This new bard play style blows.

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Originally Posted by DreameR7g

I fully agree with everything you just said. I just think part of the problem is player perception at the moment, believing that bard is meant to be a pure DPS when it really isn't.

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Which is pretty blind considering 4 of Bard's original 5 Job abilities were support song related and the 5th, Rain of Death, was largely relegated to a single off-proc use before Wide Volley spam to force recharge. 3.0 revived Rain of Death making it much more useful, but didn't really change it's circumstances. 3.0 did add more attack abilities but locked them behind a stance and also added a support song. No mistake, the role of Bard is clear, only way you can't see it is if you don't want to.

I'm still finding it funny that so many cry about a thread being here as they continually bump the thread. Talk about uneducated five year olds... lol

These comaints aren't going to end any time soon. Some are claiming that it isn't a big change when bards now do even less dps if they have to move, can't use ogcd skills nearly as much, or skip all new skills while everyone else gets a new kit. Again, people didn't choose this class because the6 wanted to play a completely different class. Can anyone explain how bards were so broken that they needed the basics of the class comlletely changed? These WM changes affect everything. Did any other clas have this drastic of a change to play style?

I started out as a SMN, but changed to BRD at 50 because I actually liked having range without casting regardless of DPS. However, the new actions actually just seem boring. Also, WM isn't a bad stance, but just offers too little of a reward for the lack of mobility.

So, now I'm a DRK who's story is stalled at a level 56 quest because I'm just kind of tired of playing BRD. Both SMN and BRD have both been classes that have become rather stagnate with each update. I wanted to play as MCH, but it seems that SE made it as bad as BRD right now. Here's to hoping that DRK doesn't get retooled to the point where it's stagnated as well.

The thing about Minuet is likely to appease the much older cry for Ranger. Ever since Bard was introduced, back when it's role as Support was accepted and not so 'controversial', people wondered when we'd be getting Ranger. Square said nothing about the possibility but it didn't stop the speculation. Or the prospect of gunner/Corsair for that matter. You know, a ranged DD that's just a DD. None of the above happened, obviously, but it hasn't stopped people from asking for a pure ranged DD. So, instead, we got Wanderer's Minuet/Gauss Barrel. It's a jury-rigged solution but a solution all the same. Honestly, I'd still rather just have a dedicated class/Job than this but it's better than nothing.

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

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Could machinist have not filled that role then, and leave BRD the way it is? The other half of the problem that stems from WM is that it doesn't mesh well with BRD's 2.0 moveset or playstyle. It's absolutely infuriating to see straighter shot procs during my straight shot cast, and my bloodletters resetting itself midcast, twice. And bard dps is more-or-less balanced around using. They're not really doing more damage persay, as they are doing relatively the same dps as they were in 2.0 compared to other classes.

On top of that, MCH and BRD both have the same gameplay concept because of WM/GB and the balancing around it... it's jsut MCH functions better with GB because their moveset/animations are designed with it in mind.

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

Could machinist have not filled that role then, and leave BRD the way it is? The other half of the problem that stems from WM is that it doesn't mesh well with BRD's 2.0 moveset or playstyle. It's absolutely infuriating to see straighter shot procs during my straight shot cast, and my bloodletters resetting itself midcast, twice. And bard dps is more-or-less balanced around using. They're not really doing more damage persay, as they are doing relatively the same dps as they were in 2.0 compared to other classes.

On top of that, MCH and BRD both have the same gameplay concept because of WM/GB and the balancing around it... it's jsut MCH functions better with GB because their moveset/animations are designed with it in mind.

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I'll agree that they need to tune the proc recasts some. If they are going to proc, they need to do so at the end of the next GCD tick, not during the current one. I never saw this problem on black mage, but Thunder isn't used as a standalone DPS spell either.

I have talked to very few people who enjoyed the new bard. Many long time bards said they retired. Whoever gave them this feedback, and told them it was a good idea, makes me sad.

I am sticking with bard, but will never use it.

WEll... people are gonna continue making threads about it until they fix it.
I hate using gauss barel as machinist.
I main casters so I'd like to play another job, but it kinda feels like im playing another caster.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

WE ALL KNOW.

This is not the first time it's been mentioned. It's not even the tenth. Please, just give it a rest. It's been noted by everyone here, Yoshida, hell even Hydealyn probably is looking into it.

Please no more threads about this.

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But is he? there was no legit mention of the "cast bar" style they have implemented on BRD during the live letter... it seems this is it, we're stuck with it.. and quite frankly that's enough for a lot of BRD's to reroll.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan94

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the new BRD skills. All these stupid claims of "I don't want to play a BLM" are ridiculous. It's 1.5s of having to stand still. And in exchange we get 30% damage boost. Perfectly fair/balanced. Does it change the playstyle? Not really... not unless you were one of those annoying, bunny hopping BRDs that ran around for absolutely no reason. And technically those BRDs can still do that... they just can't take advantage of the new skills.

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You also can't tell someone they can't complain because in your opinion, its ok. It's not a soapbox. Its voicing your opinion. He has the right to just like you felt you had the right to come into his thread which you already knew what the subject matter was about and apparently hate to see to comment about why you hate to see it. Sounds like you wanted a soapbox instead my friend.

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Originally Posted by QiLymePye

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People don't want to see discussion on a forum, they just want a gigantic echo chamber to make them feel comfortable and secure in their opinions.

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Originally Posted by ThanMazus

People don't want to see discussion on a forum, they just want a gigantic echo chamber to make them feel comfortable and secure in their opinions.

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Problem is that when you want to do a discussion. We got people saying. "Get good" or "I am use to it now."Do we need another thread?! Just silly things.

So many things that could be debated. Like why do I feel changing the core class is bad game design. Why do I feel that our support is lacking for a support dps. I would even accept a question of, why do I feel I must use the skill.

Instead I got question on my personal skill, and what I find fun. Amazing huh?

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

WE ALL KNOW.

This is not the first time it's been mentioned. It's not even the tenth. Please, just give it a rest. It's been noted by everyone here, Yoshida, hell even Hydealyn probably is looking into it.

Please no more threads about this.

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Hydaelyn has clearly forsaken these children of a lesser god.

Well bards have an alternative now with machinist. It has enough procs and movement friendly cooldowns you can move everywhere with gauss on and maintain almost full rotation.

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Originally Posted by ShaneDawn

Warrior is op as hell anyways. Our FC WAR out dps' anyone but the greatest of dps players. Heck, even then, we had him out damage (one of the) best bards in the server on Ravana Ex farm while doing a MAIN TANK duty which greatly gimps his ability to dps at times.

A dcent dos should never lose to a PLD/DRK, but WAR is a really bad comparison point atm when you see them doing 800-900+ dps during raids.

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I won't deny that a WAR is OP but BRD can do about 1,200+ in numbers, I've seen proof and the BRD was just a little under a DRG in A1. I won't say that I can go top DPS like that but I've definitely seen it done.

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Originally Posted by Lillia

I won't deny that a WAR is OP but BRD can do about 1,000+ in numbers, I've seen proof and the BRD was just a little under a DRG in A1. I won't say that I can go top DPS like that but I've definitely seen it done.

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theres an a1 vid of a bard pulling 1240 dps at the end, more than the drg in that group (the monk had 1240, too)

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

theres an a1 vid of a bard pulling 1240 dps at the end, more than the drg in that group

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I didn't know about that but yeah the proof is right there then.

I haven't played my bard since Heavensward so I don't know how I'm going to feel about it. But on an off note, come on guys, if he wants to make a thread there's no rule saying he can't. Don't post in it if you don't want to. :)

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Originally Posted by Lillia

I didn't know about that but yeah the proof is right there then.

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here it is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwfcTXtjXKA

To everyone saying "Get good" or "Learn to play," You do realize that has absolutely nothing to do with liking HOW bard plays now right?

I know their dmg is fine, I've seen good parses, but that doesn't make me personally like how it now plays anymore than if it did 5k dps. In my opinion it's just clunky now and doesn't feel like a fantasy archer should. Now since I level everything this wasn't a huge problem for me. I'll get it to the cap eventually anyway, but I won't actually play it in cap content like I used to.

I was and still am SCH main, but I used PLD as my tank and BRD as my dps. Now it's SCH, PLD(maybe drk, haven't leveled it enough yet) and SMN.

My ability to learn the new way it plays has zero bearing on actually enjoying how it works now. I don't and OP doesn't either. If you're gonna rebutt him, do it the correct way, not by throwing out DPS numbers.

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Originally Posted by Wavaryen

Problem is that when you want to do a discussion. We got people saying. "Get good" or "I am use to it now."Do we need another thread?! Just silly things.

So many things that could be debated. Like why do I feel changing the core class is bad game design. Why do I feel that our support is lacking for a support dps. I would even accept a question of, why do I feel I must use the skill.

Instead I got question on my personal skill, and what I find fun. Amazing huh?

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Such is the way of the official forums :(

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Originally Posted by RentisB

To everyone saying "Get good" or "Learn to play," You do realize that has absolutely nothing to do with liking HOW bard plays now right?

I know their dmg is fine, I've seen good parses, but that doesn't make me personally like how it now plays anymore than if it did 5k dps.

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if you dont care about dps, why do you use minuet then? dont use it and jump around as you like..

After 3.0 Bards have becomes very annoying and im starting to really hate them. Yes we know you don't like your current job how its like SE knows this they buffed your DPS. They are NOT going to change WM any time soon just deal with it and stop moaning geez. You don't need to make topic after the topic.

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Originally Posted by Remus

After 3.0 Bards have becomes very annoying and im starting to really hate them. Yes we know you don't like your current job how its like SE knows this they buffed your DPS. They are NOT going to change WM any time soon just deal with it and stop moaning geez. You don't need to make topic after the topic.

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People don't need to make post after post discouraging conversation, but here we are.

Honestly, I leveled BRD to 60 and got the i170 gear etc. etc. I seriously tried to get into the new play style Bard offers, but I just couldn't do it. I chose Bard for its fast paced almost machine-gun like play style, and now the patch has made Bard do a complete 180. Now I feel like Bard is just slow, in basically every way, even though the cast times are minuscule at most.

I have now moved on to leveling Monk and I'm enjoying just as much as pre 3.0 Bard.