nothing is wrong with FFXI this must be your first FF game because they re-use classes theres alot of classes and we only have a fraction and thats counting ffxi & ffxiv jobs/classes. i rather have it be FFXI-2 than WoW-2 or if you really want them to stick it to you they can make it insanely hard and name it Everquest-SquareEnix editionQuote:
stop copying idea's from ffxi
stop copying idea's from ffxi (new jobs)
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10-09-2011, 04:13 PMindira
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10-09-2011, 04:38 PMBearforce
to make my point more clearer, what made this game Unique prior the patches is that it took a different sail direction then most mmo had, like making the armoury system, physical lvl and new named jobs.now i hate where this is going because in all honesty its molded into a typical ffxi.Yeah i know ff jobs are the bread and butter of the series but why in the first place make released classes like conj and gladiator in the first place when it is a FF games?
PS: to all the people assumed i didn't know about ff games, i know and i played every ff game except 4,5 and 6
@Felis is it like branching to other classes? and thanks for clarifying
@whoopeeragon if it improves gameplay then yeah but i dislike copying idea's, instead why not create idea's that differ then the other typical mmorpgs? -
10-09-2011, 05:49 PMwhoopeeragonAnd it is different. What other MMORPG lets you switch out of jobs/classes on-the-go? What other MMORPG has both a way to have both specialised and versatile role to choose from? What other MMORPG lets you create your own diverse character profile based on your player-driven choices to such an extent as this? It's not copying ideas if they're building up from the groundwork they've laid for this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bearforce
Have you not read other people's topic? Jobs are not 'copying' ideas; they have been a stable of the Final Fantasy series. It's HOW they use it which is different; in this case, being a specialised role for people to take advantage of in dynamic gameplay is nothing similar at all to the sub-job system of FFXI. Heck, the armoury system resembles the sub-job system more than the Job system does at the moment regarding information given to us.
And your post seems to make no sense. You ask why SE put Conjurer and Gladiator in if jobs are a stable (which is because they wanted something different but still has roots in those roles, obviously), then complain that they're putting jobs in? What? I repeat; the jobs in FFXI are totally different from what jobs are meant to be in FFXIV, as of current information. That they're the same name is of no use; their final basis is different in application and usage. -
10-09-2011, 05:53 PMShneibel
I am also dissappoint when hear the new job too...where is RED MAGE !? (have not play FFXI before but I want this class in FFXIV, saw a red mage concept art, I am sure red mage will lok better with FFXIV graphic)
ninja edit: I dont think the name of class will make it FFXI-2, the different that count are skill and play style and system, cos the name of class can be reuse every where -
10-09-2011, 07:59 PMDelsusThey tried somthing else unique as well, you know the market wards, everyone was saying they didnt get the FF feel with this game which was not there, Tanaka tried a differant aproach and it didnt work so Yoshi-P has to fix it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bearforce
Also if using jobs is copying FFXI (even though its not) then omg chocobos is copying FFXI, caravan escourts is copying every game, OMG YOUR JOKING WE HAVE FIGHTING WE ARE COPYING WOW, /sigh this game is becoming WoW-2 because we fight in it.
You cant make these stupid clames about one feature and that its "becoming FFXI-2" when it is nothing like FFXI. Jobs are not copying ideas they are bringing the FF to the game, which it was lacking before this patch.
PS OMG we have ifrit what a low level fight and a high level fight JUST LIKE FFXI its becoming a WoFFXI-2, you see how easy it is to say this about one feature??? -
10-09-2011, 08:06 PMoptions
Gimme blue mage. I'd love to hold out, prolonging the fights, hoping the lil buggers will pull off that skill i need to aquire, then shove it back in their face when i aquire it.
Jobs aren't making this game ffxi..... its making it FF. -
10-09-2011, 08:26 PMIsaaru
hey guys I think this game is copying ffxi because it has the "ffxi" part in "ffxiv" also they have chocobos now idk if thats good bc ffxi had it omg copying
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10-10-2011, 02:28 AMSoralis
im waiting for my SUMMONER! i want that job!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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10-10-2011, 02:52 AMJennestiaYou're in for a very long wait as we don't eve have the story that basically tells us "Yes you, player, can summon primals!" Even now we're basically slaughtering them so it's safe to say it will be a very long wait if at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Soralis
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10-10-2011, 02:53 AMSephrIt's just a shame most skills used by enemies in this game are so damn boring, or I'd be totally behind blue mage at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by options
Doesn't the story specifically state that we have the potential to summon them? It's more that you'd bind yourself to one primal and hate all the others, though that could change in the future. I could see it turning into some situation where we slay the primals then revive them at a later point to help vs. the Garleans and dalamud or whatever, under the condition they help us... Purely a guess at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennestia
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10-10-2011, 03:17 AMJennestiaThe story is two-fold, since summoners throughout history FF history were capable of summoning multiple either through trials or training, i.e Rydia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephr
The main exception was Tina, whom was basically an Esper herself. It's why we need a continuation of the story in order to even become a summoner siince currently, nothing is really driving us to allowing it to be a class or job, especially given that we're basically set to kill one of the staple Summons in the series. So unless it all leads to an epic build up of ending up with Carbuncle as our first summon again then we end up summoning a new set, it seems they're tying Primals (summons) a lot more heavily into the story this time around. -
10-10-2011, 03:54 AMToxsik
Personally I am super excited about the new jobs one thing though I feel like most all of them are already in-game,... Just better versions of ones we have now... Now if they plan to rename current jobs and increase the level cap to add more job specific abilities to fine tune the current jobs into said "new" jobs that would be okay to me. Or my idea of a advanced job "tree system" would be cool too.
So the "new" jobs announced and the jobs they are similar to and would probably make the current ones obsolete.
gladiator >>> paladin
conjurer >>> white mage
thaumaturge >>> black mage
lancer >>> dragoon (minus the pet of course)
pugilist >>> monk
marauder >>> warrior
bard... only one that seems to be kinda new
Now that being said can anyone not see the similarities and feel the new version will kill the old versions?
Like i said rename um raise the cap make new abilities to make them feel more targeted to those classes or my tree system idea, which is as follows:
1. Raise the lvl cap (to o.O 75 yeah i said it)
2. Make the current jobs "base jobs" meaning you HAVE to pick one and lvl it to 50 before you can do quests to unlock that "base jobs" advanced jobs
3. example: you raise marauder to 50. it has 3 advanced jobs it can unlock like: dark knight, samurai, Warrior you do the quest and can now switch to that class which will start you at lvl50 and as you lvl "dark knight" start giving you dark knight specific abilities.
REcap: To me that way you don't just kill the current jobs and you get more balanced roles.
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10-10-2011, 04:03 AMSephrYeah I expect it will be quite a while before we see them, for one thing we haven't really encountered enough beastmen races to get the 'full set' as it were. I do hope the designs of the other primals are feral looking like Ifrit, to suit their nature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennestia
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10-10-2011, 04:22 AMDelsusThe only exception I could see is FFXIII when each character could summon 1 esper, like snow had Shiva, lightning had Odin, fang had Bahamut, Hope has Alexander.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jennestia
But on the whole I do believe if they release summoner you should beable to summon all primals they introduce, also they could later on say that we only sevearly wounded the primals, not killed them there is alot they could do with the current story. -
10-10-2011, 04:40 AMzaviermhigo
Some people want jobs, and some people dont. People who like cross classing might stay on their job, they might say "i need this moves from these classes to beat this content", but for ifrit, beastman strongholds, and crap, yeah I bet jobs will be better. I bet if you didn't get your main class to 50, lets say you have conj 30 when jobs come out, if you get a party of 8 with all jobs together, you can level your conj and whm simultaneously. Your job and class share rank. So when Jobs come out I'll prob be a 50 blm. I just don't get how they automatically makes classes obsolete. That's a player decision. Jobs are for end gamier things, so if people only shout for leveling groups with jobs, it would be kinda retarded. But if people shout for Ifrit fight, strongholds, and dungeons looking jobs, that's what there meant for, this content was made for jobs and released early for content criers.
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10-10-2011, 07:12 AMSoralis
oh i mean u all are right in a way, and yes i know it will be long until they add a summoner job, but they must add them, i mean for me summoners are the only class that i love and only in ff games, in every ff game my fav chars were those who can summon, but it shouldn't be like ff13 each char to summon a primal of your choice then summoner will not be a job just a spell. anyway i'm looking forward to shiva and bahamut if they make them
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10-10-2011, 07:16 AMVischGo away, go play WoW or something this game needs to be ffxi 2Quote:
Originally Posted by Bearforce
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10-10-2011, 10:52 AMTeknoman
So gifthorse evolved into a bear?
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10-10-2011, 10:58 AMIsaaru
trolololololololololololololol
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10-10-2011, 11:21 AMSpellbinderEvolved into a bear and still hasn't lost the ability to take something small and turn it into a huge thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teknoman
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