New Mogstation Items (Magitek mount recolours inc.)

I bet 90% of the people bitching about this shit will be the ones buying. This is just a typical forum in a game, all it is is unjustly bitching, and so the people who enjoy the game and decide to spend THEIR MONEY get called white knights and blind idiots. Guess we all cant be hipsters

and mog station go back into development of the game we live in symbolic relationship the dev and players we pay for they game and extra and they make money to feed they family and help us enjoy are game.

12 dollars for the same mount, different color.

Thats why the videogame world became a "pay for everything" fest, thanks to people who buy stuff like that.

None of it is of my likes.

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Originally Posted by meldon90

12 dollars for the same mount, different color.

Thats why the videogame world became a "pay for everything" fest, thanks to people who buy stuff like that.

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No. That's why our cash shop is nice and does not hinder our core experience. All the crap are being sold which I really do not care to buy. Most of us at least. The ones who likes them and buy do not break our experience. There are enough mounts in the game already and more are coming. As for the colors well now they are obtainable in game too. I really think our shop is nice and not intrusive.

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Originally Posted by Riardon

No. That's why our cash shop is nice and does not hinder our core experience. All the crap are being sold which I really do not care to buy. Most of us at least. The ones who likes them and buy do not break our experience. There are enough mounts in the game already and more are coming. As for the colors well now they are obtainable in game too. I really think our shop is nice and not intrusive.

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I wasnt talking about the shop being intrusive, the shop is fine, i just think that developers should be rewarded for their work. That is not work, its a recolor, a quick way to make money without effort.

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Originally Posted by TheValiantOne

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I have nothing against people who want to spend their own money and enjoy things. Heck, I bought the White Devil mount. But I took time to think about it and I think it sets a dangerous precedent within the cash shop. Despite what you might think, players making complaints sometimes do so with decent justification.

As I said in my previous post - I'm all for the cash shop existing, and I'm all for SE making money. I just think they need to be careful how they set it up. It can quickly get the entire playerbase to turn on them (even people who like the cash shop) if they start pricing things exorbitantly / setting mounts and stuff to be single character only. The reason that this situation is a problem is because of how blatant of a cash grab it feels. Like - its not even a fully reskinned horse mount like the Sleipnir mount is, it's simply a different paint job and a new mount song for $12 for a single character. On top of the Scion gear, which is really expensive since most of it is in-game crafted gear with the aetherial goggles attached. Minfilia's outfit and hairstyle are the only ones that are legitimately unique, and even then they're charging $15 for it when it's a 1-piece set.

There's nothing wrong with them wanting to run a cash shop, but I do think they need to be wary of price creeping on glamour items. ESPECIALLY glamour items that took very little effort or work to create.

If people still want to buy it, that's fine, they don't deserve to be mocked or scorned for buying things they like and can afford - I'm just looking at it from the perspective of "How badly will this reflect on SE and the dev team."

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Originally Posted by ColorOfSakura

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Thats exactly the point.

SE was playing this recolor game the other way around many times btw. at least i was buying the collectors edition and am a little pissed they brought recolored version free into the game from the stuff i payed for...

Coeurl (pay for the 2.0 collectors edition) -> War Panther (free recolor version ingame from dark knight achievments)
Fat Chocobo (pay for the 2.0 collectors edition) -> Parade Chocobo (free recolor version ingame for 3000 player commendations achievment)
Baby Behemoth (pay for the 2.0 collectors edition) -> Behemoth Heir (free recolor version ingame wich you can buy for hunt seals)
Twintania (recruit some "friends" and let them pay for the game and subscription) -> Wyvern (free recolor version ingame wich you can buy for hunt seals)

at least now they bring first the free version and the recolored version is the thing you have to pay for...

but still: what are they doing with the money? patches are lackluster and far away from every 3 months... 2.5, 3.0, 3.1 is all we got this year. we are missing a whole patch, so we are 3 months behind.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Sadly the "useless" part of protesting is when people don't care and think they don't matter it's like the guy who doesn't vote saying his vote wouldn't change anything anyways.

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Sadly enough this is exactly how some people feel me included. I live in the US and voting time happens next year. But I won't vote for this exact reason.

I actually like the scion gear for the males and will happily pay the $8 it goes for. In fact I already bought Urianger's or however you spell his name gear last month. Buying Thancred's gear this month and am thinking about buying the Papalymo's gear next month.

They keep making easy cash grabs like this, yet continue to cite things like "lack of resources" or "server limitations" as answers to our complaints.

I don't mind a cash shop with vanity items... but it's annoying to see overpriced, zero-effort stuff like this when they won't give us more inventory space, proper instanced systems for housing, or find fixes to any of the other big problems (that other MMOs don't seem to have trouble overcoming).

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Originally Posted by TheValiantOne

I bet 90% of the people bitching about this shit will be the ones buying. This is just a typical forum in a game, all it is is unjustly bitching, and so the people who enjoy the game and decide to spend THEIR MONEY get called white knights and blind idiots. Guess we all cant be hipsters

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The only things I would buy on the mogstation would be FFT job costumes.
PLD-Knight, WAR-Geomancer, DRK-DRK, WHM-WHM, SCH-Calculator, AST-Mystic, MNK-MNK, DRG-DRG, NIN-NIN, BRD-BRD/Dancer, MCH-Orator, BLM-BLM, SMN-SMN.
Make it happen SE, I would pay $80 for them, and not only male costumes like TO. Mustadio and Olan are MCH/AST, but not job.

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

FFXIV might not be "pay to win", but it's slowly becoming "pay to look pretty."

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I'm okay with this.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

I'm okay with this.

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Yes, someone are okay with this and some other people don´t.
Its sad that some people don´t understand this (i dont mean you specially).

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Originally Posted by Vivi_Bushido

FFXIV might not be "pay to win", but it's slowly becoming "pay to look pretty."

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But aren't people saying that glamour is the true end game? So that means...

I was pleased and surprised when I learned you could "gift" these items to other people, too. I mean, I don't foresee myself buying any of these for myself, but I know at least one person who would be absolutely thrilled to get a red magitek.

Tumblr blogs also use them as prizes. Cheaper than sending out physical goods (I just dropped nearly $30 to the first place winner of my 1000 followers giveaway with the 2015 Glamour Book), and instant.

Quite a few people on my server have them already, i've seen people with both the red and white so clearly the people who aren't okay with this kind of practice are in the minority. Money talks as they say.

I'll probably not buy them for a very, very long time, but truth be told? I'm fine with them. You get a black one from completing the ARR MSQ, you get a gold one from getting 500 Commendations... the ONLY problem I see with this is that it is not an account unlock like Sleipnir is. That's it.

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Originally Posted by Lone-wolfe-02

Quite a few people on my server have them already, i've seen people with both the red and white so clearly the people who aren't okay with this kind of practice are in the minority. Money talks as they say.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Recolor fit perfectly as "optional cash item". More than a complete new mount.

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This. New models (mounts, hairstyles, glamour) have been, to date, almost always added as obtainable in-game items. Most of the things that end up in the cash shop are existing armor sets/models (Scions, event items) and now recolored mounts (Odin's mount being an exception, of course). Because of this, although the prices are a tad high, I find it a bit annoying that people are complaining about selling recolors.

They are going to use the cash shop whether we like it or not (I personally don't mind since they haven't put anything P2W in it). So, would you rather unique looking mounts/gear be added there instead of recolors or existing in-game models? Because so far SE been adding new stuff to be obtainable in-game.

Now I really know why there's so much lack of content in this game. Any one got the scoop yet as to when the game is going to go free-to-play.

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Originally Posted by Kowen

They keep making easy cash grabs like this, yet continue to cite things like "lack of resources" or "server limitations" as answers to our complaints.

I don't mind a cash shop with vanity items... but it's annoying to see overpriced, zero-effort stuff like this when they won't give us more inventory space, proper instanced systems for housing, or find fixes to any of the other big problems (that other MMOs don't seem to have trouble overcoming).

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This is going to make me sound like what some people like to call a "white knight," but whatever, I don't give a damn. Why do people spew this bs like every game is created equal? Like every budget is the same? Like every game engine has the same capabilities and the same limitations? Like every team is equally capable of the same feats?

Just. effing. stop.

"B-b-but this other MMO did so why can't you, SE?" because this isn't that other MMO. This is FFXIV. Why doesn't every MMO release quarterly content patches? Why doesn't every MMO allow you to be every class with one character? Why isn't every MMO designed to work on consoles? Because every game and the people working on them are different.

It sucks that we don't have more inventory space. It sucks that housing is so jacked up. It sucks that there's a host of other problems. It really does, but it sucks even more when Square Enix (specifically Yoshi-P and the rest of the staff), who have generally been very open and honest about such things continue to be open and honest, but people just cover their ears and scream "omg you guys are so lazy and greedy. Blizzard wouldn't have this problem!" And you're right. They would have other problems that people would complain about some other game solving. And that other game would have it's own share of issues and limitations that some other game probably doesn't have and so on and so on.

It also completely ignores the fact that The 18th Floor is one department in a very large corporation, and all their revenues get funneled up to Square Enix, who then remits the money back to them in the form of a yearly budget each March. Yoshi P has probably sat down with the budget committee and gone "hey guys we REALLY NEED MORE MONEY" and the SE team will grudgingly increase their budget by 10% or whatever next year because the game has done reasonably well.

Would have been clever of SE to make them 3% drops from Main Story Roulette (but only obtainable if your character didn't skip any cutscenes).

We have pretty much nothing to do in the game and they keep adding stuff to the cash shop instead of making more rewards that would give you a reason to run old content.

These could have been mounts for Bismark and Ravana, white for Bis and red for Ravana.

If it wasn't for the friends i made in this game i would probably quit right now.

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Originally Posted by Mercutial

Would have been clever of SE to make them 3% drops from Main Story Roulette (but only obtainable if your character didn't skip any cutscenes).

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Calm down, Satan ;)

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Originally Posted by Mercutial

Would have been clever of SE to make them 3% drops from Main Story Roulette Alex Savage (but only obtainable if your character didn't skip any cutscenes).

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fixed it a bit
You get already a mount for doing both Castrum Meridian first time.

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Originally Posted by Rose-Wild

These could have been mounts for Bismark and Ravana, white for Bis and red for Ravana.

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Would have completely failed the theme.
Better will be to save them up for the expansion with Ala Migho.

At the end of the day, the game is the companies. You do not know what does or does not go on with the cash shop sales, and people certainly cannot say what the best option is for them to do. If you don't like how they are running the game, quit. I really love the game but, at the end of the day ask yourself, do I? Or are they making choices I don't agree with? If they are, make a choice because they added the cash shop and its staying as far as I can tell.

So many people crying over cash shop and saying these should have been made drops from old content to encourage people going through old content to help newer people - this is dishonest and makes it appear like people actually care about the newer people trying to get through old content.

If they HAD been added to old content as a drop, those same people would be the first to complain about RNG and decry that SE should have made it a token system, so they only had to run the old content 5 times in order to get their new mounts. Screw the newbies right? As long as I get my new mount quickly, for free, and with little effort and no RNG.

It's just greed on part of the player base. You can't have everything for nothing. A subscription does not entitle you to whatever you want at no additional cost. SE are offering these products as optional extras. This is a big part of the real world and how it functions. You get to have those optional extras if you want to pay for them.

While I don't have a problem with the cash shop in general (although I wish they had not started putting old seasonal gear in it when it used to be purchasable in game for gil, even if only for a limited time) I do think that some of the more recent items are over priced. My general rule is I won't purchase any vanity-only item that costs more than my monthly sub.

I did buy the snowman minion though, since I was traveling last winter and could not get all the items from the starlight event. So I suppose they got me. /sigh

Does anybody else prefer the Red Baron over the White Devil?

Not going to lie, probably getting White Devil down the road >_>

Interesting they put the dream gear up there... going to cut into my profits.. that stuff has a great margin, when you can buy it for 47gil.. and sell for 6kish each.

Is it just me or did the fakeboob-dress of Minfilia get cheaper? o_o

Nope, still $15 USD for me. Unless they changed the price for the EU it is still the same.

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Originally Posted by Naria

Nope, still $15 USD for me. Unless they changed the price for the EU it is still the same.

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European prices are always a bit cheaper I believe (kinda glad Australia is put with EU). I just checked and it converts to about 11.15 USD, the mounts are 9 USD.

So many entitled brats in this thread.

Look, the price of subscription based MMO has been unchanged for almost 17 years now. Around 15 bucks for a standard sub has been unchanged for quite some time, give or take a dollar or two. You know what has changed in the last 17 years? Operation and development costs. There is also general inflation to deal with as well. Despite those increased costs, game companies have to keep these sub fees cheap because how many people would buy into an mmo if it costed $25 a month to play?

I am sure ffxiv is profitable with $15 a month, but this game is not a charity. Because of the increased costs of running an MMO is bounding upward, margins on profitability have to be shrinking considerably. A company has to adapt in these circumstances. Now, what would you like ffxiv to be? We could have a $25 sub MMO, A F2P MMO, or we can keep our $15 a month and have a cash shop filled with useless frills. Personally, I like the last option because the current cash shop is hardly required. As long as SE stays away from BS like level boosts and the like, I don't see any issues. We get to have our cake (keep our low sub price) and eat it too (whales subsidize the increased costs of running an MMO).

Will I buy these mounts? Nope, I don't want or need them and considering how much time we spend on our mounts (not very long) I don't think this is a huge deal. If anything, slephnir was a travesty since there is no real variant available. At least these two mounts that were recently added are variations on existing in-game mounts.

Do I dislike the cash shop? Sure, I hate it, but I also understand what it does. It insulates me from having to pay more money per month. I can choose to supplement my subscription at my own leisure by buying a minion or an extra retainer at my own discretion. I would not play this game if I had to pay $25 a month, so I am glad that we have the cash shop.

Just going to comment that I saw these mounts added to the game last week, and with the red and white color scheme I thought MAYBE they would be tied in with the Christmas event in-game. Instead they are using them for seasonal colors in the mogstation store.

Now maybe they didn't want a repeat of Halloween, where the broom mount was datamined a month early, and Yoshida has said that 3.15 will be before Christmas, so maybe they will add something before then... but as of now, there are NO new mounts, bardings, or minions added to the game for the seasonal event. There are only housing decorations, santa beards, and reindeer outfit pieces (the old costume looks to have been split into separate parts).

I don't want to sound selfish, and I hope I'm wrong, but it does look like they are prioritizing mogstation over in-game event rewards.

I got both mounts, no questions asked.