Optional item request: Legacy Goobue mount

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Originally Posted by Seig345

So, Goobbue? Whatevs, sure, throw it in the cash shop along with the Lightning stuff. But it most certainly is not in the same category as the tattoo or the Legacy chocobo.

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Yes, it is. At least in the sense that SE went out of their way to say the mount wouldn't be available after a certain period. It was a limited time offer that ended even before the servers were shut down. People just tend to call it a legacy item because that's the easiest way to refer to anything that predates 1.0 even if it wasn't technically part of the legacy campaign.

Uh Oh just NO :) some stuff should be only obtainable by actually playing the game :) if you want to support the game go buy retainers, or dyes :P

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Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

Yes, it is. At least in the sense that SE went out of their way to say the mount wouldn't be available after a certain period. [...]

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Yes, all three were "one time events", however the Goobbue (like the Lightning Strikes event) was literally just a one time event, which could have just as easily occurred in the early days of A Realm Reborn instead. "Hey you guys, here's a fun quest with a reward that won't be available once the event's over!" pretty much sums up both the Goobbue and Lightning Strikes events. There will obviously be more one-time events moving forward, the rewards for these will also fall into the same category as the Goobbue mount and Lightning items.

However, it's highly unlikely at this point that 2.0-onwards will ever see a catastrophic failure leading to another overhaul resulting in another 1.0-2.0-like character transfer (Tattoos) and the Legacy Campaign (Legacy Chocobo). The intent behind these was vastly different from those behind the Goobbue or Lightning items.

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Originally Posted by Tanthalas

absolutely love this. I am a legacy player and many aspects of the game were garbage but it was also a highly enjoyable game. I still wish they had some aspects of it in this version.... original aurum vale was so much better than current version. the hamlet defense was also fun.... providing you didn't have to farm it, successfully triple melding when the loss would have been horrifying (though happy this isn't the case anymore lol

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This just brought back melding my bow... *rocks in the corner* please no more....

In any case, I can understand the desire for these items, however I I feel like much that was special in 1.0 has already been carried over already. Think of the darklight gear etc. Much of the current gear we have now in low levels are reskinned from 1.0. Some things just need to be left alone, let the people who were there have something that they can look back on and know the story behind those items.

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Originally Posted by Lycinder

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I'm sorry but am I the only one who thinks every post you've made so far sounds something along the lines of "whine, cry, pretend to be better than legacy players"? There were a few like you on the 2.0 beta forums which is why we actually found you a theme song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ_eBTkB-rs give it a listen. *retreats to her little corner*

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Originally Posted by Velthice

As a legacy player I'm glad 1.x is dead an never coming back. Even in 1.23 it was not fun to play. It was slow, plodding and terrible. I will glady take a simplified battle system that's actually fun, over the clunkiest trainwreck that took forever that was 1.anything. Go look up the fight with nael van darnus at the end of 1.23. The fight took 20 minutes (which should tell you something is wrong right there) and for like 99% of the fight it's just people stacked on top of each other slowly casting weaponskills. Boy howdy, what fun that was! It was a bad game, it was always a bad game. It got less bad as it went along but it never stopped being a bad game. Now it's dead and it's never coming back. Good riddance.

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LOL and the combat system in this version is good? Sorry but no it's terrible old and boring, I would take the more complex system anyday as atm I am bored out of my skull with combat in this game.

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Originally Posted by Kathryn

LOL and the combat system in this version is good? Sorry but no it's terrible old and boring, I would take the more complex system anyday as atm I am bored out of my skull with combat in this game.

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Dem animation locks and shitty spell display though.

What battle system. The game was nothing but a bunch of polygons attempting to make broken animations with spells that had broken tooltips and stats that didn't even work correctly.

"Complex", right.

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Originally Posted by Seig345

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The goobbue is different from a special event like Lightning's though. Yoshi-P's The Wandering Minstrel's dialogue explains his new role in reshaping the game and how he probably would have never come so far if it weren't for the continuous support of the players. The goobbue horn is a literal thank you to players for sticking with a pile of hot garbage. It would make zero sense for them to ever re-release the exact same red-carpeted one.

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Originally Posted by Kathryn

LOL and the combat system in this version is good? Sorry but no it's terrible old and boring, I would take the more complex system anyday as atm I am bored out of my skull with combat in this game.

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The only thing complex about the old combat system was trying to accurately describe how terrible it was. It looked clunky and it played even worse.

1.0 was more using skills tactfully than it was 2.0s break dancing to avoid damage. The system was designed with animation lock in mind.

Different strokes for different folk I guess. Much prefer 1.o combat with real weight behind your attacks and comitment.

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Originally Posted by Khemorex

Uh Oh just NO :) some stuff should be only obtainable by actually playing the game :) if you want to support the game go buy retainers, or dyes :P

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We support the game already by paying monthly.
It's absolutely ridiculous we have to pay for MORE INVENTORY SLOTS, and God damn dye's.


Anyway, I think some Legacy stuff should stay just for them.
We cannot have every single thing guys.

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Originally Posted by Seig345

Yes, all three were "one time events", however the Goobbue (like the Lightning Strikes event) was literally just a one time event

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Lightning strikes was far from a one time event. They made that perfectly clear when they did it 4 TIMES.
And much like the Lurtnin event, people where given plenty of oppertunity and warnings before the cutoff.

Just this

http://i.imgur.com/1DZG71f.jpg

As someone that started midway...

No thanks. Legacy players can have their status symbols.

I'm sure this thread spawned from the Moonlet Earring appearing on the cash shop. Thing that makes the Moonlet Earring different from the Minstrel Goobbue is it's means of obtainment. The Moonlet Earring was an event reward, to celebrate(?) the start of the Dalamud storyline. The Minstrel Goobbue was a genuine side-quest, whose rewards weren't in celebration of anything, it was just a side-quest. As such, it wasn't tied to any event, even though it did receive advertising unheard of for any side-quests before nor since that didn't involve Hildibrand. So far Square hasn't made a single non-event side-quest reward available on the cash shop, not even the Hildibrand or Trail of the Twelve rewards. I personally think the the Sylph Goobbue is a perfectly good substitute. As for the 'older one is taller, it's not. Not anymore, anyway, as the Sylph Goobbue is literally just a reskin.

The Legacy goobooboo.. Gubu. Gababuuu. Whever it is called. Is the Only thing from 1.0 I have... aside from a kimono like dress I got during an event. I think it is unique to 1.0? I feel special having it anyways.


But overall I say if people want to pay Real money for it. Let them.

But I do also like and support the idea of keeping things the way they are.

I see merit in both ideas and as a gABuuBoo owner I support either direction square takes.

As a Legacy player, the only thing that needs to remain exclusive is the Tattoo and the Tattoo'd Chocobo.

Everything else, can be put back into the game AS LONG AS THE ORIGINAL CONDITIONS TO OBTAIN THEM COME WITH IT

I am a legacy player. And while I'm not particularly attached to my legacy-specific mounts. However, I would not want them to go do this.

The reason is, this was one of the first, full on promises Yoshida gave us, and he's held fast to it. I'd rather not encourage a concept of promises with expatriation dates on them.

Looking at this thread, i have to say that Legacy players are some of the most entitled players I've seen in any game. Yes, you've stuck around in failing game are are already being rewarded for it. But must they bash people for requesting 1.0 items?

They only pay less than $10/month for subscribing to 1.0 for at least 90 days and they talk about "privileges"

Not all of us only subbed for 90 days. I subbed as soon as they came active and was subbed until the final month that we could. Some of us stuck around and supported the game even when it was failing. Yes it got better. No it was not up to par by the end. Funny thing is, you find people helping out randoms a lot more on legacy servers (from what I've seen between playing on both) and are more willing to help. It's generally the non legacy population that has a problem with it. In the beta forums there were large posts about how people weren't going to let legacy players in their parties etc. I was glad to see that this didn't transfer over in game however it seems it's alive and well on the fourms.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Looking at this thread, i have to say that Legacy players are some of the most entitled players I've seen in any game. Yes, you've stuck around in failing game are are already being rewarded for it. But must they bash people for requesting 1.0 items?

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This. I was honestly pretty disgusted with some of the responses to the OP in that moonlet earring thread a while back, not to mention the double standard around here where it's not okay to ask that all 2.x exclusives remain exclusive yet it's perfectly okay to bash others for requesting 1.x items, as if legacies are the only ones in this game who deserve exclucivity. Personally, I'd rather not see any of it brought back in any way, including the things I missed out on as well as the things I have, and would like to see plenty of new one time events for the new players because I feel that if a select group of players deserve to be exclusive, then we all do.

I also think that it's perfectly fine to have missed out on something and never have it come back around again (I was prepared to do that myself with the lightning event, since I only caught the anniversary run of it last aug/sept-ish, and at the time I started playing, I was okay with having missed them as long as I'd eventually have a shot at something else), and that it's a bit unrealistic (and unfair to others) to just assume that you should be given all the things, but that it's also unfair to just tear into someone for simply asking if one item or event can be brought back. They still have the right to ask.

Admittedly though, this thread has been a bit tamer than ones I've seen in the past from what I've read of it, it's at least nice to see some non-toxic replies coming from 1.0 players whether they agree or disagree that it should be brought back, and I gotta agree with those who feel that 2.0 already has a goobue mount, no reason to bring the other one back at all.

I just wish the mount would have been account bound...not character, I hate my 1.0 character :'(

Legacy player here. On vacation when the Gobbue was abavilabe and I missed out on it. Couldn't care less.

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Originally Posted by KyteStones

Legacy player here. On vacation when the Gobbue was abavilabe and I missed out on it. Couldn't care less.

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Spoken like a true hero.



I really don't understand why people want the original Goobbue mount. Isn't the laurel Goobbue enough? It's practically the same thing.

Vanity items are true end game. Where have you been?

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Originally Posted by Karalie

I'm sorry but am I the only one who thinks every post you've made so far sounds something along the lines of "whine, cry, pretend to be better than legacy players"? There were a few like you on the 2.0 beta forums which is why we actually found you a theme song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ_eBTkB-rs give it a listen. *retreats to her little corner*

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No in fact I was just telling the other person that looking down on people just because the weren't 1.0 players and saying that 2.0 caters to a "mouthbreather" community was a shitty attitude and then I got offtopic from that about what constitutes grind and mindnumbing grind and tried to refocus on the fact they had a shitty attitude.

I don't think I am better then legacy players but I do look down on people with a shitty attitude.

Because we can't get everything, I guess.
I would personally love to have the Legacy Chocobo as its description states it's your bird from 1.0 and I had grinded to get my Chocobo whistle back then (I guess that means my bird died? q_q), buuut it's not happening. Isn't the Sylph one a reskin anyway? Pretty sure Goobbue isn't taller than Laurel Goobbue.

I would buy it. Your cheaper legacy subscription is thanks enough, stop being greedy.

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Originally Posted by Titor

stop being greedy.

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Do you actually mean that?
Do you really and earnestly think that the people who bothered to get these limited items, to stick with 1.0, even into subscription, are being greedy because they'd like these special items to remain special is greedy? That these symbols of appreciation should be made readily available to all because you want the same mount with a carpet in place of a crown?
Greed is the intense and selfish desire for something. How exactly would you qualify your own want?

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Originally Posted by Mahri

NO.

Come on, I'm not even a Legacy player and I'd love me that goobbue as bad as anyone but this would be the worst thing. The people who earned it did so by playing a game that was absolute garbage. Let them wear it as a badge of honor for suffering through 1.0, as they do their tattoos and scorched chocobos.

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I think Goobue's are silly looking mounts, so I don't care one way or another. What I do care about is the idea of rewarding Legacy players over and over again for sticking with the game (a game which was free to play for a *very* long time because of the issues it had).

Simply put, it was likely many of these players who loved the original incarnation of FFXIV who also stood in the way of feedback to change/improve the game back during beta (when that feedback was needed the most). Back then you couldn't make a complaint about FFXIV without its biggest fans coming at you with torch, pitchfork, and a whole lot of trolling. In the end they were the ones left with the game because they had helped chased everyone else off, and in the process contributing to the disaster that it was.

But, by all means, keep patting them on the back. :P

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Originally Posted by Gyson

Simply put, it was likely many of these players who loved the original incarnation of FFXIV who also stood in the way of feedback to change/improve the game back during beta (when that feedback was needed the most). Back then you couldn't make a complaint about FFXIV without its biggest fans coming at you with torch, pitchfork, and a whole lot of trolling. In the end they were the ones left with the game because they had helped chased everyone else off, and in the process contributing to the disaster that it was.

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I don't think you understand... No1 liked 1.0. The sheer amount of fanboyism, white knighting, and absurd defense arguments during 1.0 was staggering!! It puts the console war to shame. I truly believe there are people that would buy a box filled with dogshit if you put a final fantasy logo on it.

http://i.imgur.com/P3STR.jpg

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Originally Posted by Gyson

I think Goobue's are silly looking mounts, so I don't care one way or another. What I do care about is the idea of rewarding Legacy players over and over again for sticking with the game (a game which was free to play for a *very* long time because of the issues it had).

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"Over and over again"? They're not (and should not) adding any additional rewards for Legacy players. This is just about sticking to a finite couple of promises made back then. The limited nature of all the v1 and Legacy crap was widely publicized; if it was that important to you to get this stuff I guess you should have?

Folks keep saying Legacy users are "greedy". How is this need to have everything they earned by supporting trainwreck v1 long enough for it to make it to v2 not greed?

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Originally Posted by squidbunny

"Over and over again"? They're not (and should not) adding any additional rewards for Legacy players. This is just about sticking to a finite couple of promises made back then. The limited nature of all the v1 and Legacy crap was widely publicized; if it was that important to you to get this stuff I guess you should have?

Folks keep saying Legacy users are "greedy". How is this need to have everything they earned by supporting trainwreck v1 long enough for it to make it to v2 not greed?

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You should have included the rest of my quote, as it addressed your comments.

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Originally Posted by Whocareswhatmynameis

I don't think you understand... No1 liked 1.0. The sheer amount of fanboyism, white knighting, and absurd defense arguments during 1.0 was staggering!! It puts the console war to shame. I truly believe there are people that would buy a box filled with dogshit if you put a final fantasy logo on it.

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and it still is going on. There always is a fervent defender of whatever oddball decision comes down the pipe. From the sounds of it, the volume of oddball decisions has gotten smaller (which is good) but the defense of them is just as vigorous (which is not). I wish more people could enjoy something but be able to accept that it has faults.

OP: I'm not a legacy player and truthfully I don't mind them keeping the legacy awards as exclusive. There isn't much in the game that is truly exclusive and them having minor bits of shininess seems okay to me. Had I not come from WoW, which was laden with things that came once and then never came back, I probably would care more, but Blizzard beat that out of me.

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Originally Posted by Gyson

You should have included the rest of my quote, as it addressed your comments.

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The rest of your comment addressed nothing from mine, and had nothing to do with your main idea about rewarding Legacy players "over and over again", or the OP, or the limitation of certain items. The rest of your comment sounded like a bunch of petulance about things you weren't around for. Yes, there was white knighting. No, Legacy players weren't responsible for how broken v1 was. I am a Legacy player, specifically because I was excited about the direction Yoshi P and his team purported to be taking the game in and I wanted to support it. I bought it for $8 off eBay long after launch, which I avoided after playing the horrific beta. V1 was awful. It was awful. It doesn't matter if a handful of people enjoyed a handful of things about it. It was unsustainable regardless because the vast majority of people found it awful. That's not at issue.

It's worth pointing out that there is precendent to SE taking a previously-1.0 exclusive item and making it available to everyone in 2/3.0:

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...m/65b9ed2a045/

The Star-spangled subligar was originally a quest reward for finishing the last available Fisher quest at level 36 in 1.23. When 2.0 launched with the completely new Guild quests that ran all the way to 50, they completely did away with the old quest system and the item because unavailable to anyone who hadn't completed the old quest...that is until they added it as a reward for finishing the Postmoogle quest chain a few months ago.

In this way the item reward was very similar to the level 30 Wandering Minstrel quest that became unavailable to anyone who hadn't completed it by 2.0 launch. So there IS a possibility that SE will re-introduce the old Goobbue mount item as a reward for some future quest chain.

If I'm being honest, when they re-added the subligar I was initially upset that my item was no longer "special" to me and a select few, but over time I'm glad that more people have had the opportunity to share in what is a pretty unique and cool-looking item. In this way if they ever added a way to obtain the mount, I would probably be a little sad at first, but also happy that a greater amount of people can enjoy a cool-looking mount.

That said, as far as the Legacy chocobo/mark are concerned, SE did explicitly say those would be unique rewards to players with "Legacy" status, and I think it'd be better if they stuck to their word on that. Any other 1.0 item, though (looking at you, Onion set!) I can understand why they'd bring back.

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Originally Posted by Emstidor

[SNIP] Any other 1.0 item, though (looking at you, Onion set!) I can understand why they'd bring back.

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Just as a side note, you can get pieces of the onion set from ventures I believe. I have 2 pairs of the shoes and I'm pretty sure I only had one full set with no extras at the end of 1.xx. I don't actually remember when or how I got the extra shoes but I think it must've been via ventures.

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Originally Posted by VarinaVashai

There is a reason we are legacy we enjoy Final Fantasy with depth and substance, we supported 1.0 after its failed launch. Due to its unfinished rushed release, it had issues. But it also had alot of potential, we remain loyal to square enix and support them. We hope that someday they will provide the world with the quality it deserves, but all we have gotten so far is a game design that breeds mouthbreathers. That cant even handle the optional quests in matoya's cave because they didnt get an UI to light up and hold their hand, and they would have been forced to think but that hurts for that kind of player. So we return to waiting, because we have patience.

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Wow. Just wow.

*cough* Yeah, uh. That person doesn't speak for all Legacy players.

IN SUMMARY AND IN CONCLUSION. No v1 apologism from me; 2 is great and I'm pleased with its direction and community (generally?), but I'd like certain things to be kept out of the cash shop if it was suggested their availability was limited, and going back to something someone said on a previous page, this includes things from v2 that were presented in a way that suggested they couldn't be obtained in the future.

ITT: All of the sudden people love a failed game that they hated to the ground.

Well, wonder why we're here today lol.