Disappointed in Youkai Watch

I don't see how this is breaking immersion any more than chasing a gigantic, rolling egg throughout Gridania.

Even if Youkai Watch isn't part of the FF Universe yet, it will be soon.

I'm sure they will find a way through quests and dialogue to add these characters and items into the Final Fantasy world and lore.

I very much doubt they will simply appear out of thin air with no explanation.
If someone is interested in lore, I think they should read the dialogue of the quests to understand why these weapons and minions appeared in the game.

When the Valentine's Day event was held, I don't think people complained the Valentine's Day (named Valentione's Day or something like that) wasn't part of the FF Universive. But it became a part of it.

The same is true for many seasonable events. Take the New Year's event and Easter event as another example.
Keep in mind that Japanese do not celebrate Easter, and really know nothing about it, yet there was an Easter Event with eggs and stuff.

Youkai watch is very popular in Japan. Many people are very excited about it.

Events are not meant to be faithful is game's lore. They are just events. Something to break the monotony of the game. In all MMORPGs Events are usually like that. Here at least they are trying to fit them in the game with little Quests and cutscenes.

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Originally Posted by KeluBehemoth

I don't understand what you're not understanding. I am not being salty. I am not being a hater It just simply is not fan service.

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Your ignorant, arrogant and childish about this and that is why so many people are against you here.

You are aware that there is NO lore/logic connection that would link FFXIV with previous Final Fantasy games? They had to explain the collaborations with FFXI and FFXIII with "Oh, some spell transported me into this world that I dont know at all!" because all FF-worlds exist seperatly from each other. So they're absolute free to add new stuff to each game if they want - and if thats "inspired" by something else, so what?
You're pretty narrow minded and childish - games, and especially Final Fantasy arent one, definitive concept that stays the same way for all enternity. Or else we would still have only 6 classes and jobs (DRK?! MCN?! TOTALLY lore-breaking! Any TRUE fan would know they werent in the original FF!!!!)

Beside: this might be fan service thats not directed towards you - cool, bikinis arent directed towards me, so what? - but please keep in mind that those companies have to earn money in order to develop new games. And if they do that by throwing us a bone, even giving us an enourmos amount of content (13 pets, weapons and one (or two?) mounts!) and not hurting us at all - because no, your "immersion" isnt hurting because they added something new to a game - then please, go for it


...and now please tell me, OP, that you're 14 and that you have plans to grow up...

So you only care because there's physical items tied to the event? Because there's a ton of allusions to other, non Final Fantasy games in FFXIV. Too many to count, in fact.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/F..._XIV/Allusions

Some of them do have actual items too. Why aren't you upset that the Valerian Gear is from Tactics Ogre? Or that the DRK AF set is inspired from Berserk? Just because there's no event to go with it?

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Originally Posted by KeluBehemoth

I understand people saying "Don't take part" and "Its not a big deal" but it really is a big deal. How long until we start seeing more crap like this? The ONLY reason that this is in the game is because Yoshi is good buds with Akihiro Hina (CEO and President of Youkai Watch).

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Where have you been? They already made a flying tortoise and have plans to make tank mounts (read: this includes a bear) flying. They've stopped caring for immersion and a FF-esq setting a while back now.

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Originally Posted by Ashelia_Ferron

Some of them do have actual items too. Why aren't you upset that the Valerian Gear is from Tactics Ogre? Or that the DRK AF set is inspired from Berserk? Just because there's no event to go with it?

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As I've said before, there's a line between what people feel is acceptable or not. Something like Valerian gear can exist within a setting like this. Having non-allagan futuristic blasters or an Irish dwarf does not. Likewise with the ability to glamour gear, I wouldn't mind so much people glamouring bikinis ion the sense the bikinis can reasonably exist in the game setting. Not so much when you can glamour into a storm trooper or futuristic armor that clearly doesn't look allagan. My threshold was already pressed with the flying tortoise in consideration that there are already tortoises in the open world that possess no ability to even breathe fire.

Why are some of you trying to invalidate the OP's opinion? You call him a troll yet can't post anything but meme's and a sarcastic comment for likes.

'It's not your game' oh really? By that logic, nobody should complain about anything in FFXIV because 'it's not our game'. If you don't agree with him then simply say you don't agree instead of being rude and acting like his opinion means nothing just because you don't like it. I'm tired of seeing people try to undermine people's opinions on the Forums.

This isn't aimed at everyone. If you have a valid argument that's completely different.

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Originally Posted by WinterLuna

Why are some of you trying to invalidate the OP's opinion? You call him a troll yet can't post anything but meme's and a sarcastic comment for likes.

This isn't aimed at everyone. If you have a valid argument that's completely different.

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You should actually read the thread. People have posted a vast amount of replies explaining such things. People have explained the reality of an ever evolving lore and how this event and the items contained can be added to it through how the dialogue and quests are written, explained that we have had past events which also are not FF related, given a lot of cases where 'immersion' isn't something the OP can hide behind unless has been walking around with their eyes shut 24/7 since started playing even when take into account how subjective it can be. The fact the OP implied if do not agree with him/her about this then your not a true FF fan is icing on the already baked cake as far as the OP's opinion on the subject is concerned.

I mean, personally I think it's stupid, but eh.

I also don't really understand the decision... as I really don't think Yokai Watch is remotely popular with the majority of players. YW is a (young) children's anime and game. It really doesn't have that many fans over elementary school age (and I say this as someone who lives and works in Japan). Even among adult anime fans, YW is not popular. So... in that sense I don't get it.

And I do understand OP's feelings about it being immersion breaking. Sure, you can claim the other "silly" stuff in the game does the same thing, but it really doesn't. An established, famous brand suddenly appearing is not the same as seeing someone dressed in a random silly outfit. I mean, wouldn't you feel it was immersion breaking if McDonalds themed stuff was put in the game?

If you don't have a problem with it that's fine, but I don't think OP's feelings are unreasonable.

Meh. They already had the dragon quest one that has nothing to do with FF, too.

Japanese games do crossover things all the time. Nothing new. Actually they did one with PSO2 also.

This probably won't be the last time.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

You should actually read the thread.

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You should actually read my post, which said I wasn't speaking to everyone.

How can you be disappointed in something that hasn't released yet?

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Originally Posted by seida

I mean, wouldn't you feel it was immersion breaking if McDonalds themed stuff was put in the game?

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No. Who is to say that a culinary NPC in this game could not come up with a new meal called a burger (made from pre-existing in game ingredients) and that NPC's family name just happens to be McDonald. It doesn't break immersion because it is possible within the setting and so are these items from this event. SE could easily write such in to the lore and lore itself is always evolving so this event merely forms part of that lore.

Themed weapons...already have such things in this world, themed minions...already have such things, weird mounts...also had such for a long time prior to this event and this is just the latest weird mount. As for the quests they just need to be written within the confines of what could/might exist within the in game world. The anniversary event was more immersion breaking than this by a million miles when you were teleported to the offices of the developers, talking to them about the game and seeing concept art posters for it on the walls plus a developer riding a fake unicorn while playing the game itself on an in game tv screen.

The immersion excuse is a subjective one which holds very little if any water because of how subjective it is but given past events and how much content in this game already could fall into that category, it is a bit late to decide that is not part of what forms this game. If anything the OP is breaking their own immersion by applying real world perspective on what is essentially a character that has no knowledge of our world. From an in game character perspective none of what is being done with this event is impossible. Hell, before our character got off the dang chocobo cart at the start of the game the character probably thought a giant talking crystal was impossible and same with a million other things that has happened to that character.

The OP says if do not agree with her then we are not real FF fans, I could quite easily turn around and say if you are against this event you are not a true FF14 fan because these events are part of the makeup of this game's development and has been for quite some time. I assume the OP would also consider chat between players which often is not game related or in keeping with the ideology of the Warrior of Light and/or events surrounding his/her story is immersion breaking too but I am betting she/her just ignores such chat and likewise the OP should just ignore this event if it is not his/her cup of tea.

I think so many people in this thread are misunderstanding the OP's point. He is arguing that the Yokai Watch event is going to ruin his visual perception and appearance of the FFXIV game. The addition of these Yokai Watch event rewards will be adding very cartoonie looking items and mount. The argument that Adamantoise spins around during flight, Fenrir gliding on ice, Lightning Returns, or fighting a boss in a bikini glamour is not really relevant to the OP's comparison. While these may be silly, they still have the "Final Fantasy XIV look" attached to them. That is his point. They do not have the bright colored, flashy anime style appearance nor do they appear to be cel-shaded. Yokai Watch on the other hand, does. Although FFXIV has its fair share of comical themes in some parts of the game, It keeps a "serious" look to the game. Yokai Watch will be adding quite a large number of cartoon aesthetics. And I think that is what is going to ruin his immersion with FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

No.

Who is to say that a culinary NPC in this game could not come up with a new meal called a burger (made from pre-existing in game ingredients) and that NPC's family name just happens to be McDonald.

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...and it would then have nothing to do with McDonalds the company, congrats. What if they set up McDonalds restaurants, just how they look in real life, and put one in each major city so you'd have to pass it every time you teleported there. How about that? Or do you really have no limits and think ANYTHING is ok?

Obviously, people have different ideas about what they consider breaks immersion. So I think it's ridiculous for you to tell people "well THIS SHOULD break your immersion." Because what do you know about them? For me, the aniversary event was a cool nod to the game and its developers, it also took place AWAY from the main game and disappeared completely once the event was over. Weird mounts and clothes, I have no problem with.

For me, I don't really like the YW collab because I don't think it meshes well and it stands out weirdly. YW = elementary school kids to me, sorry. Probably if the monsters had a different style of design it would be ok for me, but I don't think they fit in.

You don't know that Youkai Watch doesn't take place on a different island.

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Originally Posted by Lufir

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A lot of minions in this game are cartoony looking, there are already cartoony looking mounts like the my little pony style mounts and spinning flying turtles plus others, there is already cartoony/cutesy style weapons in this game too. If the OP does not like the look of such things that's fine, it's just her subjective opinion but just because she does not doesn't mean everyone else should be forced to do without.

You claim SE should keep a serious look to the game? Guess you haven't seen all the little piggy dressed people running around, even one of my own characters runs around with a piggy outfit combined with a chocobo head which I am perfectly happy to switch to the poi poi hat which looks as silly if not more silly than the stuff in this upcoming event.

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Originally Posted by seida

For me, I don't really like the YW collab because I don't think it meshes well and it stands out weirdly. YW = elementary school kids to me, sorry. Probably if the monsters had a different style of design it would be ok for me, but I don't think they fit in.

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Good for you but your subjective opinion on what you think looks good doesn't mean much. Why should everyone else lose out on what they are okay with just because you or the OP doesn't like the appearance of these completely optional items? I do not think your character name fits my perception of what a WoL would be named, should you be forced to change it to something that suits my tastes too? You want SE to cater to only your tastes? Well to bad, that's not going to happen.

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Originally Posted by seida

And I do understand OP's feelings about it being immersion breaking. Sure, you can claim the other "silly" stuff in the game does the same thing, but it really doesn't. An established, famous brand suddenly appearing is not the same as seeing someone dressed in a random silly outfit. I mean, wouldn't you feel it was immersion breaking if McDonalds themed stuff was put in the game?

If you don't have a problem with it that's fine, but I don't think OP's feelings are unreasonable.

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Yea oddly enough, it would be almost the exact same thing as having Grimace as a mount, or seeing the golden arches in Ul'dah/Limsa/Gridania

I'd be tempted to do this event (despite not wanting the minions/weapons) if only for all the FATE exp but since I have everything at 60 it's hard to justify it. If my friends want to do the FATE grind I'll probably go with them.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

Good for you but your subjective opinion on what you think looks good doesn't mean much. Why should everyone else lose out on what they are okay with just because you or the OP doesn't like the appearance of these completely optional items? I do not think your character name fits my perception of what a WoL would be named, should you be forced to change it to something that suits my tastes too?

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Well spotted - your subjective opinion doesn't mean much either! And please tell me where I said they should cancel it or take it out so other people ~lose out~? I didn't! I was just expressing my subjective opinion (that I don't like it) as you are.

Also, "lose out on what they are okay with" - doesn't sound like much of a loss if it's only something people are "okay with" to be honest.

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Originally Posted by Xlantaa

The only thing that dissapointed me is the community of this forum, always complaining about everything when something doesn't like them. Not only dislike the event, also dislike if other people who enjoy it take part.

Almost everyone in this forums seems hate the entire game, always believing they can do better job than devs . If you don't like the game or how devs make things, why you continue paying&playing?

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This....so much this....I was actually excited for this event and I liked PotD but gosh....you can't even like anything hardly. I usually only come and look at the crafting/gathering threads b/c stuff like this wears me out.

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Originally Posted by panderin

This....so much this....I was actually excited for this event and I liked PotD but gosh....you can't even like anything hardly. I usually only come and look at the crafting/gathering threads b/c stuff like this wears me out.

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This is the forums, what do you expect? People are allowed to dislike things, geez. There's plenty of other threads praising SE and the community.

Praising? You get burned at the stake if you dare to like something.

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Originally Posted by Xlantaa

The only thing that dissapointed me is the community of this forum, always complaining about everything when something doesn't like them. Not only dislike the event, also dislike if other people who enjoy it take part.

I remember people beating bahamut in nude glamor, or Snowman glamour. So, what's the difference? I personally like this kind of stuff.

Almost everyone in this forums seems hate the entire game, always believing they can do better job than devs . If you don't like the game or how devs make things, why you continue paying&playing?

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On the other hand, I'm a bit irritated by people who happen to like the content, but feel the need to put down people who don't like it. Having opinions is fine, and understanding why it's the case is also important (within reason, anyway).

Here's a thought, though; neither side seems to be the minority or majority. There's topics for both perspectives but it always seems like the negative ones are the ones that go on for longer discussions, for better or worse. That at the very least should be an indicator of the player reception and community interaction within the OF.

It's an event not tied to anything in Eorzea...it's not gonna affect your immerson jeeze you really can't please anyone in this game so whiney and entitled.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Praising? You get burned at the stake if you dare to like something.

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I've made multiple threads of praise myself, there's a Mentor appreciation thread on the first page right now along with some PotD praises somewhere. If people want to ignore those and only focus on the negative, that's fine, but as I said, people are actually allowed to dislike something.

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Originally Posted by seida

I also don't really understand the decision... as I really don't think Yokai Watch is remotely popular with the majority of players. YW is a (young) children's anime and game. It really doesn't have that many fans over elementary school age (and I say this as someone who lives and works in Japan). Even among adult anime fans, YW is not popular. So... in that sense I don't get it.

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While I already stated that I find the mount really ugly and lore-breaking, Youkai Watch is pretty popular in Japan. If only JP datacenter got this event we would have the GD english forums spammed with threads saying about how wrong that is. And the majority of the playerbase is japanese.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

I am not a fan of the series, but I can understand why SE wants to promote this game in FFXIV:

- Yokai Watch is very popular in Japan, so popular that their merchandise outsold those of Pokemon in 2014 and 2015.
- Just like most toys/tv shows etc made for children (Pokemon, Digimon, My Little Pony), they have a huge adult following.
- Yokai Watch is not popular in the NA/EU/AUS region, so by promoting this game via FFXIV, they might reach those Pokemon, Digimon fans who want to try something else.
- FFXIV was promoted via a Yokai Watch game last year or was it 2014, it was in of those years. The chocobo and moogles are also present in their latest game.
- Level 5, the company that develops the Yokai Watch games, creates the Dragon Quest games for Square Enix.
- Yoshida is friends with creator (I think he was the creator) of Yokai Watch.

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So yeah, I don't really see a problem with the event, but I do fear that in the future we can get more and more stuff like that and end up like, idk, Tera.

So this is where the rest of 3.3 content went too, I wondered why it was so lacking. 2 months of fate grind.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

The OP says if do not agree with her then we are not real FF fans, I could quite easily turn around and say if you are against this event you are not a true FF14 fan because these events are part of the makeup of this game's development and has been for quite some time. I assume the OP would also consider chat between players which often is not game related or in keeping with the ideology of the Warrior of Light and/or events surrounding his/her story is immersion breaking too but I am betting she/her just ignores such chat and likewise the OP should just ignore this event if it is not his/her cup of tea.

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You make a lot of assumptions.

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Originally Posted by WinterLuna

Why are some of you trying to invalidate the OP's opinion? You call him a troll yet can't post anything but meme's and a sarcastic comment for likes.

'It's not your game' oh really? By that logic, nobody should complain about anything in FFXIV because 'it's not our game'. If you don't agree with him then simply say you don't agree instead of being rude and acting like his opinion means nothing just because you don't like it. I'm tired of seeing people try to undermine people's opinions on the Forums.

This isn't aimed at everyone. If you have a valid argument that's completely different.

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I have given this a bit of a thought and would like to share those with you now.

My problem with the OP isnt their opinion, really. I can even understand that some might not like the style and design of the Yokai-items since they're pretty... "special". My problem is really the reasoning they choose and their childish attitude that came with it. Lore? Immersion? By this standards OP couldnt be an Au Ra Dragoon -> Au Ra, because that would conflict with Yugiri hiding her face in FFXIVs very own storyline and dragoon because they're dragonKILLERS in FFXIV while they were friends with the dragons in FFII (where they come from, hello Richard!). The problem here is that OP themself doesnt have a valid argument! "Lore" is such a cheap one, honestly, when there are so many things in this game already that have the potenial to break your immersion (Twintania as a mount, yeah, sure...).
So the question would be: Why does OP doesnt have a problem with those?
And my guess would be: Because they accepted them as part of the game, overlooked them or didnt even thought about them at all. They're raising a few times how important it is for them that things that are added to the game are Final Fantasy related. If thats really their problem, I can only ask them to give the devs the chance and option to change their game and add stuff to it. Without that we would never see any progress (the famour quote from Henry Ford (?) comes to mind: "If I'd asked the customer what they wanted, I would have build a faster horse-drawn carriage [not a car]").

I also have the feeling that OP is a bit... overreacting and hasty with their judgment - seeing how the merchant we can exchange our medals is located in the Gold Saucer, why not assume that its somehow related to the Gold Saucer in general? Which would open the doors for a lot of "explanation" for those fluffy little guys.

And I kinda feel the need to repeat this: Such collabs - even if you consider them "cheap fanservice" (and apparently not fanservice that you like, thats okay, I didnt liked the FFXI-event nor the rewards) - are only beneficial for a game that you seem to love and care about.
For the theory that 3.3 was shorter because they spended time with making the Yokai-event... I highly doubt it. They added a LOT with 3.3/3.35 but we're at the end of this patch cylce and they're probably working at the next expansion

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Originally Posted by Vidu

I have given this a bit of a thought and would like to share those with you now.

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You actually took the time to argue the OP's reasoning though, and didn't just post a meme and a sarcastic comment. That's what I have a problem with. People will come on here and try to invalidate other people without a solid argument, or try to humiliate them for likes, and I think that's wrong.

If people can provide good reasons to argue, I wasn't speaking about those people. Please don't take it the wrong way :)

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Originally Posted by DE-Roxas

Im only dissapointed that its atma reloaded, again.
Immersion, lol and your tank running through a dungeon in a bikini isnt?

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YoshiP said casters can't wear armor because they have to look like casters, and casters wouldn't look like casters if they were wearing armor. So, he definitely cares about immersion. But snowman / reindeer / moogle / bikini / maid outfit tanks are lore-friendly.

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Originally Posted by NovaLevossida

YoshiP said casters can't wear armor because they have to look like casters, and casters wouldn't look like casters if they were wearing armor. So, he definitely cares about immersion. But snowman / reindeer / moogle / bikini / maid outfit tanks are lore-friendly.

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Maybe YOUR casters can't wear armour, but my Dated Haubergeon begs to differ.

Also I'm damn sure at least half the people complaining about "MY IMMMERRRRSSSIIOOOONNN" would be all fine and dandy if this was a Pokemon event. Because for those who don't follow other games, Yokai Watch is basically Pokemon but new and improved. Also makes me chuckle when people assume Yokai Watch is just a kids' show; it's got its' own kids show based on the game, same as Pokemon.

Also like other said, you get rid of the crazy glowy unrealistic weapons, tankinis, and characters dressed up as Minfilia and Nanamo and then we can talk immersion.

Don't like it's addition myself, it's advertisement content put in place because Pokémon Go is creaming the market.

I'm sorry but I disagree, it doesn't matter if it's here or if it's in another game. Immersion breaks will always be a thing and I personally have yet to find and play a single MMO where something in the game exists that doesn't break immersion for someone. It's fine though and as long as people are enjoying whatever it is then who am I to pass judgment on the mount, glamor, or whatever it is they find fun. It's totally okay to break away from the seriousness for a little to just have some silly fun. Of all the things to complain about in any game immersion breaks are far low on my list.

As for the Call of Duty thing....you'd be surprised. When World of Warships did their April Fools event and released a map that was a bathtub and players were driving toy boats. Players raved about it and wanted the map to stay in it year round I remember my friend telling me.

It's okay to have a sense of humor and it's okay to let other players enjoy something and be happy even if it's not something you enjoy.

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Originally Posted by NovaLevossida

YoshiP said casters can't wear armor because they have to look like casters, and casters wouldn't look like casters if they were wearing armor. So, he definitely cares about immersion. But snowman / reindeer / moogle / bikini / maid outfit tanks are lore-friendly.

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Thats two different things though - all those "funny" outfits arent to be taken serious (Surprise!) and thats what makes them okay - they're not really supposed to be lore-friendly, they are their so we can put on a silly costume (or use it for RP-reasons, if you're into that etc.).
"Real" armor on the other hand IS connected to lore and therefor they're sticking to that. Look how your casters CAN wear a certain piece of armor thats more... mmh... knight-like - I'm talking about the veterans rewards ofc, Firions armor. Its a costume and thats pretty clear and thats why casters can wear it.

Might be only me but I feel like the devs are totally allowed to break they're lore-rules from time to time and throw a bit of fun into this game - if they didnt do that we wouldnt see Au Ra as playable races, no male Miqos, a duskwit elezen wouldnt have much fun etc. etc. As long as its limited to only certain items that are clearly marked as "fun"-item (aka being level 1, can be worn by every class/job, having no real stats) or events like this, that are limited to a certain time, I dont see anything wrong with this. Ofc they shouldnt overdo this! But thinking how in three years the only other event that wasnt tied to another FF-game was Dragon Quest (or am I forgetting something...?) I wouldnt say there is a huge risk here...

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Originally Posted by Vials

Don't like it's addition myself, it's advertisement content put in place because Pokémon Go is creaming the market.

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To be fair, data miners found traces of Yokai-Watch minions in FF14 code quite a while back, so it's obvious something related has been in planning for a good bit. Pokémon Go's recent success has nothing to do with it. Just a concidence.

I'm still waiting for my apology from the OP for this thread. Possibly one of the worst threads created this year.

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Originally Posted by WinterLuna

You actually took the time to argue the OP's reasoning though, and didn't just post a meme and a sarcastic comment. That's what I have a problem with. People will come on here and try to invalidate other people without a solid argument, or try to humiliate them for likes, and I think that's wrong.

If people can provide good reasons to argue, I wasn't speaking about those people. Please don't take it the wrong way :)

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Id usually agree with you because I believe In the point you're making in its broader sense. But not here. This thread just drives too far off into the ridiculous to argue by case for it.