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While "culture mixing" is a nice idea, id say not so much for a video game. If you want exposure to different cultures, look for such experiences in real life, they are more meaningful and rewarding. As for video games, I think its best to just keep the cultures separate, it effectively just reduces the population for each of us since some will refuse to group with others and lack of communication etc. And we all know that a smaller population = less opportunities for all (in general). Its also quite burdensome, imo, trying to accomplish difficult tasks with a group who speaks a different language. The only tool we have is the autotranslate function, and we all know how very limited its use is.
TLDR: same language servers only please, its a video game :)

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Originally Posted by Fullmetal

TLDR: same language servers only please, its a video game :)

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I'd never pay to subscribe to a game that had Only same language servers.

SE I will love you long time if you give us a US based server.

Hmm consider the following: server population cap is 3000 people. You speak English only. The server is 1500 english and 1500 japanese. Essentially, you would only be able to interact with half of the server in a meaningful way, limiting all your potential opportunities and interactions by one half. It could take you twice as long to accomplish things. So you play twice as much or progress at half the pace in group related content. I would not prefer this. If you are bilingual, then just pick a language.

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Originally Posted by Fullmetal

Hmm consider the following: server population cap is 3000 people. You speak English only. Would The server is half english and half japanese. Essentially, you would only be able to interact with half of the server in a meaningful way, limiting all your potential opportunities and interactions by one half. It could take you twice as long to accomplish things. So you play twice as much or progress at half the pace in group related content. I would not prefer this.

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I already explained how this is not the case. SE themselves posted about how time zone differences allowed them to place more people on a server in FFXI than other games could. It doesn't reduce the number of people who can understand you, it just adds ones in different times of the day.

I play from Paris, but I only speak English, and terribad French. Ffxi got me learning Japanese, and my play time falls between JP prime time and us prime time. Most Europeans I knew in xi were complete morons, like on a level I would never expect. So I am in a us ls but I join with jp parties all the time.

Regional servers would basically call for the end of my game.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino

I already explained how this is not the case. SE themselves posted about how time zone differences allowed them to place more people on a server in FFXI than other games could. It doesn't reduce the number of people who can understand you, it just adds ones in different times of the day.

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Despite the ~12 hr time differences, my point remains. The fact that there are any non-english speakers (for example) on a server does indeed reduce the number of possible interactions for me and for all english speakers.

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Originally Posted by Fullmetal

If you are bilingual, then just pick a language.

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No thanks I like to play with people from around the world in my MMO language is no barier to me as it seems to be for you, your server limitations is skewed as well as the number are for characters playing at once. Giving Multiple timezones more than enough slots for characters.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

No thanks I like to play with people from around the world in my MMO language is no barier to me as it seems to be for you, your server limitations is skewed as well as the number are for characters playing at once. Giving Multiple timezones more than enough slots for characters.

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Have you played FFXI? Do you think you will be invited to kill HNM, raids, etc. etc. with all Japanese linkshells?
How will you guys communicate strategy with one another and communicate important things during battle?
While you say its "no barrier to me" that is likely because you have not been in a situation yet where it will become an issue. Play long enough and those scenarios are bound to happen. Now, its not the end of the world of course, but just a missed opportunity. Additionally, just because a server is all english (hypothetically), does not imply that all players live in America. Those time zones/slots could just as well be filled up with english speakers from around the globe, should they choose to join an english speaking server.

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Originally Posted by Fullmetal

Have you played FFXI? Do you think you will be invited to kill HNM, raids, etc. etc. with all Japanese linkshells?

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I didn't have to join a Japanese linkshell to do those things, because I played on a server with a massive variaty of players. If could play with NA, EU, and Japanese players allover the world. I could log in at anytime of the day and it be "Primetime" somewhere.

FFXI held no restrictions for me I did KSNM, BCNM, Dynamis, Limbus, many other events with a majority of Japanese players and I don't speak the language well enough to do much other than understand some basic words and pick a few things out from sentances.

Hell I did Limbus with german players, language wasn't in my way either because I knew what I had to do, I did Dynamis on rotation with a Linkshell that had players of all nationalities, the NA side would do runs during the day, the EU in my afternoon, and the JP during the night.

Guess who did runs with all of the groups? This guy, because I surmounted the barier of requiring people to tell me how to preform during Dynamis runs, limbus runs, BCNM's. I knew how to play the game and the players I played with knew I was fully capable.

There is no "missed oportunity" on a global server, everyone can play with their own language if they want becasue your not going to be the only NA, EU, JP player floating around. Hell you might find it nice to go outside your comfort zone and meet some players outside your language who may know enough to hold a half decent conversation it's not as hard as you might think.

Many Japanese players if you let them are very good at speaking english, and once they have some confidence usually relish nothing more than a chance to practice talking with a native speaker. The claims of Xenophobic Japanese players are unfounded, they may be introverted but thats one great thing about the internet is there is no race or creed online (Aside your avatar I guess...) You all play the same game and have common interests.

People get turned off so easilly when they get burned once or twice, grow a pair and keep trying it's not like all of the players you meet that speak your language are sunshine and rainbows either, it's just easier to ignore because you don't have to go out of your way to be shuned by your own language.

The point im making is that, mathematically and statistically, there are simply fewer opportunities and smaller probabilities of interaction for everyone, on average, on servers that are heterogeneous. Its just math, theres no need to take it personally. You cant argue with math.

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Originally Posted by Fullmetal

The point im making is that, mathematically and statistically, there are simply fewer opportunities and smaller probabilities of interaction for everyone, on average, on servers that are heterogeneous. Its just math.

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What math? I log onto a english server and I have a lowered rate of interacting with people due to my lifestyle...Am I to be forced into a totally foriegn server to find people to play with with my current life situationt that only affords me time in the late afternoon?

What happens if my situation changes, I have to pay (Not available in the plans FYI) to find a proper playerbase again? Not even language wise, just people playing when I happen to play.

Saying ONLY segregated servers is far more silly than requesting a few locked servers, but even then that idea is cutting away potential players from a global server. I don't see the issue with the current servers, have you ever tried to make a character in XIV and been told you can't because the server is full?

I don't think so...so I don't see where you are finding that having a NA only server would magically make more NA players appear.

I have no problems playing with JP/NA and co at all, the problem I have is never being able to find a great EU linkshell, I had enough in XI staying up late, and its happening all over again in XIV, so I'm kind of forced to go to an EU located server when 2.0 drops, is that right?

You realize you have a choice JP, EN, or global server. Ill be playing on EN server myself because that is what I prefer. You shouldn't force people to play with people they don't want to play with or have a language barrier.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

What math? I log onto a english server and I have a lowered rate of interacting with people due to my lifestyle...Am I to be forced into a totally foriegn server to find people to play with with my current life situationt that only affords me time in the late afternoon?

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Stop and think for a moment. Are you the only English speaker playing FFXI/V in Paris? Highly doubtful. Thus those people will also be playing when you are. Do you think all of NA players sleep at the same time? No. Depending on my schedule, my play time is all over the place. It was with XI too. I never had a problem getting people together that were in my same country on XI, even in the middle of the night/early morning.

I'm seriously doubting your XI experiences as you present them. It was widely known that most JP players only wanted to play with other JP players. Usually they would only play with NAs who looked up to them as if they were better than the rest of the world, especially when it came to endgame activities. This obviously doesn't mean that they were all like that, but the majority of endgame JP shells were JP only, whereas NA and EU shells mixed more. If you did run most events with JP players, please understand that you were in a minority, even among those that could understand a bit of Japanese, at least enough to be polite, ask how everyone was doing, etc. It wasn't just a language barrier most of the time, it was a superiority complex that they felt they were better than the "noob" NAs.

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What happens if my situation changes, I have to pay (Not available in the plans FYI) to find a proper playerbase again? Not even language wise, just people playing when I happen to play.

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Again, even if your personal play time doesn't match up with the typical prime time, it doesn't matter much. You can easily find people at nearly any time of the day, even on English only servers. If the servers are language based instead of regional, it's even better, because then you will be on servers with people all over the world who speak English.

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Saying ONLY segregated servers is far more silly than requesting a few locked servers, but even then that idea is cutting away potential players from a global server. I don't see the issue with the current servers, have you ever tried to make a character in XIV and been told you can't because the server is full?

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It won't be ONLY segregated servers. If the majority of people don't want to play on global servers (which is what everyone is going chicken little about since they think they will be barren) then the majority should not have to play the way YOU want them to because it benefits people like YOU. You still have your option for global servers. If the rest of the players don't want to join those, that is their own choice.

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I don't think so...so I don't see where you are finding that having a NA only server would magically make more NA players appear.

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Think of this:

I am on a server and there are 3000 players online. All of them speak English. There are potentially 2,999 players in my selection pool to choose from.

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I am on a server and there are 3000 players online. 1,000 speak English. 1,000 speak Japanese. 1,000 speak French, German, Spanish, etc. 700 of those JP players will not even think of playing with me because of the language barrier. 300 (some might be in the 700, others know how to speak English though and are additional to those 700) JP players won't even think of playing with me because I'm not Japanese. Now factor in that maybe 100 of the remaining JP players are willing to play with me, but how many of them are in my level range? Most other players will play with me, though some might not feel comfortable with the language barrier. I have gone from potentially 2,999 other players to 1,000 English speakers, maybe 2 or 3 JP players in my level range that are willing to play with me, and say 900 EU players. 1,903 players, and the EU/NA players are still not all in my level range.

Do you see what people are getting at now? Global servers work fine when everyone is willing to play with everyone. They do not work when you have one region of special snowflakes who want to stick to themselves. I have nothing against playing with anyone, I don't want my point to be misunderstood at all. I have a problem being forced to play on a server where a large portion of people absolutely will not play with me simply because they only want to play with their own people.

Guys...dont forget about world-less system/content-finder system, If you happen to need party and no one available,the system will pick people from all server....

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Originally Posted by Shipp

Do you see what people are getting at now?

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You're right, your completely-fabricated facts about mythical servers where only 3000 people are allowed to play and all of them do so 24 hours a day without sleep or work are completely proving your point.

Language specific servers is one of the most wanted features for Japan as seen in this 93 page topic

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...81%84%E3%81%A6

There are many English speaking people like myself who would prefer English only servers as well. More people to play with and when I send someone a tell I know they understand what I am saying and easier overall to group with people.

SE is still having global servers if you like that kind of server you can play on one of those. So I do not see a problem with what they are doing at all with the V 2.0 servers.

i hate language specific servers, i myself have a japanese only LS and i don't speak japanese, they helped me a lot when i started ff14, so some of this statements are not true for all.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Many Japanese players if you let them are very good at speaking english, and once they have some confidence usually relish nothing more than a chance to practice talking with a native speaker. The claims of Xenophobic Japanese players are unfounded

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i found this statement is opposite to be exactly, its true that not all JP are xenophobic, its true that they speak english, but most of them wont party with you because language is a barrier, they do not want to use auto-trans because is hectic and you can't find the right words, etc etc and the list goes on. and you know what? they have the right to do so. making language-specific servers is a "no-brainer".

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Originally Posted by Tsukino

You're right, your completely-fabricated facts about mythical servers where only 3000 people are allowed to play and all of them do so 24 hours a day without sleep or work are completely proving your point.

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I was being generous with those numbers. I could have called a spade a spade and just said 95% of the JP population in MMOs are completely xenophobic and think they're better than the rest of the world.

You're the type of person I'm glad I can avoid with segregated servers, the typical English person pretending to be Japanese with their Sailor Moon anime name.

The numbers are not made up, 3,000 people was about the number of players from XI. You're right though, the majority of players in XIV are Japanese, but again, I was trying to be generous with the numbers. You could take that 1,000 French, German, Spanish, etc language category and shave it to 100 players and add 200 to English and 700 to Japanese and that would be closer to XI numbers.

It's a fact that the vast majority of JP players will not group up with people who don't speak Japanese. Whether it be xenophobic reasons or they just aren't into using the translator, it really doesn't matter. The vast majority of them will only party with other Japanese players, which leaves me out of that equation. I should not have to play on a server where half of the players will not party with me just so you can have your way and converse with them. Giving people options does not take your options away. If the global servers are desolate, they're desolate for a reason. Most people do not want to play in the scenario I have listed. Call it fabricated all you want, you're not fooling anyone who played XI and isn't deluding themselves that JPs weren't bad about "JP ONLY."

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Originally Posted by Soralis

i hate language specific servers, i myself have a japanese only LS and i don't speak japanese, they helped me a lot when i started ff14, so some of this statements are not true for all.

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Most of us are probably pulling from personal experience in XI. 2.0 looks to be moving more towards XI's way of things, from what I see. At least for the partying aspect. Up to now, I haven't had problems in XIV with JP players, and it's usually fine grouping up because it's for a 10 minute behest or something. I did see a shout last week for a JP "onry" (I am not being sarcastic, that was how they spelled it) Ifrit fight, so it does still hold true to some degree.

Obviously not all JP players are like this, but the majority of them would rather play with other JP players.

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Originally Posted by Shipp

I was being generous with those numbers. I could have called a spade a spade and just said 95% of the JP population in MMOs are completely xenophobic and think they're better than the rest of the world.

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Congratulations, you're just as much of a racist jerk as all the people who put "JP ONLY" in their search comments.

People exaggerate a small issue to be most of the people playing the game. In reality the number of people who refused to party with non-Japanese speakers was small, most of them don't care one way or the other unless it's a big endgame event where clear communication is key (in which case everyone should care). I'd join many Japanese parties and then invite my English-only friends along while offering to interpret and the vast majority were happy to have them along. There were some xenophobic players on every server, sure, but they're a vocal minority holding onto bad stereotypes from years prior.

Anyway, your facts are fabricated because there's a faulty assumption which I already outlined many posts ago, and it has nothing to do with the presence (or even amount) of xenophobes. I don't think I should have to explain it again but I will try to use your example, though I'm sure you're just going to call me a weeaboo and ignore it all anyway.

If you ran a /sea all on FFXI and saw 3000 people, that would be the number of people playing at any given time. Obviously there were more than 3000 on each server, since their total reported numbers were above 500,000. Let's say you ran that search in the middle of North American prime time, around 18:30 Pacific 21:30 Eastern. At that time it's 10:30 in Japan. Almost everyone there is either at work or school or going there. Indeed the entire range from 18:00 Eastern to 22:00 Pacific is from 7:00 to 14:00 Japanese time. Out of 3000 people, a very small number of them are Japanese; only those with strange shifts or the unemployed would be playing an online game in the morning work hours. You still have tons of English speakers to party with and get things done at this time.

At this point you might be saying something like "but if 3000 are mostly NA, another 3000 are probably JP and maybe another 1500 speaking other languages from Europe." That is most likely true, but it does not mean that the game suddenly becomes able to accommodate 7500 players all at once. It can probably only handle close to the amounts we had when they kept adding new worlds and trying to get people to shift to them. The time zone differences allow them to put all those people on the same server though, because there's no way all of them will ever be logged in at once. The peak times from the three regions line up rather nicely (seriously, there was a chart, I swear) to keep the servers at capacity all the time. You wouldn't get twice as many English speakers, you'd just get a very similar amount but without everyone else.

Even if your absurd 95% statistic were correct, during peak hours you wouldn't need to party with any Japanese players anyway, and during non-peak hours even 5% means more than you'd get from just people in your own region playing at a weird time of day. Except it's not correct, and the boost to people up at 4:00 is much greater than that, even if the language barrier means they can't do serious endgame content.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino

Congratulations, you're just as much of a racist jerk as all the people who put "JP ONLY" in their search comments.

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Not really, because I have no problem playing with anyone. I have a problem being discriminated against by the majority of the JP player base in XI.

Nice job trying to pull the racism card though. Not all of us can suck up to a race instead of being realistic about the situation. Funny, even JP players have commented about how they didn't like partying with NAs because we were rude. But yep, I'm the racist one.

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People exaggerate a small issue to be most of the people playing the game. In reality the number of people who refused to party with non-Japanese speakers was small, most of them don't care one way or the other unless it's a big endgame event where clear communication is key (in which case everyone should care). I'd join many Japanese parties and then invite my English-only friends along while offering to interpret and the vast majority were happy to have them along. There were some xenophobic players on every server, sure, but they're a vocal minority holding onto bad stereotypes from years prior.

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I don't know what your character name in XI was, but seeing as you are fluent in Japanese and have a Japanese name in XIV, it's not out of the realm of possibility that they assumed you were Japanese yourself. Most of them want to play with other Japanese players, or they did in XI. This isn't some huge secret, I don't know why a few people seem to be acting like this wasn't the case.

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Anyway, your facts are fabricated because there's a faulty assumption which I already outlined many posts ago, and it has nothing to do with the presence (or even amount) of xenophobes. I don't think I should have to explain it again but I will try to use your example, though I'm sure you're just going to call me a weeaboo and ignore it all anyway.

If you ran a /sea all on FFXI and saw 3000 people, that would be the number of people playing at any given time. Obviously there were more than 3000 on each server, since their total reported numbers were above 500,000. Let's say you ran that search in the middle of North American prime time, around 18:30 Pacific 21:30 Eastern. At that time it's 10:30 in Japan. Almost everyone there is either at work or school or going there. Indeed the entire range from 18:00 Eastern to 22:00 Pacific is from 7:00 to 14:00 Japanese time. Out of 3000 people, a very small number of them are Japanese; only those with strange shifts or the unemployed would be playing an online game in the morning work hours. You still have tons of English speakers to party with and get things done at this time.

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Do you not remember XI? You had HNMs at any time of the day. There were always people playing in certain shifts. Your little example does not explain away my point. I don't typically play in NA prime. I usually play in JP prime. If I was on an English server, I would see other English people during JP prime, because the game is never barren just because it isn't prime. I don't understand why you and every other "global" pusher keep ramming this misconception down everyone's throat. In WoW, I can get online at 5am and see PLENTY of people running around on my server, and guess what, they all speak English.

I know the server limit wasn't 3,000. I said that is what I typically saw around prime. Now, there are certainly no English players that will not play with me just because I don't speak Japanese. However, there are Japanese players that won't play with me because I don't speak fluent Japanese. In English servers, even during JP prime there won't be a ton less characters just because it isn't prime for most people. If it was region-based it might present more of a problem, but it still wouldn't be bad. It will likely be language-based. Even on English servers, there will still be plenty of English speakers on during non NA prime, because there will be several "primes" for English speakers throughout the day.

This means that there will be several times during the day where that number will reach the 3,000 mark, and all of them will speak English. That is a full server of people willing to play with me, whereas FORCING JP to play with English players does not give me that same amount of people, because many of them only want to play with other JP players.

No, my examples are not fabricated, and they are not faulty due to your timezone comparison. You're working under the false assumption that very few English players will be on when it's not prime, and this is 100% not the case. Might not be as many as prime, but it's still going to be a larger selection for those of us who do not have Japanese names and do not speak Japanese, since we can't "trick" them into thinking that we are Japanese.

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At this point you might be saying something like "but if 3000 are mostly NA, another 3000 are probably JP and maybe another 1500 speaking other languages from Europe." That is most likely true, but it does not mean that the game suddenly becomes able to accommodate 7500 players all at once. It can probably only handle close to the amounts we had when they kept adding new worlds and trying to get people to shift to them. The time zone differences allow them to put all those people on the same server though, because there's no way all of them will ever be logged in at once. The peak times from the three regions line up rather nicely (seriously, there was a chart, I swear) to keep the servers at capacity all the time. You wouldn't get twice as many English speakers, you'd just get a very similar amount but without everyone else.

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Yes, you would. Example:
We have 2 "global" servers currently:
3,000 English and 3,000 JP on both. 6,000 players on each server, 12,000 total players within the two servers.

SE segregated into 1 English and 1 JP server:
English server now has 6,000.
JP server has 6,000.

Even at a capacity of 3,000, this would work fine. There are plenty of us that log on at random times. Many people work night jobs and play in the day/morning. Factor in English speaking EU and AUS players and you have more primes.

Again, the only people these new servers will hurt will be JP players who do not want to play with English speakers. Also, another poster said they were introducing cross-server tools just like I thought I read on the roadmap. This largely eliminates any concern you have of people not being on because it's not prime.

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Even if your absurd 95% statistic were correct, during peak hours you wouldn't need to party with any Japanese players anyway, and during non-peak hours even 5% means more than you'd get from just people in your own region playing at a weird time of day. Except it's not correct, and the boost to people up at 4:00 is much greater than that, even if the language barrier means they can't do serious endgame content.

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I'm not talking about all JP people. I'm talking about a very specific group, XI players. I have no clue how it is in XIV besides Behest and the shout I saw last week for a JP "onry" group for Ifrit.

Again, you are operating under the false assumption that during non-peak hours there is nearly nobody on from the region that is non-peak. This wasn't the case in XI, it's not the case in WoW, it's not the case in XIV currently, and it will never be the case with cross-server functions.

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Originally Posted by Shipp

Not really, because I have no problem playing with anyone. I have a problem being discriminated against by the majority of the JP player base in XI.

Nice job trying to pull the racism card though. Not all of us can suck up to a race instead of being realistic about the situation. Funny, even JP players have commented about how they didn't like partying with NAs because we were rude. But yep, I'm the racist one.

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Those people are prejudiced. You thinking that because some people from Japan say that the majority of Japanese people must be similarly prejudiced is also a form of racial prejudice. I'm not saying that because you're acting like a racist that they can't also be racist; you're the one who seems to think it can only be one or the other.

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Originally Posted by Shipp

I don't know what your character name in XI was, but seeing as you are fluent in Japanese and have a Japanese name in XIV, it's not out of the realm of possibility that they assumed you were Japanese yourself. Most of them want to play with other Japanese players, or they did in XI. This isn't some huge secret, I don't know why a few people seem to be acting like this wasn't the case.

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They may have, but I wasn't getting at the fact that I could get parties myself. I understand that my situation is a rare one. What I was trying to point out was that I fostered many bilingual parties and no one ever cared when I invited my English speaking friends along for the ride. I never once had anyone say no to inviting them when asked, nor leave the party or anything else. I made a point of avoiding people with the big "JP ONLY" in their comments though, because those people are jerks and I didn't want to play with them anyway.

Again though, those people are a vocal minority. I'm not saying they didn't or don't exist. They did, and do, and like you say everyone knows that and had a truly unique experience if they didn't encounter it at least once. I know for a fact it's sticking out in your mind though because it's one thing you can read out of hundreds of people who really don't care either way, just like you claim yourself. And the reason I know it is because I met so many more people who didn't mind English speakers in their groups than I ever saw comments or shouts demanding otherwise.



As for the rest, we're both operating on the idea that the other one is making a fundamentally flawed assumption about server populations so I don't think there's much else I can say about it. Only thing I'll add is that I'm basing my argument on a chart SE put out (I want to say it was during a census but I really don't know anymore) showing how the populations over a 24-hour period line up, specifically pointing out that they allow the game to remain populated at all times and more people total to be on a single server. Yours, on the other hand, seems to be based mostly on anecdotes such as "I see a lot of people on WoW" (I personally felt the game was dead in the early mornings) and "HNM groups are full of unemployed people who can be on at any time and therefore the whole game is like that."

I've had good experiences with Japanese people in FFXIV, so I don't consider it a problem, but I would rather have a server which i could 100% interact with. At the moment, it's like 30% of the population I can talk to.

If they release regional servers with better ping, I will definitely support the move to regional servers, but if they're still located in JPN, it kind of defeats the point.

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Originally Posted by Ava

I will probably get jumped for saying this, but I don't necessarily mean it in a bad way. And sadly, it's a little known truth among XI/XIV gamers.

Japanese people are extremely racist, in general. Japan is one of the most nationalistic countries in existence. They have an overwhelming pride of what is Japan and look down on almost anyone that isn't Japanese. Now, of course there are exceptions, and Japan is by no means tiny, so when you play something like a video game that appeals to a specific group of people (gamers), you may not see the problem as much as it exists. But the fact that the Japanese community is the only community really pushing segregated servers really says a lot. Some English speaking players push for it as well, but not even close to as many English speaking players care about the issue.

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Just as many English players push for it too, but most of them maybe are no longer playing FFXIV.

The day the game first came out there were people on my serving raging at a group for speaking in German on shout, demanding they speak English or leave. Not all Japanese players are xenophobic, and not all xenophobes are Japanese.

I'm for it. I know this is pointless in the game as it is right now, but language-specific servers also pretty much guarantee that certain NMs will not be heavily camped at certain times of the day/night, making it easier for people to get stuff from popular NMs.

I could care less about Language specific servers, If all the different societies and languages wanna go to a certain server sweet. Maybe is can bring some server wars where server compete over who beat this and how many of this awesome item this server has, I always enjoyed that in FFXI.

I absolutely love the way all the servers are now..

If they bring out language servers they may as well restrict everyone to play on their on servers.

What's the point of an English speaker to join a Global server when there will be less people who can fluently understand them, and obviously less people in general compared to Language servers?

I know I wouldn't pick a global server because they would be empty.. even though I want to play with people from other countries.

Being Australian.. the only people online when I'm online are mostly Japanese with the occasional American who is staying up late.

@OP
I hate how people can be so ignorant of different cultures and nationalities ~ However people need to be educated to understand :)

When ever I come across someone who doesn't speak English (quite common :P) I always try to speak in their language with the use of my own knowledge, in game translator and if It's really necessary.. Google translator (D:)

** And not sure about your servers.. but I've never come across any Japanese player who hasn't wanted to talk to me.

Even through our language barrier we will manage to have fun through emotes, terrible japanese/english translations (Google) and doing Leve quests together.

A couple of days ago I partied with 3 Japanese players and one American player. It was the most fun I have had on an MMORPG for ages.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino

As for the rest, we're both operating on the idea that the other one is making a fundamentally flawed assumption about server populations so I don't think there's much else I can say about it. Only thing I'll add is that I'm basing my argument on a chart SE put out (I want to say it was during a census but I really don't know anymore) showing how the populations over a 24-hour period line up, specifically pointing out that they allow the game to remain populated at all times and more people total to be on a single server. Yours, on the other hand, seems to be based mostly on anecdotes such as "I see a lot of people on WoW" (I personally felt the game was dead in the early mornings) and "HNM groups are full of unemployed people who can be on at any time and therefore the whole game is like that."

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Endgame shells were full of people who sent people out 24/7 for spawn windows. Employed or otherwise. My shell always had people camping the spawn, even if it was just to get ToD. I also wouldn't consider WoW dead when the cities are filled with people at all times of the day. Sure, there's more on towards the evening, but it's far from dead at any given time. Again though, it doesn't matter if there is cross-server grouping. JP players that are open to grouping with English speakers can do so. I'm sure there will be an option like in XI where you select your language preference.

Forcing people to play together that don't want to play together does nothing positive for the community, and it was a source of contention between JPs and the rest of the world in XI, especially in 2004-2006. I don't care who I play with as long as they're considerate, however, that feeling largely did not feel mutual in XI.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Language specific servers is one of the most wanted features for Japan as seen in this 93 page topic

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...81%84%E3%81%A6
There are many English speaking people like myself who would prefer English only servers as well. More people to play with and when I send someone a tell I know they understand what I am saying and easier overall to group with people.

SE is still having global servers if you like that kind of server you can play on one of those. So I do not see a problem with what they are doing at all with the V 2.0 servers.

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Zumi. You made out as if every single person who posted in that forum wants Language servers.

You don't need to be smart to realise you can translate that site to English to get the general idea.. A LOT of Japanese players are against the idea of breaking up the servers into language/global servers too.

http://translate.google.com/translat...-各言語専用サーバーについて

-- They have a habit of calling all english speakers Americans :X

=3= America isn't the only English speaking country nor are they the only English speaking players nor do they share the same culture.

D:< And they call American's ignorant? ... ahem.

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Originally Posted by Atomisk

segregated servers don't mean the server will be hosted in your country. You are still going to have the same ping.

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There is a good chance of having servers both in the US and Europe if they plan to go regional that is, Dump the European servers at Edios and be done with it :P

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I'd never pay to subscribe to a game that had Only same language servers.

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You sir are ridiculous !

JP ONRY was mainly an issue in very early FF11, by the time aht urgan was added, I can't think of one time that I had a problem getting into JP parties, I think socially over time opinions and prejudice have changed.

It seems rude and selfish to me to deny another fellow XIV population a service that they feel would improve their enjoyment and playability of the game. For those who want an language only server, I'm glad that will become an option.
For those whom wish to stay international, that is also still going to be an option.

I don't see it as a racist, it's just widening the options to chose the environment which best suits your play style.
The same way other MMO's offer roleplay only servers or pvp only servers.

Such a shame that the JP's are in full support of JP only servers. I know that the majority of them really have issues playing with anyone that doesn't speak JP, but in the same respect, I have met so many kind and friendly ones, that we have actually ended up having a lot fun with.

I know that we will not see these on English speaking realms, as they would be much happier playing with their own kind, and I know myself for every 1 nice NA/EU player, there is 10 morons.

Sucks for me though, as the majority of my XP parties are during JP prime time, which is what triggered me to learn the basics of the language. Now instead of taking 10 minutes to find people online when I am, I find no one :(

I will miss all the germans and JP I know by sight and have used auto-translate with, but at the same time, they will be replaced by english-speakers, so it's not like im losing anything without gaining something at the same time.

It's good SE is still keeping the option open for global servers, for those who want to play FFXIV with players they know all over the globe.

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I know that we will not see these on English speaking realms, as they would be much happier playing with their own kind, and I know myself for every 1 nice NA/EU player, there is 10 morons.

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Well morons exist worldwide, lets not fool ourselves that Europeans and Americans are any more susceptible.

Im sure you will adapt to playing with your own language player base /comfort

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Originally Posted by Bongeh1986

JP ONRY was mainly an issue in very early FF11, by the time aht urgan was added, I can't think of one time that I had a problem getting into JP parties, I think socially over time opinions and prejudice have changed.

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Perhaps this was the case. I quit shortly after ToAU, came back a few times after but mainly stuck with my friends when I came back. I know before ToAU it was a major issue, and I remember several racist remarks from NA, EU, and JP linkshells when fighting over King Behemoth. It always seemed as though JP players felt they were better than everyone else, even at that point. Perhaps it changed after ToAU. As I've stated before, I don't have a problem with mixed servers, though I can see why people would want separate ones. I haven't had a problem in XIV at all, but that's also a difference in partying for hours on end vs a 15 minute behest.

they should force global servers on everyone like they did on xi. there aren't enough players to go around to afford these many distinctions. and those who don't like it could us a cup of tolerance for other cultures.

what do you care if some jps don't want to party with you? its not like they are taking up the spot of a party who would.