male miqo'te - How would you like it to look?

I don't mind Lehko to be honest.

Just make us a little more buff and sexy looking and less emo/gothic. It's hard to find any good examples of this without getting into... well, you know, lol, that kind of content searching on google. But I've got a fairly good idea in my head of what I'd like to see.

Tall, slender (with a bit of muscle tone) and semi-effeminate in the face - i.e. a good looking pretty boy (more akin to Squall, Tidus or Zidane and not so much Vaan). Though Squall's actually more rugged really, but still strikes me as in that category.

So yah, Squall with a little more muscle and cat ears & tail I guess lol? Probably around the same beefiness as the Highland Hyur, give or take - the Roegadyn are too huge. I don't want to be a beastly freak like the Galka were in XI or even the Roegadyn, but more of a chick magnet >:3

RAWR!

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Originally Posted by NefGP

and not so much Vaan

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LOLOLOL :)

They're going to be bishounen, as we can see.

Now, on the concept art, the "dark" (kepeer of the moon?) male miqote portrait looks a more masculine than the light counterpart (you can tell that from the neck) so I guess they're gonna do it that way-

I'd like them to look really mean or gruff. I mean from the concept art shown, they actually look pretty respectable and not like some shitty anime archetype. Let's keep them that way, and I'm sold on playing as one.

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Originally Posted by Nabiri

Male miqo'te look exactly as I hoped they would. ^-^
And the one with white hair.. he looks better with facial hair. haha. I say he's manly enough.

Besides that, I think there are already enough uber manly men. We could use a little change. I want something I find attractive too. :x

Edit: I'd be pretty disappointed if the male miqo'te clans differed in body size/muscle tone/manliness(?)...
If the one I like better ends up being the buffer, gross one... /sadness lol

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That makes absolutely no sense, if you thought it was gross then wouldn't you dislike it. ?

I see no harm in having the two clans have two difference body types, why is that some of you guys have to have it all your way or no way at all.

I'd be happy if they looked like the new liono.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2z1izawaDn...eries.jpeg.jpg

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Originally Posted by Jinko

That makes absolutely no sense, if you thought it was gross then wouldn't you dislike it. ?

I see no harm in having the two clans have two difference body types, why is that some of you guys have to have it all your way or no way at all.

I'd be happy if they looked like the new liono.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2z1izawaDn...eries.jpeg.jpg

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It makes perfect sense, it was just worded poorly and you misunderstood. Say I like the colours of the moon cats better... and I want to make a male moon miqo'te.. but SE went and made them all muscular, well then I wouldn't be able to pick my favourite and would have to either play a sun miqo'te which I don't like the colours of as much, or not play a male miqo'te at all.

So if SE is going to put different body types in, they should make CHOICES available for all clans and races (without making it unrealistic or breaking lore.. Highlander hyurs will always be a little buffer than some other races), so you can make the character you like. (Ex. The option to choose a lean or muscular male miqo'te REGARDLESS of clan.)

"all your way or no way at all." Haha... laughable.. When I'm saying the exact opposite: "CHOICES FOR EVERYONE." I say one thing, you read another. *shrugs*

http://soulrift.com/img/ffxiapriltour2.jpg

This

Wouldn't be right being anything but wierd or gay looking

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Originally Posted by Madrox

http://soulrift.com/img/ffxiapriltour2.jpg

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Wouldn't be right being anything but wierd or gay looking

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That's not gay looking at all.. more like heterosexually-challenged.

Honestly, I would prefer something like this:

http://vnmedia.ign.com/eq2vault.ign....ra_31may05.gif

EQ2 Kerra male

Here's my deal and others have said it also. There are two clans. The males stay at home. But what if the seekers of the sun males had different duties than the keeper of the moon miqotes. What if keeper of the moon manqotes were more like stay at home dads who cooked and cleaned and such.

What if seeker of the sun manqotes (i'm saving space lol) we're responsible for building and farming and such making them a lil more buff. Just saying we have a base history of miqote in general, and a base history for the clans, but what if 2.0 they expand this history and say, seeker of the sun were typically more of a nomadic warring tribe sort of like vikings or something (even though thats roegadyn, but there's maritime, maybe miqotes would be more like any of the random "goths" visigoth and such, close to the roman empire, but instead of raiding huge cities, they used to take over villages and since then have become more peaceful) Keeper of the moon have always been more stationary of a tribal unity or something that sort, more akin to druids.

I do not ask for a really buff man miqote, we have roegadyn and highlander, but i would like one miqote to be more built, and have more muscle tone (think someone who works out but doesn't try to build muscle, they're toned but not buff), and the other would look like that bishi miqote who pushes up his glasses in the middle of thinking to be cool ( you know anime stereotypes, totally diff than US, guy with glasses is usually strategical genius and a total badass, think about Bleach, or in Witchblade (anime) theres a secretary guy who super sinister and has glasses, but he's a badass criminal mastermind, with one pushing up of his glasses, he has more cool points than the main character haha, in america the kid with glasses is a nerd who we beat up :/ or use to explain the situation for dumb people during a cartoon sad but true)

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Originally Posted by zaviermhigo

The males stay at home.

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I stopped reading here just because you're talking about the wrong game! D: That was FFXI. :x

Male Miqo'te do not = Male Mithra.
Apologies for saying so, but you don't know much about Miqo'te lore.
Male Miqo'te just aren't as social as the females. They tend to keep to themselves more.

The thing that bugs me with this whole debate is that the concept art SE showed worked. Those Male Miqo'te looked like Miqo'te. Those who are saying they want something more manly like Rei from Breath of Fire or something along those lines have to understand that if the male Miqo'te looked like that they would not even look like they are the same race.

It would be as if they were both different cat races. They still need to look like the same species and having them so drastically different makes it look odd and out of place. As a few have mentioned cats by nature are more feminine them not. Even male cats act like female cats it's part of being a cat and that logic should stay true for Male Miqo'te. It's not like there isn't enough bigger manly type characters in the game already and with 2.0 the options on making those characters will increase.

Maybe SE should release a Miq-ear headband for the dudes that want their cats manly. Pop it on a generic Highlander; bam. Exactly the look they seem to want.

Cat men aren't manly? What about this?

http://good-wallpapers.com/pictures/...-Ronso-880.jpg

Not a cat say you? Then how do you explain the horn?

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Originally Posted by Illy

The thing that bugs me with this whole debate is that the concept art SE showed worked. Those Male Miqo'te looked like Miqo'te. Those who are saying they want something more manly like Rei from Breath of Fire or something along those lines have to understand that if the male Miqo'te looked like that they would not even look like they are the same race.

It would be as if they were both different cat races. They still need to look like the same species and having them so drastically different makes it look odd and out of place. As a few have mentioned cats by nature are more feminine them not. Even male cats act like female cats it's part of being a cat and that logic should stay true for Male Miqo'te. It's not like there isn't enough bigger manly type characters in the game already and with 2.0 the options on making those characters will increase.

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When I mentioned it to look like Rei for example, I don't mean it to look literally like him. I mean the tone of muscle. Not big build. In the concept I put up, I should have noted to ignore the arms, and pay attention to just the core. I got carried away with it. Anyway, I get what you're trying to get at with the build of the and similarities both male and female should have.

I completely agree that there should be a meeting point between the male and female in looks, where they both relate in certain aspect. I'm not asking for an over the top huge lion. Rather the personification of bad ass(this is just preference), and a toned core, to show his agility. Similar like someone mentioned in the thread, like Liono from the new thunder cats. Not huge but shows he's ready for battle. Putting a note on the way male cats can also be feminine, then let me use thunder cats as an example. You dont see liono being girly, yet he's a male cat. They're just like humes - male and female - they're both neutral. It's not suggestive in any way, however it does represent what a male character is.

That's also keeping in mind, Thunder Cats it's just another fantasy story. So is Final Fantasy, so why say - hey male cats are girly too in REAL LIFE. Again, it's a fantasy. It's completely open to anything, may it be as some have suggested - girly or manly. We can't really rely too much on what is real life, if what we are being handed is a fantasy with either an endless note of possibilities or a strict notion behind what is a male miqote.

I wouldn't mind them being lean, and like I mentioned in an earlier post, the mannerism and animations will determine how we will really look at them in the end. Not just the way they look physically.

Wants male Miq'ote to be slender and effeminate. Cater to us, for a change. lol

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Originally Posted by Nabiri

It makes perfect sense, it was just worded poorly and you misunderstood. Say I like the colours of the moon cats better... and I want to make a male moon miqo'te.. but SE went and made them all muscular, well then I wouldn't be able to pick my favourite and would have to either play a sun miqo'te which I don't like the colours of as much, or not play a male miqo'te at all.

So if SE is going to put different body types in, they should make CHOICES available for all clans and races (without making it unrealistic or breaking lore.. Highlander hyurs will always be a little buffer than some other races), so you can make the character you like. (Ex. The option to choose a lean or muscular male miqo'te REGARDLESS of clan.)

"all your way or no way at all." Haha... laughable.. When I'm saying the exact opposite: "CHOICES FOR EVERYONE." I say one thing, you read another. *shrugs*

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Also ^ this.

I say all power to SE for adding a little variety. As a SE game, it's bound to have "pretty boys", so let them have them. I think it's good that they're catering not only to the male gamers who either want the manliest men possible or buxom bosoms in their face. Cater to those who appreciate a little femininity, I think it's perfect for that race anyway, not to mention I've been wanting to play a male member of one of the female-playable-only races from these games ever since FFXI first came out. Also to add in, I also love the concept art for the female Roges... so strong and beautiful looking. It's nice to stray from the "beefy male/supermodel female" norm.

Although I'm not completely thrilled with the one bit of concept art where the male Miq looks straight out of Loveless (a 'boy's love'/yaoi series for those not aware), the other concept art looked nicer, not to mention having the option of facial hair is great! I hope the developers continue down this path and DON'T make another big burly buff thing, not that there's anything wrong with them, but there's enough in the other races already.

And if you don't like the male Miq being too feminine? Just don't play them. Easy as that. You have plenty more races to choose from, that's why they're there.

Male mi'qote go WAY past "a little" femininity. They basically exist only to serve the sexual appetite of certain female gamers. Kind of like Vaan or the entire male cast of XIII besides the black guy.

http://www.comicvine.com/tygrus/29-7...2/105-1486216/

I don't know if I want Tygrus running around FFXIV.

This is what I thought of when I saw the middle miqo'te...
Selh'teus anyone? :3

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j133/Seretine/Sel.jpg

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

Male mi'qote go WAY past "a little" femininity. They basically exist only to serve the sexual appetite of certain female gamers. Kind of like Vaan or the entire male cast of XIII besides the black guy.

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And the female Mi'qote and females in the other races aren't made to appeal to males? I see nothing wrong with it. I think it's good that they're trying to appeal to a wider audience.

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Originally Posted by Nabiri

This is what I thought of when I saw the middle miqo'te...
Selh'teus anyone? :3

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j133/Seretine/Sel.jpg

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I see your Selh'teus and raise you... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXFLXts55Sg

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Originally Posted by Nabiri

This is what I thought of when I saw the middle miqo'te...
Selh'teus anyone? :3

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j133/Seretine/Sel.jpg

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Hey they look alike nice! But will it blend? jk! thanks for the add Nabiri. I completely forgot about Selh'teus. If the lore of the male miqote is that they dont blend well with society, it would make sense for them to make em look like that.

Edit: I haven't read up on the lore of male miqote's, if anyones got a link for it - hook me up.

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Originally Posted by wer

And the female Mi'qote and females in the other races aren't made to appeal to males? I see nothing wrong with it. I think it's good that they're trying to appeal to a wider audience.

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Vapid sex object characters should be done away with as a whole.

Honestly. Anyone ever played the fire emblem series? Im thinking the Cat like Laguz.

Like Ranulf, anyone remember him? Not too muscular but just enough not to be girly. Perfect imo.

http://fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Ranulf (Ignore the clothes, just talking body here)

But really... im all for choices too.. and having the sun Miqo'te be more liony and muscles and the moon ones being all slick and cat like (aka skinny). *shrug* I see no issue with that.

Choices are good... just my two cents.

Male Mi'qote can only be one thing, cute.

Like a female Mi'qote, only male.

Skinny, sexy, feminine, Squall-like, sexy, cute, and sexy. :D

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Originally Posted by Lavani

Male Mi'qote can only be one thing, cute.

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Forgive the off-topic, but... I can't help but wonder how long your sig will last on these forums.

And yes, man-kitties are cute!!!

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

Vapid sex object characters should be done away with as a whole.

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So you're essentially saying that all characters should be visually unappealing? I'm sorry but this is a Final Fantasy game, EVERY FF game has attractive-looking characters in them. It's just part of how the series is. If you don't like characters being handsome, pretty or cute then play WoW or something. It's not like these characters are literally stripping and dancing around naked either.

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Originally Posted by Nabiri

Forgive the off-topic, but... I can't help but wonder how long your sig will last on these forums.

And yes, man-kitties are cute!!!

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What's wrong with my signature :(. Lady gaga was just born that way, don't judge her, God makes no mistakes, she's on the right track.

haters gonna hate :(

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Originally Posted by wer

And if you don't like the male Miq being too feminine? Just don't play them. Easy as that. You have plenty more races to choose from, that's why they're there.

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Or alternatively we could voice our opinions and complain about it so we (who don't like it) don't have to get driven away from a race we might want to play as because they're some sissy-boy yaoi reject. Like I said in a previous post if they're updating the games engine they need to do what other games have done for years now and give us a plethora of choices when it comes to character creation.

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Originally Posted by Vackashken

Or alternatively we could voice our opinions and complain about it so we (who don't like it) don't have to get driven away from a race we might want to play as because they're some sissy-boy yaoi reject. Like I said in a previous post if they're updating the games engine they need to do what other games have done for years now and give us a plethora of choices when it comes to character creation.

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But you already have masculine choices to choose from where as the person that wants the feminine male has none. Why should they have no options so that you can have one more?

To quote a very wise man in the gaming industry when faced with a similar predicament:

"the truth is that privilege always lies with the majority. They're so used to being catered to that they see the lack of catering as an imbalance. They don't see anything wrong with having things set up to suit them, what's everyone's fuss all about? That's the way it should be, any everyone else should be used to not getting what they want."

Obviously they are adding this option to offer an alternative that does not currently exist. Why should you really expect them to give you yet another option and deny others who don't even have one to their liking?

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Originally Posted by Wynn

But you already have masculine choices to choose from where as the person that wants the feminine male has none. Why should they have no options so that you can have one more?

To quote a very wise man in the gaming industry when faced with a similar predicament:

"the truth is that privilege always lies with the majority. They're so used to being catered to that they see the lack of catering as an imbalance. They don't see anything wrong with having things set up to suit them, what's everyone's fuss all about? That's the way it should be, any everyone else should be used to not getting what they want."

Obviously they are adding this option to offer an alternative that does not currently exist. Why should you really expect them to give you yet another option and deny others who don't even have one to their liking?

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Because he's insecure about his manhood.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

But you already have masculine choices to choose from where as the person that wants the feminine male has none. Why should they have no options so that you can have one more?

To quote a very wise man in the gaming industry when faced with a similar predicament:

"the truth is that privilege always lies with the majority. They're so used to being catered to that they see the lack of catering as an imbalance. They don't see anything wrong with having things set up to suit them, what's everyone's fuss all about? That's the way it should be, any everyone else should be used to not getting what they want."

Obviously they are adding this option to offer an alternative that does not currently exist. Why should you really expect them to give you yet another option and deny others who don't even have one to their liking?

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Good sir, was that a quote about Dragon Age II, etc. giving (homo/bi)sexual choices? I believe I remember reading this somewhere and I swelled up with pride.

The World is taking (small) great steps into the future.

It should look exactly like it does in the official concept art. If you don't like it then go play a Galka.

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Originally Posted by Lavani

What's wrong with my signature :(. Lady gaga was just born that way, don't judge her, God makes no mistakes, she's on the right track.

haters gonna hate :(

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1. Didn't say anything was wrong with it.
2. She's awesome.
3. Nevermind, I won't go there. lol

I juuust wonder how long they'll let you keep it. :3

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Originally Posted by Wynn

But you already have masculine choices to choose from where as the person that wants the feminine male has none. Why should they have no options so that you can have one more?

To quote a very wise man in the gaming industry when faced with a similar predicament:

"the truth is that privilege always lies with the majority. They're so used to being catered to that they see the lack of catering as an imbalance. They don't see anything wrong with having things set up to suit them, what's everyone's fuss all about? That's the way it should be, any everyone else should be used to not getting what they want."

Obviously they are adding this option to offer an alternative that does not currently exist. Why should you really expect them to give you yet another option and deny others who don't even have one to their liking?

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I'm curious who that wise man was.
Really liked your post. It is true that one side has so many options and the side who wants more feminine men has no option at all right now. It would be a bit of a slap in the face if SE went and changed Miqo'te men to be all buff suddenly and we got nothing. This is our one piece of cake! Dun take it away! lol

That said, I'm still for options. I think it would be nice if SE added slightly varying body types to choose from for all races, for those who would like to customize their character further. Like, "muscular, lean, skinny, thick." Though, I think they have a lot to work on right now, and even if they considered such a thing, it wouldn't be likely to happen for a long while. (Perhaps when new hairstyles and things are added?)

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Originally Posted by Answa

Good sir, was that a quote about Dragon Age II, etc. giving (homo/bi)sexual choices? I believe I remember reading this somewhere and I swelled up with pride.

The World is taking (small) great steps into the future.

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That's exactly correct. :)

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Originally Posted by Nabiri

1. Didn't say anything was wrong with it.
2. She's awesome.
3. Nevermind, I won't go there. lol

I juuust wonder how long they'll let you keep it. :3



I'm curious who that wise man was.
Really liked your post. It is true that one side has so many options and the side who wants more feminine men has no option at all right now. It would be a bit of a slap in the face if SE went and changed Miqo'te men to be all buff suddenly and we got nothing. This is our one piece of cake! Dun take it away! lol

That said, I'm still for options. I think it would be nice if SE added slightly varying body types to choose from for all races, for those who would like to customize their character further. Like, "muscular, lean, skinny, thick." Though, I think they have a lot to work on right now, and even if they considered such a thing, it wouldn't be likely to happen for a long while. (Perhaps when new hairstyles and things are added?)

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His name is David Gaider. He works for BioWare.