Yes, I am sure. It was in one of the streams right after the trailer came out. They had the head of SE Movie team and Soken as guests, and they discussed the time constraints. I am not sure if it is recorded anywhere...Quote:
Originally Posted by Frederick22
So about the "warrior of darkness" [spoiler]
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08-01-2015, 02:52 PMGrayve
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08-01-2015, 02:55 PMFrederick22So you said that the heavensward movie trialer is compose on differet time lines of the story?Quote:
Originally Posted by Grayve
That those events we will happen on a near future?
But I believe you on the mistake, It makes sense if it was Nidhog the ones that atacks the hyur on the steps of faith and that leads tht massive army of dragons. But it pissed me off that they made something that didnt make sense at all.
If you have the PS3 expansion you see an af2 draggon fighting with the white dragon when it should be Nidhoog, and they just let that to happen? e.e -
08-01-2015, 02:58 PMGrayveWhat? I don't know where you are getting that. When I said "time constraints" I am talking about how the team had to work long hours to get the trailer out in time for the release date.Quote:
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08-01-2015, 03:05 PMFrederick22My bad, I misunderstood what you said, I think you respond to someone that said something of what I meaned.Quote:
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But getting back to the movie trailer, all those concept arts with the white dragon ( complicated name xd ) and the af2 dragoon, you said all that shouldnt suppose to happen that way? -
08-01-2015, 03:14 PMGrayveIn the move trailer itself (As this was the only thing addressed)Quote:
Originally Posted by Frederick22
Yoshi P and the FF14 give the Square Enix Visual Arts (SEVA) team the storyboard and concept art of all the dragons, and what they want in the trailer.
SEVA, which handles ALL the CG movies across all games, starts work on the movie. They were also, it seems, working on at least the FF7 re-release trailer, and FF15 cinematics, at this time.
They prepare the first demonstration of the trailer for HW, and show the FF14 team. At some point, the art for Hraesfalger and Nidhogg have gotten mislabeled or switched.
Yoshi P and the FF14 team see this, and request they fix it. The SEVA team responds that if they do that, they won't be able to meet the Heavensward release date. (Remember, work on the movies takes over a year to complete).
Yoshi P then has to decide: release a slightly wrong trailer, or release no trailer.
So, Hraersfalger appears in the trailer where Nidhogg should have been. Note that the head of SEVA didn't actually know their names, and only called them 'white' dragon and 'black' dragon.
As for other drawing and concept art released to the public, no mention was made, to my knowledge. -
08-01-2015, 03:50 PMFrederick22Simple wow xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Grayve
That explains lots of things, like why Hraevelgar is the one fighting with the hyur. Didnt make any sense oh well xD
I hope they fix it some day, they can just keep showing this trailer with those mistakes xD -
08-01-2015, 04:46 PMWyrahFhurrstThey're not going to go back and change it. That would take resources away from newer projects.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frederick22
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08-01-2015, 11:12 PMFrederick22You gotta admit that. that "mistake" make confuse to a lot of people xDQuote:
Originally Posted by WyrahFhurrst
When they did the end of an era video, the movie had more connection with the game,, but the heavensward, despite is was really good, I dont denied it. It wa sno conexion whatsoever with the events of the story. -
08-02-2015, 12:05 AMGrayve
End of an Era was for the loyal players of F1.0.
HW was an advert to potential players.
Those teaser are not meant to be 'real'.
They are meant to be eye catching. -
08-02-2015, 03:29 AMFrederick22doesnt mean that needs to be something total different to the story xdQuote:
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But that a difference of opinion -
08-02-2015, 05:37 PMfireslash
WoD has the same set as this
http://i61.tinypic.com/w9te9j.jpg
if from ff3 then they actually tend to bring void .... Light vs darkness cancels each other -
08-03-2015, 04:56 PMSpookRooster
You know, I remembered something. Remember that cutscene aboard the enterprise when the Warrior of Light manifests? What could that have been? I don't think that was ever talked about ever again. It certainly wouldn't surprise me if the Warrior of Light is some sort of primal or some other strange being.
Speaking of which, I have another question to add to this. Do you think the Warrior of Darkness stands a chance against the Warrior of Light? The Warrior of Light draws their power from Hydaelyn - a living god. The Warrior of Darkness can't be strong enough since the mirror opposite, Zodiark is currently dead. That's why I think the Ascians aren't truly the villains and that they just want balance. But of course, in order to revive Zodiark, they need to weaken Hydaelyn. Seems like a quest for balance to me. That darkened image of the Warrior of Light Thordan sees before his death seems to symbolize just what the WoL is in this telling of the figure.
Wouldn't be at all surprised if Hydaelyn turned out to be the final boss of the final expansion, either. -
08-03-2015, 06:43 PMMimiru_SWhat part of the story did this happen? Having trouble recalling it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpookRooster
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08-03-2015, 06:49 PMSpookRoosterThink it was before Garuda? I remember something about Cid's Garlean eye and seeing the Warrior of Light appear before him to give him...something. I don't remember the details, but I do remember the WoL appearing before him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mimiru_S
EDIT: From the FFWiki - "Cid defected from Garlemald with his shop-hands Biggs and Wedge, it is then he is given a pair of goggles by the the Adventurer who had brought them to him with the Echo."
EDITAGAIN: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gfgj...youtu.be&t=283 It couldn't have been symbolic. He flatout tells the player that he recognized you...which also makes no sense. -
08-03-2015, 06:54 PMWalluh
Derplander being in cinematic trailers and being physically in the game are two very different things.
Derplander exists in CG trailers because Square can't magically CG all of our PCs and have our own personal cinematics. Ingame? They can do whatever they want in terms of appearance and gear. -
08-03-2015, 07:03 PMSpookRoosterHave we even seen the CG "warrior of light" alongside Tataru and Alphinaud or anyone else? He enters Ishgard alone in the main menu cinematic. Maybe he's not meant to represent the Warrior of Light at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walluh
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08-03-2015, 07:17 PMWalluhHe is shown fleeing Ul'dah after 2.55's events, having flashbacks of events only we saw, showing emotional investment in characters he wouldn't know otherwise, and ended up fleeing to the point he had to take refuge in Ishgard..which we were the only ones to really do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpookRooster
Not to mention he's also seen with Cid, if I recall correctly.
And, a bit nitpicky, but the Warrior questline at least implies we're the only non-Hellsguard (from outside that clan, in my case) warrior running around. Where'd he get that crystal? -
08-03-2015, 07:23 PMSpookRoosterYes, but light and darkness are both two sides of the same coin, are they not? The Warrior of Darkness could've been with us that whole time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walluh
http://images.akamai.steamuserconten...7B0CAE3EA5585/
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...f_Darkness.png
Ooookay, it shrank the second picture. They were both the same size before. -
08-03-2015, 08:29 PMWalluh
If that's what they're going for, I really, really hope they make it extra special for DRK players.
If you've played the DRK line, you know who I'm referring to. -
08-03-2015, 09:17 PMMilesSaintboroguhI don't think they would do that since the devs would want everyone to be given the same treatment in the main story.Quote:
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08-03-2015, 09:27 PMSpookRoosterI think Esteem and the Warrior of Darkness represent two different kinds of darkness. Esteem, the violent darkness that creeps around in everyone, ready to be unleashed and the Warrior of Darkness; the champion of the second half of balance. I hope when we meet the Warrior of Darkness, he'll be a swell guy, but you'll have to fight anyways. Not necessarily because either Warrior is evil, but because the balance is thrown off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walluh
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08-03-2015, 11:46 PMMimiru_SI don't know. To me, it just seems like that past vision of the WoL was from the WoL using the power of the echo in the present, as you, Cid and Alphinuad are headed towards Garuda. When he says he 'recognized' you, sounds more like he just sensed who the vision was. Minfilia said you can interact with the past, using the echo but can't ultimately change an outcome. Maybe he always ended up with the goggles, but the echo allowed us to show a vision of ourselves giving it to him. I could be completely wrong and probably am, lol. Just don't buy into the theory that the WoL is a primal.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpookRooster
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08-04-2015, 12:03 AMKalleraQuote:
Originally Posted by SpookRooster
I think that best description of what you eventually face in the drk storyline is a jungian shadow, given form by your interaction with the DRK soulstone.
While this doesn't rule out doppelgangers, time travel, clones, or alternate universe "you", The warrior of darkness is a chosen person, not a piece of your psyche. I doubt he'd know anything, save what we actually did.
Which would be quite the funny misunderstanding if he happened to echo a DRK during "declaration of blood", and thinking we do that all day. -
08-04-2015, 12:40 AMFrederick22Sorry but you are wrong it cople of things, You misunderstood lots of things, also you should check the comments of the pages before you before tring to write it beacuse it was already being discused.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpookRooster
1- you need to do drk beacuse you have no idea of what you talking
2 - the GC wol is the default was, so yes he is me and you, is everyone, the wod is gonna be our oposite. Like the GC represents all the wols, that orther dark hyur is the one that represents all wods
3 - Who said Zodiark is dead?. "So our god might be reborn" That doesnt mean nothing. Zodiark is very well alive, the ascians are the prove. You think we would be alive if Hydaelyn would be dead? I just think Zodiark is like on an slumber.
4 - That was a echo vision. We have evidence enought that he is not a primal. Common mortal, not. He is something totaly different.
5 - You misundertood the thing of "restoring the balance". The ascian ceary dont care any balance, our power represents a great danger to their plans, this balance they spoke of was on bringing someone of our equivalent power, aka the wod. There no such thing of a misbalance -
08-04-2015, 01:37 AMAlberelI don't think anyone is in a position to conclusively say anything on any of those points yet so I think stating anyone is outright wrong is a little premature until we have more information.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frederick22
I will point out though that Elidibus says that "equilibrium must needs be restored" and equilibrium means balance. The entire light and darkness duality we have in the game so far is very clearly based on FFIII and the introduction of the WoD only confirms that so it is very very likely that the issue of the 'balance' is going to be important.
We still don't know what exactly the Ascians were trying to get us to do; all we know is that we've deviated from the path they hoped to lead us down and are now a liability in their plans. We have no reason to believe the balance of light and dark isn't in the Ascians' interests to maintain. Elidibus also seems to have a different, possibly less destructive, agenda to the others so of all of them he would be the one I would expect to be concerned about balance. -
08-04-2015, 02:20 AMFrederick22He means that beacuse there is no one with our same power, thats why the WoD shows up. He is someone that has the power to challenge us, withouth the WoD he would become an unstopable force that will eventually end the ascians plans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alberel
I didnt said nothing about Elidibus's plans, I have see cleary enought that the ascians arent playing like a party, I would think that the orther Ascians dont care how many destruction and death needs to be so Zodiark would rise again and that Elidibus sees that there a much well and peacefull solution. -
08-04-2015, 06:39 AMSpookRooster1 - I did do drk. My profile says 59, but it hasn't updated it a while. I finished that job story entirely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frederick22
2 - We didn't fully see the Warrior of Darkness, but from behind, he looks no different from the CG Warrior of Light. That's going to be some weird shit for the non gilsellers who stuck with the default design if he really just copies the "Warrior of Light" from trailers. If the Warrior of Light is really meant to look like derplander and Elidibus sends Warrior of Darkness over, we'd have to keep him away from everyone else to avoid confusion for the people who didn't make a new character. Then again, I guess "Warrior of Light" is currently wearing the 60 dragoon armour? But we'll just have to see what Square does with WoD.
3 - "So our god might be reborn" implies Zodiark is dead. What else would it mean? We've seen that an Ascian's power is no match for Warrior of Light's. If Zodiark were reborn, they might be evenly matched.
4 - Yes, maybe something else. Something much more dangerous.
5 - Of course it represents a danger to their plans - Warrior of Light completely spanks the Ascians every time they fight. Even 13 primals at once couldn't defeat the Warrior of Light and just simply doing whatever destroyed the wall Midgardsormr built to block Hydaelyn's blessing. Poor Warrior of Darkness might be obliterated, but what else do the Ascians have against a clearly unbalanced universe? -
08-04-2015, 07:28 AMFrederick22Not the first time I have to deal with ppl that wants to believe their own theoryes with total lack of evidence, Im not gonna start a show to debate on what are you wrong. So ok believe what you wantQuote:
Originally Posted by SpookRooster
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08-04-2015, 09:30 AMMholitoI'm sorry! But this has to be said:Quote:
Originally Posted by Frederick22
This is very much a case of the pot calling the kettle back. You are always presenting your interpretation of things as if it was the undeniable truth, while denying anyone else's interpretation solely because they differ from yours. Your assumptions are just as likely to be wrong as anyone else's. Please stop acting like you know more than the rest of us, because you DON'T! -
08-04-2015, 09:49 AMWyrahFhurrstI'm sorry, but you are being very rude, not just with that derogatory "quote," but with your comment on it. You yourself propose less than excellent ideas, many of which I simply cannot understand due to the poor language they are written in. You really shouldn't put others down simply because they decide to speculate, which this forum is for (which I believe you've been told by others previously). What evidence do you have that makes you so sure the character that looks very much so like the CG Midlander, is anything but? I myself thinks he looks quite similar to him and would be quite interested in finding out if the two are one and the same. So please, keep your insults to yourself.Quote:
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08-04-2015, 09:57 AMPArcher
At this point, its just as likely that the WoD is actually a magic cotton candy teddy bear who's taken the form of a shadowed Derplander to bring a sugarry high to all of Eorzea as it is any other theory
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08-04-2015, 11:36 AMKaiser-AceAll we'd need to stop that is an army of suger crazy Lalafelles. Most of the Lalafelles I know always act like they hit the expresso to hard. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by PArcher
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08-04-2015, 12:20 PMT2teddySpookrooster's post was not a 'nonsense comment'. Not a bit. Her rebuttals were fine.Quote:
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You on the other hand are being decidedly RUDE by using such patronizing replacements in quotes. Your 'theories' are also JUST theories, Frederick22. Kindly stop insisting only YOU are right. -
08-04-2015, 05:36 PMWalluh
I'm just going to pretend the WoD is Lolorito, Dewlala and an ominously smirking Tataru standing on top of each other in a Derplander costume.
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08-04-2015, 05:42 PMFrederick22sir, pls dont go off topicQuote:
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08-04-2015, 05:44 PMSpookRoosterNo, Elidibus is Lolorito, Dewlala and Tataru. Warrior of Darkness is that Crystal Brave who pisses himself at Mor Dhona at the thought of having to battle you in the city. Why else would he be obscured? If we saw him piss himself again, his threat would go away too easily.Quote:
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08-11-2015, 12:42 AMEisen-Zorn
The Warrior of Darkness and The Esteem are completely different. The Warrior of Darkness is quite possibly "evil", but The Esteem is purely a manifestation of Love and Self-Worth. It is, to be quite honest, the only real friend you have in Eorzea.
The Esteem is how the Warrior of Light truly feels deep down, and it manifests itself as a mentor to the Warrior of Light to teach you the ways of the Dark Knight. However, if you listen to what Esteem says, you learn that pretty much every violent reaction it has is caused because it loves you too much. Because of it's love for you, it is jealous, protective, and selfish. The Esteem recalls stories of it's adventures with its close friend (you). However, each memory tortures Esteem because it knows that Eorzea will just keep demanding more and more of you.
This is why Esteem attacks you at the end of the Dark Knight quest. It wants to take control of you, not because it wants to rule or cause trouble, but because it wants to save you from the people that abuse you. This makes the acceptance of Esteem at the end of the Dark Knight quest incredibly important. While you subdue it for now, it comforts you by letting you know it will always be there when you need it. -
08-11-2015, 03:33 AMSirPhoebos
I would love it if the Warrior of Darkness is also a weird OCD adventurer like the player who despite his obvious plot importance has to take care of all the dumb busywork for the badguys.
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08-11-2015, 03:48 AMmyahele
The WoD may not be Derplander or ever confirmed to be him. But at the very least the WoD is most likely a fellow echo user.
It was said (in the easter special event) that an Archon and also Echo user decided to side with "dark-hooded mages" for mysterious reasons.
Then there's Elidibus saying that "If we knew the truth we'd be of the same mind" that it has been a millennia since the last time he was around. I am guessing that he was able to recruit at least one echo user that was strong enough (or will be strong enough) to compete with WoL.
I think that Elidibus showed the would-be WoD "the truth" thus he joined Elidibus. I also think that Elidibus may have saved Minfilia. She's clearly important to the Asciens, but why? Elidibus did say she "survived the ardor"
Wasn't the Ardor used in the Isle of Val by Nabriales? Then again inside the Warring Triad by Igeyorm/Lahabrea. So perhaps she survived an earlier attempt at the Ardor by the Asciens when she was a child? She was probably protected by Hydaelyn -
08-11-2015, 04:13 AMAnonymooseIf I remember correctly, The Ardor is just another name for The Calamity / The Rejoining.Quote:
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Likewise, if I remember correctly, the Isle of Val was destroyed by a magick not unlike Ultima.Quote:
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Seven times have the masses survived the Rejoining, but their souls are grown weak and wan... Yet even as it enervates, the Ardor empowers our master.