Wada and SE looking into discount. What price is acceptable?

$12, plus $3 per extra character slot sounds fantastic to me.

I've seen some good suggestions in this thread. Personally I'm one of the people that would have paid full price regardless, but if them charging a smaller fee will get more people to stick with the game then obviously it's to their advantage.

The gradual increase per patch seems reasonable. I also like the idea of the price being in line with a round number for crysta ($5 or $10). Personally I feel a fair discounted price is between $8-$10.

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Originally Posted by Fensfield

Maybe a 25% global price cut? I think I'd start to feel a bit awkward, for my part, if it got very close to 50%, or indeed lower than that.

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$12.25 = 25% reduction (still full price minus the archaic and moronic character fee)

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Honestly, to me? 10% sounds perfectly reasonable, but I doubt many would see it my way.

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$13.50 = 10% reduction (still full price)

Please be aware of what you're saying. I feel like you just threw out random percentages to make it sound like a solid point.

6-7 dollars is still a great point to get people who are still extremely cautious about the game and it shows SE can COMPROMISE with the community by saying "we know we screwed up, we do need your support though."

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Originally Posted by Tibian

$12.25 = 25% reduction (still full price minus the archaic and moronic character fee)

$13.50 = 10% reduction (still full price)

Please be aware of what you're saying. I feel like you just threw out random percentages to make it sound like a solid point.

6-7 dollars is still a great point to get people who are still extremely cautious about the game and it shows SE can COMPROMISE with the community by saying "we know we screwed up, we do need your support though."

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Uuh...

One point. Global price cut. Why would I put the word 'global' if I weren't factoring in the character fees and so forth? Well, I suppose I could have been talking about the prices worldwide, but, what does that have to do with anything?

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Originally Posted by Fensfield

Maybe a 25% global price cut?

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See? Global.

Here, it's very simple, let me try to reiterate:

I, personally, feel that while I would be perfectly happy paying full price, I would feel a discount on the total amount of money I would normally have to pay monthly to play this game of 10-25% would be reasonable. I would also feel that discounts nearer to 50% would be a little bit much.

There. See? Or how about this?

I feel it would be appropriate to pay about a quarter less than the full subscription price, were a discount to be given. I also feel that halving the overall amount of money we would normally pay is a bit much.

Now, on the other hand if you were arguing that the amounts I suggested were invalid because.. they don't exceed the amount I'd gain from their simply waiving character fees? Well, that's your lookout, I just gave you what you wanted: my opinion on the size of the discount with which I'd be comfortable.

For goodness' sake, by your apparent logic, I could argue that to me, it looks like you jumped on a post because you perceived a semantic weakness that you could use to clumsily railroad the discussion back to your own point, then used your little attack on me with its insinuations about why I posted what I did to make your own opinion look better when you suddenly reiterated it immediately after.

Anyway, whatever. Requested opinion given, sorry if it still doesn't match up to your standards. This isn't a subject I'm particularly bothered about so..yeah. Have fun.

Honestly, I don't really care about a price cut or not. I just wish they'd stop charging $3 for each extra character. Of course, I wouldn't mind a discount to the monthly fee if they were offering. :p

I can pay half for a half done game and not feel ripped off. That would work for me, for now.

$6 or $7 is a fair and understandable cost. Servers cost money to run. Programers gotta eat too. But its enough of a discount that it shows that they are understanding to the still limited nature of the game. Especially at a time when there are a number of other games out or about to be released we could play instead.

I don't feel SE owes us anything, they've given so much, and have more in store with 2.0. I'm very thankful to SE, and appreciate the hard work.
I feel the game will be where it should have been at launch by 1.21 or so. I'm willing to pay without discount.

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Originally Posted by Raagnar

I would like them to change the billing per character as well, some of us like having more then 1 and getting billed an extra $3 is a bit much.

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I'm still waiting on a community rep response about this. I have extra characters, and I don't want to have to pick and choose which to play each month, and deactivate half of them.
I would be perfectly happy(and able to pay) if they were $1 each like XI.
I feel that paying for retainers is a bit much also. I don't know any other game that made you pay monthly for storage space. I know space is an issue now... but what about on the new servers? Will inventory space be an issue then? Will we still have to pay for retainers then? We didn't have to pay for storage in XI, and we had plenty of space.

With this it's not so much that I don't want to pay, but I simply cannot afford to pay $40+ a month.

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Originally Posted by ChiefCurrahee

Asking for less now will only create more problems in the future when they ask for more.

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Originally Posted by AmyRae

Actually, that's wrong. Gradual price increases are easier to accept than giant ones, especially when we're dealing with a product that has some serious defects in it that won't be fixed for at least a year. If they're upfront about what they want to charge for 2.0, people can make a responsible decision.

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^ Well said, AmyRae.

I just don't see how a discount, as opposed to full price, could make any of the playerbase disgruntled.

Half price of their normal asking price and no charge for retainers all the way til FFXIV 2,0 is fair, my reasoning is sure they will add more content but no matter what patch comes out before FFXIV 2.0 it won't fix the server lag and graphics engine.

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Originally Posted by Tibian

$13.50 = 10% reduction (still full price)

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How can a 10% reduction in price be greater than the original price of $12.95?

Anyway, if they offer a discount this low, they might is well just go full price, $1.29 is not gonna make or break the deal.

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Originally Posted by Tibian

I am a bit surprised that this thread hasn't been made.

The producer LIVE letter introduced Wada at the very end. He stated that SE is looking into pricing discounts to ensure they get the most out of player subscriptions until 2.0.

Several people on the forums, including myself, have publicly stated that because the game is "50% to launch ready," that we would pay 6-7 dollars to support the game. I find this a fair an acceptable discount.

SE has been doing very well at listening to our concerns and suggestions, and I feel this is an appropriate time to officially tell SE what we'd like to see in a discount for subscriptions.

My take: 6-7 dollars. They can even increase the amount by 1 dollar at patches and I think it would be a fair compromise. I'd be willing to support them this way.

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I take umbrage with increasing the price with every patch because they can't promise that every patch will actually push the game further to being 100% "complete (read as ready for retail/ready to compete in the MMO world). In *theory* they're supposed to but... theory and practice are often two very different things.

However, for me and a number of my friends who have decided to wait until 2.0 if a discount isn't given, it's -50% or nothing.
In simpler terms... The discount *needs* to be something substantial. If it is -1$, -2$ or -3$ then that's bogus and I'm not paying. The discount has to be at least -50% (12.99/2=6.495...so 6.50$, without charging for retainers).
5.00-6.50$ is a reasonable price for a game that is 50% complete.

That being said, thanks for OP for starting this thread and his input.
These were my two cents. Whether people agree with me or not is irrelevant, I'm just stating my opinion- not trying to start an argument via forums.

Although, I think there is one thing all of us can agree on and that is the hope that Wada releases a decision on the discount price ASAP so that this matter is finally put to rest once and for all.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

I think $5.00/month sounds reasonable. It's a nice round number that most people wouldn't have a problem with.

If they're firm on the stance that they must start up subscriptions at this point, I'm overjoyed that they're considering a discount. As I've stated in other threads, my husband is fighting me on paying until 2.0.

And it's not because we're cheap. We drop money on video games all the time. We both have active WoW accounts (in fact, he has two so he can dual box), and I have an active Aion account. Right now he's playing offline games such as minecraft, Sim City and Batman: Arkham City.

It all comes down to a matter of principle. My husband is a business owner, and firmly believes that dissatisfaction should be expressed with your wallet. For that reason, he will never ever give NCSoft another dime of his money (Aion burned him pretty bad). And he does not believe that FFXIV is a product that is worth $12.99/month.

Again, it's not that we can't afford it, it's like someone said in another thread... it's like betraying your own sense of responsibility.

But if I can say to him, "It's only five bucks a month," I think he might concede.

There are a lot of players who still don't trust SE. Their plans for the future are still that, just plans. And to ask full price right now threatens to break that fragile trust and alienate players.

Isn't it better to compromise and keep more players, than be unbending and turn people away?

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You hit the nail on the head madam.

A lot of players, and long time fans of FF, feel very betrayed by SE.

It's true that they have regained some of that lost trust but the amount that they were able to obtain is marginal to what it once was. It is very fragile right now and something like a full sub for FFXIV as it is now will turn many people away. People who are burned fans but also potential new fans.

Like I said, I can justify 5$ a month, fairly easily. When my older sis heard that subs would start again for FFXIV she was done with the game. I was the one who said "If they give us -50% off, I'll stay. I want to see where this game will go. For roughly 5$ I can do that."
That magic number five turned her around and she's willing to pay 5$ or -50% until 2.0.

Moreover.... That 5$ by itself will not do much but when joined together with the 5$ of several thousand other players it starts being something. It is a voice of support and a symbol that SE is slowly starting to earn back the trust that it single-handily destroyed.

The messages/concepts need to be made very clear to SE.
*We want quality not quantity.
*We want the lines of communication to remain open.
*Respect your fans, without them SE would have gone under in 1987.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

^ Well said, AmyRae.

I just don't see how a discount, as opposed to full price, could make any of the playerbase disgruntled.

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Again discounts shouldn't extend to month to month players. If you buy 3 months of service maybe you receive a 10% discount, If you buy 6 months a 15% discount. If you buy a year 30% discount. (Im just throwing it examples out there).

If you offer something at a great discount, even with gradual price hikes the perceived value goes down. It's no longer a "deal"

If you offer a product or service at different price points for varying lengths of time the "deal" remains through the life time of the product.

just crunch numbers here for a min.
If the monthly price point is 12.99 then:
month to month = 155.88 a year.
3 month billing (12.99 - 10%) = 11.70 month x3 = 35.10 x4 = $140.40 a year
6 month billing (12.99 -15%) = 11.05 month X6 = 66.30 x2 = $132.60 a year
12 month billing (12.99 -30%) = 9.10 month X12 = $109.20 a year
(i'm not sure when the discount is taken off is it the month to month cost or the total cost of the package either way the number are close)

This places the benefited discount on players who buy into the game who actually want to support it.

Even @ 12.99 FFXIV charges less than other month to month MMO's which is standard 14.99


If you start billing FFXIV @ 9.99 a month for the first 3 months then 10.99 for the next 3 then 11.99 then 12.99 at some point the value of "deal" disappears. Keep the price standard and offer discounts to bulk purchasing to create the perceived "deal"

I have $100 in crysta from FFXIV launch I'm spending the on this game regardless, It's not like i'm missing that money right now.

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Originally Posted by ChiefCurrahee

SE already stated a year ago that when they have a roadmap and plan of future development of FFXIV and that when game meets what they feel should have launched with they would bring back subs. Guess what that tiem is upon us and look how people react.

It seems that a lot of people think that a tuesday in December 2012 they will be playing current FFXIV then on wednesday they will be playing a whole new game. One which they will be willing to pay full price for. You are all kidding yourselves.
If SE reduces the sub across the board until ver. 2.0 comes out people will be so used to paying that reduced fee that a price increase will make players see red.

Telling them ahead of time "From December 2011 - December 2012 FFXIV sub fees will be priced @ $5-7 a month, the first billing cycle of 2013 FFXIV sub fee will then increase to $10-14 a month" Will not work.

Reduced rates should only be offered when purchasing Crysta in bulk $30-$60 at a time, or when subscribing for 3-6 month blocks. All month to month subs should be full price. This model is substainable throughout the lifetime of FFXIV service, and is a standard in MMO pricing.

Asking for less now will only create more problems in the future when they ask for more.

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Hardly my friend.

Anyone with a brain will understand that the discount price is temporary and that it will last until 2.0.
Furthermore, it's downright stupid to think that we will see this issue arise because of the reason it's happening now.

You're right, a year ago SE said that when the game meets certain requirements they will begin to charge. However, you're not looking at all the facts.

1. A year ago FFXIV came out and did something amazing! It sucked and blew at the same time. It burned its customers and fans and it became the laughing stock of the gaming community.

2. A year later the fans are still pretty burned, the game is a little better but is still thought of as a joke and is overall unfit for a sub fee due to some rather large, *core issues* that won't be resolved until 2.0.... such as server lag

3. The fans being fans, myself included, have felt some of their trust restored by the efforts of the new Dev team.

4. SE announces that it will start subscription fees. A lot of the fans are burned yet again but are willing to meet SE half way for a reasonably discounted(read as -50% or 5$) monthly sub fee.

Also, the biggest reason we will not see this debate come 2.0's launch is because 2.0 will make or break this game. If SE can't fix the game by 2.0 then I think they'll have to shut it down.

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Originally Posted by Anapingofness

Anyone with a brain will understand that the discount price is temporary and that it will last until 2.0.

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That's not all that common in these parts. You and I both know that people will start spouting their verbal diarrhea about how the uncertainty of what 2.0 offers won't let them pay. Or that they could put in a cash store for ingame items, blah, blah. People will never be happy, just as now, when people just cry about every feature that's announced. It's not about principle, as people claim, it's about being downright cheap.

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Originally Posted by Answa

That's not all that common in these parts. You and I both know that people will start spouting their verbal diarrhea about how the uncertainty of what 2.0 offers won't let them pay. Or that they could put in a cash store for ingame items, blah, blah. People will never be happy, just as now, when people just cry about every feature that's announced. It's not about principle, as people claim, it's about being downright cheap.

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Point taken about the brain bit my good Sir.

However, about the majority of the rest I respectfully disagree.

While it is true you can't make everyone happy you can make a good number of people happy. That part is very important especially if the success of your business depends on people being happy and buying your product.

Personally, I think has a bit to do with the principle of the matter but I think a more accurate statement is that it's about being able to comfortably place one's faith into SE again. I'm one of those people who is uncertain about SE's ability to deliver come 2.0, I felt really betrayed and disappointed by SE with not only FFXIV but FFXIII.

However, that's me and the lot of us have had different experiences so it's natural for us to disagree.
Come 2.0... I do expect some verbal diarrhea but not nearly as big of an uproar as we're facing now. I think when the time comes people won't have much room to talk.

Ah but seriously, I'll end this part of the discussion here. I don't want to derail the subject anymore than I already have, I just wanted to say that you did make some valid points although I do disagree with some of them.

I was resigned to pay full price, just on the basis that I wanted to enjoy the Seventh Umbral Storyline.

To hear that there was a discount in the works is welcome news. However, given my previous position on it, I don't feel as if I'm in the best position to suggest a price.

I was willing to pay full. I'm glad for the discount. If SE is trying to appeal to the players who decided against it because of the cost, or those who were on the fence, then it should be them to make the suggestion as to what they deem would be acceptable, and hope that the billing group can accommodate as best they can.

They have me regardless. The ball's in their court now. I hope it's something reasonable for both parties.

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Originally Posted by Answa

That's not all that common in these parts. You and I both know that people will start spouting their verbal diarrhea about how the uncertainty of what 2.0 offers won't let them pay. Or that they could put in a cash store for ingame items, blah, blah. People will never be happy, just as now, when people just cry about every feature that's announced. It's not about principle, as people claim, it's about being downright cheap.

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my magic 8 ball said 'you dont know wtf you talking about.'

For all that is good... were getting a discount... why must we continue to beat this dead horse further, when SE WANTS/NEEDS to do a Discount. now your going to tell them what they should put it down for?.... You guys just don't give up... mine as well rename is Thread too...

" WERE GOING ON STRIKE SE TILL WE MAKE SURE ITS GOING DOWN TO 5-6 BUCKS" >.>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNRjYZGwibw

The way I see it, if you like to play FFXIV as it is now, you're playing a good chunk of hours a week in it, play with friends or online mates, then the game is worth the $12.99 / month.

It is providing you with a past-time that you are enjoying.

edit: It's like a movie you watch in the theatre, maybe you watch it in 3D, you pay $13~16 for a 2 hour movie. And for those of you that boot legged the movie, you shouldn't be asking for a discount based on principle (if you want to argue on principle).

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Originally Posted by Fiosha_Maureiba

The way I see it, if you like to play FFXIV as it is now, you're playing a good chunk of hours a week in it, play with friends or online mates, then the game is worth the $12.99 / month.

It is providing you with a past-time that you are enjoying.

edit: It's like a movie you watch in the theatre, maybe you watch it in 3D, you pay $13~16 for a 2 hour movie. And for those of you that boot legged the movie, you shouldn't be asking for a discount based on principle (if you want to argue on principle).

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way i see it all my friends don't enjoy it and the game is still 50% done just like yoshi said. so i vote to charge people with idiotic opinions like yours full price, and let rest of us who has a opinion you don't see, pay what is fair.

its like a 3D movie except the 3D glasses they give you are missing 1 lens. sure i can see half the movie in 3D, but the other half is crap.
i guess paying 30-80 bucks for the movie is bootlegging.

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Originally Posted by irongripz

its like a 3D movie except the 3D glasses they give you are missing 1 lens. sure i can see half the movie in 3D, but the other half is crap.

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Errr... Don't you need both lenses to... nevermind... Still, I get the analogy. :)

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Originally Posted by RemVye

They should charge $30 per month. And $5 per retainer.

That will teach you all muwahahwahwawahawhah.

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No, let's get them to charge $99.99 per month for each character and $19.99 per retainer after the first.

Topic - Discounts are good, so long as they're based on bulk. $12/mo. for monthly subscription ($12 renewal cost), $9/mo. for a six-month subscription ($54 renewal cost), and $6/mo. for a year subscription ($72 renewal cost).

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Originally Posted by irongripz

way i see it all my friends don't enjoy it and the game is still 50% done just like yoshi said. so i vote to charge people with idiotic opinions like yours full price, and let rest of us who has a opinion you don't see, pay what is fair.

its like a 3D movie except the 3D glasses they give you are missing 1 lens. sure i can see half the movie in 3D, but the other half is crap.
i guess paying 30-80 bucks for the movie is bootlegging.

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tldr: It's unfortunate that you feel people who don't agree with you have idiotic opinions. I hope that you learn to approach anonymous internet-land discussions with better civility in future instances.

But you didn't come to this forum to get emotional on me. On with the show.

extended: If my 3D glasses are missing a lens and I think I'm not going to get this "experience", I'm not even going to sit through the previews, I'm going to seek reparations right away. I'm not going to watch the entire movie first with my friends, then seek a refund. Although the glasses are more like a tool to interact with the movie, much like a gamepad, mouse, or keyboard.

For those folks that have been around longer, we got twelve months free. If the game didn't interest us in the form we received it in, we shouldn't have played it for twelve months. We should've left a long time ago.

I think 8 is reasonable, though I like the suggestions of starting at a certain price and increasing a dollar per patch.

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Originally Posted by Fiosha_Maureiba

tldr: It's unfortunate that you feel people who don't agree with you have idiotic opinions. I hope that you learn to approach anonymous internet-land discussions with better civility in future instances.

But you didn't come to this forum to get emotional on me. On with the show.

extended: If my 3D glasses are missing a lens and I think I'm not going to get this "experience", I'm not even going to sit through the previews, I'm going to seek reparations right away. I'm not going to watch the entire movie first with my friends, then seek a refund. Although the glasses are more like a tool to interact with the movie, much like a gamepad, mouse, or keyboard.

For those folks that have been around longer, we got twelve months free. If the game didn't interest us in the form we received it in, we shouldn't have played it for twelve months. We should've left a long time ago.

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i wont dumb opinions should be kept to their self. not everyone has played for 12 months, only the people who was dumb enough to play the game when it was completely broke. allot of people did not even start coming back till 1.19 so your point you try to make is dumb. it was free because game is 50% done not for compensation for charging subs now. your opinion is still idiotic.

you made my point for me the game was released with one lens. you act like waiting 12 months for the other lens is compensation. and some people are still waiting for their other lens.

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Originally Posted by Alkoun

Errr... Don't you need both lenses to... nevermind... Still, I get the analogy. :)

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you needed both lenses with the old school red and blue, i guess you could compare that with this 10 year old crap engines they used for this game. but i was more so referring to the new R3D

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Originally Posted by irongripz

i wont dumb opinions should be kept to their self. not everyone has played for 12 months, only the people who was dumb enough to play the game when it was completely broke. allot of people did not even start coming back till 1.19 so your point you try to make is dumb. it was free because game is 50% done not for compensation for charging subs now. your opinion is still idiotic.

you made my point for me the game was released with one lens. you act like waiting 12 months for the other lens is compensation. and some people are still waiting for their other lens.

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TLDR: Irongripz, you don't seem to understand respect, maybe you'll mature someday or learn to be more respective of others. #1. No moogle cookies for you. #2. Here's myopinion, I would gladly pay $13 if it means that immature and disrespectful people end up not playing the game, a game that I have enjoyed and still enjoy. And if your friends are anything like you, good riddance to them too.

But since you clearly don't like reading, you will probably ignore the rest of this post, which I even separated so the wall of text doesn't crit you so hard.

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Originally Posted by irongripz

i wont dumb opinions should be kept to their self. not everyone has played for 12 months, only the people who was dumb enough to play the game when it was completely broke. allot of people did not even start coming back till 1.19 so your point you try to make is dumb. it was free because game is 50% done not for compensation for charging subs now. your opinion is still idiotic.

you made my point for me the game was released with one lens. you act like waiting 12 months for the other lens is compensation. and some people are still waiting for their other lens.

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I'm not calling you stupid or an idiot. Just because you don't understand that 3D glasses was a comparison to a gamepad, keyboard, or a mouse not the contents of the movie. The 3D glasses example serves as the cost to go with the movie. If I gave an example of, "bought a chocolate bar", but get into the theatre and discover the chocolate bar is melted, you would have rode that example down to the embers and back. I don't criticize your math, because you think bootlegging is paying $30 ~ $80, what kind of pirate pays that amount to bootleg something? (marauder quest?).

And you're using the 50% opinion thing? You do realize he said that was before 1.19 was released. You can dig it up yourself later when he goes back to clarify it.

If you're not an adult yet, I hope you learn these lessons. If you are an adult, that's pretty embarrassing.

You *think* calling opinions dumb, idiotic, or moronic seem to bring some credence to your wonderful, smart, and constructive opinion (remember, I haven't called your thought process stupid). Condescension is not effective for constructive criticism or discussion. Cynicism and sarcasm only amplify that. (guess what this post has?)

It really makes you look immature and even people who might normally agree with you on other points, are hesitant in touching your post. In the future, remove the poison laced in your posts, people will enjoy it more. But hey, we're on the internet, doing an internet argument, where we use phrases like "Aw, are you butthurt?" and "areumad". No one wins.

Doing a quick check on your forum posts, you occasionally have the troll post (quick glance at the ones here, they have some inflammatory stuff, but you do have some clear troll posts). I see that there might be no reaching you. For that reason, by the time you finish reading this and post a response, know that I will have blocked you so that I no longer have to deal with your posts.

But alas, I've burnt your moogle cookies and the aldgoat milk has been spoiled.

And for the record, I actually didn't make your point. But you're going to make mine, whether you try to, or not. No matter where you go.

Half a game = half a fee
I'd be just fine with that

eww eww i want to make a comparison too, well if wada sold us a broken vibrator it still would be a good dildo so why not pay full price ..i'm sure they cost bout the same price and it will get you to the same place too!! :)

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Originally Posted by Fiosha_Maureiba

continued... @IronGripz

I'm not calling you stupid or an idiot. Just because you don't understand that 3D glasses was a comparison to a gamepad, keyboard, or a mouse not the contents of the movie. The 3D glasses example serves as the cost to go with the movie. If I gave an example of, "bought a chocolate bar", but get into the theatre and discover the chocolate bar is melted, you would have rode that example down to the embers and back. I don't criticize your math, because you think bootlegging is paying $30 ~ $80, what kind of pirate pays that amount to bootleg something? (marauder quest?).

And you're using the 50% opinion thing? You do realize he said that was before 1.19 was released. You can dig it up yourself later when he goes back to clarify it.

If you're not an adult yet, I hope you learn these lessons. If you are an adult, that's pretty embarrassing.

You *think* calling opinions dumb, idiotic, or moronic seem to bring some credence to your wonderful, smart, and constructive opinion (remember, I haven't called your thought process stupid). Condescension is not effective for constructive criticism or discussion. Cynicism and sarcasm only amplify that. (guess what this post has?)

It really makes you look immature and even people who might normally agree with you on other points, are hesitant in touching your post. In the future, remove the poison laced in your posts, people will enjoy it more. But hey, we're on the internet, doing an internet argument, where we use phrases like "Aw, are you butthurt?" and "areumad". No one wins.

Doing a quick check on your forum posts, you occasionally have the troll post (quick glance at the ones here, they have some inflammatory stuff, but you do have some clear troll posts). I see that there might be no reaching you. For that reason, by the time you finish reading this and post a response, know that I will have blocked you so that I no longer have to deal with your posts.

But alas, I've burnt your moogle cookies and the aldgoat milk has been spoiled.

And for the record, I actually didn't make your point. But you're going to make mine, whether you try to, or not. No matter where you go.

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i never called you dumb or stupid just your opinion. i personaly dont care what people like you THINK.

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Originally Posted by weeble

eww eww i want to make a comparison too, well if wada sold us a broken vibrator it still would be a good dildo so why not pay full price ..i'm sure they cost bout the same price and it will get you to the same place too!! :)

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fiosha might want one, way it sounds its been a while, she even took my cookies /cry

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Fiosha_Maureiba;434447] I don't criticize your math, because you think bootlegging is paying $30 ~ $80, what kind of pirate pays that amount to bootleg something?

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you made a comparison... w/e sarcasm doe's not translate well to morons.

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And you're using the 50% opinion thing? You do realize he said that was before 1.19 was released. You can dig it up yourself later when he goes back to clarify it.

If you're not an adult yet, I hope you learn these lessons. If you are an adult, that's pretty embarrassing.

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this proves how idiotic your opinions are lol....

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last time at the first part of the live interview I said it was about 50% and that was day before the patch, the stance hasn’t basically changed from then.

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lets argue this some more maybe some of your troll buddies will come help you.

7USD is acceptable

I really don't see why we shouldn't just pay the full price..

This game is very playable and very enjoyable as it is at the moment.

Bundles! Bundles! Bundles!

$5.99 = 1 Character + 2 Retainers

$9.99 = 2 Characters + 4 Retainers

$14.99 = 4 Characters + 8 Retainers