Why are bards / Mechanists so... Sensitive? <_<

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Originally Posted by Delorean

well it's not like dragoons only spent an entire expansion of dying just because they had lower magic defense than everyone else while being the most frustrating DPS class to play

oh wait, they did

i mean some of them are still dying and winning rolls on loot just because they are bad and unreasonably lucky, but that is beside the point

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Hey...at least you got into the content and died in there. People won't even take MCH or even BRDs in Bis EX nowadays.

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Originally Posted by Lillia

Right now, if Savage was out and you had a bard/machinist in your static but couldn't reach the DPS check with them even if they did their rotation good and knew when to give support would you keep them?

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except that every single raid encounter in this game is created with bard dps ability in mind. if you're geared enough, and have a brd and 3 other dps and still can't beat a dps check then someone needs to get gud, plain and simple. Running content without a bard would probably reduce melee dps to bard level. As an example, raid enrage timers are generally 10 mins? Nins are out of tp in under 4 mins with invigorate still very much on cd. Now is it really worth bringing another dps who wont offer support and will probably end up doing bard damage due to tp starvation? Sure the nin can goad the tank ( wow ) but he will starve himself.

Don't forget tanks run out of tp fast too ( pld runs out in under 3 mins ) and tanks damage has been buffed to support dps level, so tank tp starvation is an even further value to bard, more so than before.

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

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You know... I always considered and was fine with Bard being utility, a nice middle between it all if you will.... but what you just explained was nothing more than a TP/MP bottle with legs that's not even taken along for both the support and small bits of DPS it can push out which is sort of disappointing as.... I never really saw the job that way. Anyways, maybe I just didn't know the job as well as you do and should start reconsidering if it's something I want to really play as.

And to further explain before you say anything, I actually did feel like bard was able to do not the highest but decent numbers that wasn't behind or with a tank of all jobs unless of course the tank was an OT or the bard was just really bad.... :/

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Originally Posted by Yellow

Honestly, I think people are getting a little bit too attached if they're getting offended over something as light as 'Ew Bard'. I mean, I could understand if it was something more substantially and to the extent you were being excluded from things because of your job.

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But that is happening... I've been kicked multiple times from runs that never even left the gate, just because they see my class listed as Bard. Literally nothing I can do, I can't even prove my worth to the party, since I'm kicked before anything even happens. I've counted 9 times I've been kicked from a 3.0 dungeon in the last 24 hours.

Just seems ignorant (for lack of a better word) to be making a statement, pretending this problem doesn't exist...

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Originally Posted by Lillia

Anyways, maybe I just didn't know the job as well as you do and should start reconsidering if it's something I want to really play as.

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nah u probably know it fine. Bard was a class where u could pull really great dps before, and you could consider yourself a "dps" and not just a "support dps" at times. I felt it was a nice balance and every brd was pretty happy then.

In those times a 3 min dummy parse was 500 dps for brd and somewhere in the low 600s for melee. Nowadays brd is like 800 at dummy while mellee is now 1100. It's as if se feel the significantly raised skill caps on other dps classes ( particularly blm and drg ) is going to make this difference in dps a lot smaller in a real fight. And for the most cases, the gap in a real fight IS a lot smaller. bard can be within 100 dps of other classes in real fights and usually is if everyone is playing good. But if other dps classes manage to reach near peak dps from optimisation of the fight then brd really will be relegated to support utterly and completely. I guess all this is to say theres less fun and e peen to brd now which is a shame. I honestly wish things would remain as they were and I guess I'm just trying to get used to the idea that I'm a support now. And support is only ever needed in raids which we don't have yet.

bard as it is would have been awesome if it was like this originally, but people picked bards for damage and got the support as a bonus. Now se are saying : Now you are mainly just a support. What I don't like is how hard bards have to try for their dps which now wont ever be notable or special. Good bard play should imo reward one with dps at least greater than what the OT can pull.

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

I guess all this is to say theres less fun and e peen to brd now which is a shame. I honestly wish things would remain as they were and I guess I'm just trying to get used to the idea that I'm a support now. And support is only ever needed in raids which we don't have yet.

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Yeah.. That's hitting me now too... because like I said before I always felt we were utility.. not just one side or the other. >.<

OP ppl take the game too seriously. Thats all. I dont think it was a big deal myself, and baffled at the negative reaction in the thread. Its just a game at the end of the day, the joke in no way made a personal attack on the player, and merely poked fun at his job.

Theae same ppl throwing tantrums made fun of drgs for years. Now its suddenly not okay to poke fun at a job?

I'd love to know where this whole "Support DPS" idea comes from and why people keep perpetuating it. It doesn't exist its construct people use to justify what is a blatantly stupid discrepancy in DPS numbers.

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Originally Posted by Lux_Rayna

OP ppl take the game too seriously. Thats all. I dont think it was a big deal myself, and baffled at the negative reaction in the thread. Its just a game at the end of the day, the joke in no way made a personal attack on the player, and merely poked fun at his job.

These same ppl throwing tantrums made fun of drgs for years. Now its suddenly not okay to poke fun at a job?

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Actually, I for one have never told a DRG.. "Ew, DRG" upon seeing them in a Dgn or getting one. Sure I'd join a joke of lawlgoon but I never toss it out there nor start that joke. Most the time it was the Dragoon to start the joke on themselves with the whole "I died again" stuff.

I like DRGs, they burst out good dps and help bards and I enjoyed playing one for however short-lived it was when I was doing so for B4B. Though... it wasn't even the fact that he was joking about the job but rather the comment he chose to joke with.

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Originally Posted by LambLich

I'd love to know where this whole "Support DPS" idea comes from and why people keep perpetuating it. It doesn't exist its construct people use to justify what is a blatantly stupid discrepancy in DPS numbers.

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We are DPS/Support, when people need TP or MP who do you think fills it? Us. When a caster needs that small boost then who do you think sings to tug them up in numbers a little more? Us.

Yes, by that term any job can be 'support' however we have more supportive abilities than they do with normally a longer span than they do. If we were just pure DPS then we wouldn't be stopping to sing and fill these needs as part of our 'role', We'd have less supportive abilities and higher DPS.

As a matter of fact we would fit the role of Ranger much more if it came to that and much less a Bard whose almost always been seen as a more supportive role than DPS in the FF series.

And when I say "us" or "our" I do include you when you're on the job unless you leave healers and dps high and dry.

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Originally Posted by LambLich

I'd love to know where this whole "Support DPS" idea comes from and why people keep perpetuating it. It doesn't exist its construct people use to justify what is a blatantly stupid discrepancy in DPS numbers.

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Hi paladin. Notice how u run out of tp after about 2 minutes and 50 seconds.....yeah.

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

Hi paladin. Notice how u run out of tp after about 2 minutes and 50 seconds.....yeah.

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They play bard Sessu.

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Originally Posted by LambLich

I'd love to know where this whole "Support DPS" idea comes from and why people keep perpetuating it. It doesn't exist its construct people use to justify what is a blatantly stupid discrepancy in DPS numbers.

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Hmm... so you just joined recently if your forums registration is a clue so it's forgivable that you don't know where the 'support DD' notion stems. It's from 1.0 where Bard was substantially more supportive, cross-classing pugilist and conjurer. In fact, Bard was expected to have Raise as part of it's skill set or they were deemed 'worthless'. Their '2 hour' was called Soul Voice and on top of buffing songs it also granted an HP boost. That's obviously not the case anymore, but the songs remain largely unchanged outside of duration and the '2 hour' renamed Battle Voice with the HP boost removed. This is why the 'support DD' notion is still around, Bards are still expected to give it through song.

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

Hi paladin. Notice how u run out of tp after about 2 minutes and 50 seconds.....yeah.

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Don't throw that around like that's good game design to be defended. Resource management shouldn't be "bring a BRD/Gunbard", it shouldn't even be "press your refill button every X seconds". The class design in this regard is super lazy pretty much across the board.

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Originally Posted by ParanoidHobo

Don't throw that around like that's good game design to be defended. Resource management shouldn't be "bring a BRD/Gunbard", it shouldn't even be "press your refill button every X seconds". The class design in this regard is super lazy pretty much across the board.

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I won't say it's good or bad game design but what I will say is if a player is ever wanting to just be a pure DPS bard just because their role in DF is set to DPS its probably not going to end well when they see songs cut their DPS anddd that people do want them to sing the songs because that's part of the 'bard's role' and that is just how the game is right now.

Of course they don't have to sing them but they may also end up booted by other players or disliked greatly especially if the wipes were caused due to low mp healers.... Soooo yeah.... I'd say bard is pretty darn supporty.

Joking or not, that just isn't a great first impression you are making on people. It's extremely rude and an indicator that you will not be a good player to run a dungeon with and may harass the bard the whole time. The problem isn't really that bards are more sensitive than normal, it's that if you greet someone you are meeting for the first time with "ew" that is not really acceptable behaviour...

Hey, look.

About 35% of my runs has somebody throwing snide remarks about my DPS, regardless of the fact i put out way more AoE damage than anyone else in the party.

You're lucky to get a Bis/Rav EX party where people even allow BRD/MCH to join.

Tanks (especially warriors) are typically the diva of the duty anyway, especially in trials where they can just leave and get another queue instantly.


Maybe if you don't open with the most typical, popular way to be a complete douchebag right now, you won't feel like we're being sensitive when we leave, or tell you how you act.

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Originally Posted by Lillia

I won't say it's good or bad game design but what I will say is if a player is ever wanting to just be a pure DPS bard just because their role in DF is set to DPS its probably not going to end well when they see songs cut their DPS anddd that people do want them to sing the songs because that's part of the 'bard's role' and that is just how the game is right now.

Of course they don't have to sing them but they may also end up booted by other players or disliked greatly especially if the wipes were caused due to low mp healers.... Soooo yeah.... I'd say bard is pretty darn supporty.

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Currently bards are being booted from EX content and who knows...maybe alexander content in future too because of the low DPS so it's a lose/lose either way. Or at least that is how might feel to some right now until the class is fixed so (on thread topic) no wonder people who play the class are more sensitive to people like OP making piss poor jokes and insults directed at them just because of the class they play.

I'm not maining BRD and I have not even started MCH yet, but I do have a guess.... Maybe it's because they actually get booted from content, many times without a word or even a chance to prove themselves. Maybe it's because many people outright refuse to even take them to certain content - just today I saw a Bis Ex PF with "some jobs locked", ie. BRD and MCH could not join at all. And it was a practice/clear party, so not even one of those farms that require you to be at i300 in every job.
The core of the fault is probably the new tweaks/skills SE designed, but that's not to say people who choose to exclude them like that are entirely blameless.

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

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Except were no longer in 1.0, hell i wonder how many spouting "support dps" even played 1.0. The penalty for using support is already built into the ability, why and how can anyone justify anything beyond that. I dont want the best dps but i at least expect to be comparable when the encounter doesn't require as much of our support abilities.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

Currently bards are being booted from EX content and who knows...maybe alexander content in future too because of the low DPS so it's a lose/lose either way. Or at least that is how might feel to some right now until the class is fixed so (on thread topic) no wonder people who play the class are more sensitive to people like OP making piss poor jokes and insults directed at them just because of the class they play.

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Because our DPS as a utility DPS is too low, we're utility as i've been saying this whole time. The job has never been just one or the other but everytime this is brought up people say "wheres the utility/support role in DF?" Well there is none because you're still a DPS just a DPS with a large amount of supportive actions that make you a utility DPS still as Bard apparently was in 1.x from what someone else said.

As for why we're being booted; every job has a certain amount of DPS that people want them to hit, no one hits the exact same numbers as each other but normally hit a good amount between each class where they have distance but aren't too far behind, when content flies out with changes, people watchfully test the numbers on their own with their own tools.

Right now Bard probably fell a lot lower than what they were before the new rotations came in for all jobs and what I mean by they fell is... of course they rose up in numbers because of gear but for example if a Bard in 2.55 was like... 200 behind a Dragoon in the same ilvl... then if they suddenly became 400 apart from Dragoon in overall dps after 3.0 dropped with the same ilvl in new gear then people start worrying because there's a big change which was influenced from something. (in this case wanderer's minuet.)

We're behind other DPS from where people are use to seeing a bard at but that doesn't make us suddenly more DPS-y or anything, it just means that we need to get back up there. Bard is still a 100% utility job.

Now why is Minuet the problem? Because while every other class has now higher dps because they are with new gear and skills that may need a little tweaks of their own but still helps them utilize their DPS, we on the other hand only have one skill open to us, Sidewinder.

The rest of our skills are locked behind Minuet which has a cast time, stops actions if movement is done and has dps that can be reached easily with the song off. The fifth skill is Warden's which... I personally have no clue of what it is useful for myself as it feels utterly useless atm.

So we're left with one skill to utilize our DPS with and that is making us fall behind. If the cast time is fixed enough in the patch... maybe we'll be able to dish out a higher number but we'll still need to be careful about moving still so lets see how this plays out..

I'm hoping that Warden and Wanderer's gets tweaked enough to make differences and change our rotations/job in a beneficial way such as the other skills helped other jobs.

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Originally Posted by LambLich

Except were no longer in 1.0, hell i wonder how many spouting "support dps" even played 1.0. The penalty for using support is already built into the ability, why and how can anyone justify anything beyond that. I dont want the best dps but i at least expect to be comparable when the encounter doesn't require as much of our support abilities.

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So what are you looking for exactly? Ranger? We're not going to be comparable with a dragoon or black mage who are pure DPS, every class is made to be different with their own perks.

One of ours is the famous ability to be a jump and shoot man, while you're able to do that which no other job can do however... you're a bit below them and another is that you're able to support them with songs when they need TP/MP as well which lowers it more as long as the song is up.

Minuet was suppose to bring our DPS up a bit more and honestly with the cast time and the DPS increase rates.... it's very questionable and fumed at currently.... so when it's fixed then maybe you'll get closer to having more DPS at whatever the cost may end up being.

But until then... we're almost just as we were before with better gear and sidewinder. We dps as much as we can right now and give support when needed.

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Originally Posted by Sessurea

Hi paladin. Notice how u run out of tp after about 2 minutes and 50 seconds.....yeah.

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I didn't say anything was good or bad. Just a fact, ppl run out of tp, brd fills it.

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Originally Posted by ParanoidHobo

Don't throw that around like that's good game design to be defended. Resource management shouldn't be "bring a BRD/Gunbard", it shouldn't even be "press your refill button every X seconds". The class design in this regard is super lazy pretty much across the board.

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In fact you were the one with the opinions afterall. Should we just ditch the hp/mp system too? Make it a bit easier for you.

2.0-2.55: People poking fun at dragoons(loldrg,tanking the floor,output wasn't that great), them hardly getting a raid spot because people favoured monk and ninja because they bring more to the raid group. Bards were fine because they had a raid spot no matter what because of their songs. As a dragoon this happened i see PF people ask for MNK/NIN

3.0: Dragoon gets a raid wide crit buff people take them now its equal among the melee dps and people don't poke fun any more as often because potentially they could be top dps, bards are now weak but people still take them for songs and people poke fun at them now and have a hissy fit.

In truth, right now all you bards are just going through what Dragoon went through pretty much all of 2.0. My static has a bard because even though their DPS isn't on the level of melee and casters they know they are still useful because of their support utility. People who say their bard are not support dps are lying to themselves you ARE support DPS SE just doesn't want to waste time building another option in duty finder which allows support DPS and adding a new colour for support DPS. Your DPS will never be on the level of anyone else and you just need to accept it just like how dragoons did in 2.0.

Even I throw out jokes at bards now because those same people threw jokes at me so when they try mention me doing low DPS I just say "says the bard with low DPS" and they stay silent and rarely judge my dps again. After looking at all the people who responded to the OP are just bards who are mainly salty their DPS isn't on the level as other classes. So, OP when I saw this topic I laughed because in all honesty I have said the same thing "ew bard" but they kew it was a joke because they know their current position. Just suck it up and stop being so sensitive, if Dragoons can take all the jokes and rejection of not taken into raids im sure you can until things are changed.

You can disagree all you want but my opinion won't change lol.

Oh and one more thing...

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Honestly, we've heard this crap since early access. Some people are able to take a light jab here or there between friends, but others are just tired of hearing the same damn thing nearly every hour we play XIV, knowing we picked a class that is in rough shape due to the nature of RNG and figuring it out too late since it functioned perfectly fine until suddenly our damage compared to others plummeted past level 50. At least those I've been with were quiet about it lately.

Edit: And to the above, what DRG is going through in 2.0 until the magic defense buff/overall skill buffs is not like what MCH is going through at the very least (I can't say anything about BRD personally). DRG is not at the mercy of RNG to function. It's funny, because when RNG favors us we actually do pretty well. When we don't, gg no re.

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Originally Posted by Remus

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Not everyone judged Dragoon and not all of them was just Bards if some did. I like Dragoons and I totally agree with your post on utility and what not until the part with jokes on Bard which seems influenced from what Dragoon had to go through comes in, if you knew how it felt then why would you go out your way to laugh at another player misfortunes on here... I just find that horrible.

You know, I think the people who haven't came on here to comment how bad off they were are the Warriors. They had a total overhaul on their job because of the issues people felt the job had and yet... here comes the Dragoon players instead.

And so you know... in first coil when it was the only raid out back then. I also had a Dragoon player as a static member once and almost any kind of DPS was welcomed in runs I did if pugs were needed or when I was running coil before the static.

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Originally Posted by Enjuden

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Please come back to me when you do Ravana EX when you get Wheeling Thrust when its Seeing Left/Right/Wings and then talk to me about being at the mercy of RNG we pretty much are forced to do less damage. It's not at the level of MCH which I understand you are right on that point but it's still pretty annoying that there is RNG between both my skills Fang and Claw and Wheeling Thrust.

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Originally Posted by Remus

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Last I checked, DRGs were fairly comfortable up until 2.4 when ninjas were introduced and FCoB got trigger happy with putting emphasis on damage values on fights...and making it magical damage. Nor did I see them being actively excluded or getting kicked out of Shiva EX for the matter.

If anything, it should be comparable to warriors who got benched out of raids in favor of paladins until 2.1.

I don't know if Bards' dps is supposed to be higher since they bring some awesome utility...

But when I see my DRK offtank with STR accessories doing more dps than a similarily geared MCH (i179) in Ravana EX over the course of 5-7 minute tries, I think there is a problem lol And I was with 35 bonus attribues in VIT lol

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Originally Posted by Hyunckel

I don't know if Bards' dps is supposed to be higher since they bring some awesome utility...

But when I see my DRK offtank with STR accessories doing more dps than a similarily geared MCH (i179) in Ravana EX over the course of 5-7 minute tries, I think there is a problem lol And I was with 35 bonus attribues in VIT lol

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It should be higher for MCH using barrel and BRD when in minuet I think but... it's going to be difficult to balance how high and what should be changed exactly without having the bards and machinist being too OP, That is why SE wants to wait till Alex for major changes.

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Originally Posted by Hyunckel

I don't know if Bards' dps is supposed to be higher since they bring some awesome utility...

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Again, this confuses me. We bring awesome utility, when we actually have a need for bringing that utility.

No one is explaining why we have to have lower average Weapon dmg other than the fact that at some point we maybe will play a song when there's need for one.

Even if we had the same weapon dmg as a DRG, we'd obviously never actually do the same overall dmg output as a DRG. Because we maintain a steady mid-point while being able to maintain movement, with spikes every so often through use of cooldowns. They, on the other hand, have structured combos with increasing potency. Up until now and outside Minuet, the only WS we have that exceeds 150 Potency is Misery's End, which is a WS only used in the final Stretch.

So their low-point is just about the same as our constant output and a high-point that can vastly exceed what we would do. We could never have that because that's the point that would be broken. That is totally justified.

But when playing a song we take another hit to our DMG. It's now at 15% but it used to be at 20. So not only do we do less dmg when not even providing that awesome utility, but when we do, we deal even less. And it makes sense to deal less when we have to provide support. It doesn't make sense that we deal less constantly if only because we MIGHT use a song. Would it not make sense to instead take whatever % of dmg difference already lies in our weapon dmg and just add it to the song's reduction?

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Originally Posted by RiceisNice

Last I checked, DRGs were fairly comfortable up until 2.4 when ninjas were introduced and FCoB got trigger happy with putting emphasis on damage values on fights...and making it magical damage. Nor did I see them being actively excluded or getting kicked out of Shiva EX for the matter.

If anything, it should be comparable to warriors who got benched out of raids in favor of paladins until 2.1.

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You're not remembering clearly. DRG's got forced out of raids quite often in 2.1 Heck, DRG used to be asked to leave from parties doing AK because their DPS was so poor on Demon Wall.

Not touching on the DRG topic, I just want to address the OP. No, You did absolutely nothing wrong in the situation you described, and yes, those people were being greatly oversensitive regardless of the current situation of BRD/MCN. I'd say don't judge them harshly because of it but honestly you'll never see them again most likely.

Now, before anyone goes and assumes this or that... I'm not talking about >legit< insults here, as that is always annoying... But not jokes... welcome to being an adult... If you're not sure if someone is joking or not the proper reaction is never "Be a triggered baby and ragequit", because in that situation, the only loser will be you.

@Lewtskie; We actually may do more than them because we can move and attack while going to wherever we need to go as mechanics are taking place when minuet is off so that adds up to DPS for us because we have less downtime compared to when they have to run to perform the mechanic and run back to continue attacking. Though I'd like to see weapon raised too but not to the same numbers of DRG or the rest of the physical DPS, I think it should be a bit lower but not trail behind as much as it does right now.

@BlaiseArath; Sorry but I'd have to disagree with you. You wouldn't introduce yourself to a static like that would you? Would you introduce yourself to a person of interest or importance to you like that? I for one would never do such things.

So why should it be any different just because they are DF strangers? It's just common courtesy that people should have for each other even inside of a video game. Those people had done nothing to deserve that particular joke towards them from what I've read on the OP's part of this.

I could see if he was familiar with them and it was a running gag as friends but they didn't know him from a hole in the wall so they probably didn't favor his humor as much as he seems to have.

In any case, as someone who played DRG when all the hype was all over NIN & MNK (loldrg gtfo pls)...

I give my strong support to BRDs & MCHs, if only cause I find both jobs pretty cool on the concept arts and lores.

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@BlaiseArath; Sorry but I'd have to disagree with you. You wouldn't introduce yourself to a static like that would you? Would you introduce yourself to a person of interest or importance to you like that? I for one would never do such things.

So why should it be any different just because they are DF strangers? It's just common courtesy that people should have for each other even inside of a video game. Those people had done nothing to deserve that particular joke towards them from what I've read on the OP's part of this.

I could see if he was familiar with them and it was a running gag as friends but they probably didn't know him from a hole in the wall so they probably didn't favor his humor as much as he seems to have.

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You're free to disagree and I appreciate you expressing a dissenting opinion, but I maintain my position though I can appreciate where you're coming from. The way I see it, not law, that If people can't take a joke its their problem, not the OPs or mine. I would announce it was a joke if it sounds like someone took offence to it, but I wouldn't apologize for it nor would I take it back. In most cases, Offense is taken, not given. If I have given no offense, they're free to take what they want but I won't apologize for it.

This is mostly in regards to the OPs situation. There are clearly hurtful jokes that are in bad tast, and statements that may be far to overly insulting to be a joke and people hide behind "Its a joke" when called out... These types of things DO exist, but I'm not discussing a "slippery slope" argument of what could be said that would be going too far because everyone will draw the lines differently. Its about what the OP said, and its clearly not meant as a purposefully hurtful or insulting message.

But to the question of yours, though It might be lost on some people... if I joined a static, its best to get out of the way that I am a quirky person who enjoys a joke, quip, or sarcastic comment here or there. I do try not to be directly hurtful because thats called "being a decent human being".... but If they can't handle a joke or two here and there, not always super "PC", then yah, peace right the f**k out I'll find a group who appreciates a good joke and can relax without taking offense to everything because they can't deal with the fact their favorite job might not be the best in the world. I played THF in FFXI for over 11 years, It was literally the red headed step child of FFXI, it sucked at about everything as was treating as a cheap whore to get more drops from enemies... Yah, It gets annoying dealing with truly ignorant people but when It came to dealing with some of the jokes/insults, I recognize the difference between the two, One I laugh at, the other I ignore. adulthood.

Whenever I was met with a doubter of THF in XI, it just became my goal to show them how impressive the job could be. I never cried foul, I just became that shining example of what a good THF could be. I always aspired too at least, and looked up to those in the community doing the same.

Still If you (not you you, but you in general tersm) can't take a joke you're not someone I want to be friends with anyway. I don't find good company with people who are the "Microaggression" overly sensitive politically correct type who are triggered by clapping hands, So in my eyes, if I made a joke and someone took offence and left? They did me a favor.

I don't make insulting jokes as a matter of course, mind you, but I will make jokes, and usually, I get positive reactions. This isn't a bad thing and again I will say, OP, you have done absolutely nothing wrong.

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Originally Posted by BlaiseArath

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Thanks for being so polite about it and I see what you're trying to say but unless the people are told that hes someone who likes to joke in that manner beforehand or this is expressed to them, they have no way of possibly knowing so while I totally get it I just can't bring myself to fully see it that way. However I still appreciate the way you held yourself in your reply and I respect your opinion as you respected my own. :)

Maybe because we have to deal with shit like this...Someone just assuming because I am a bard, that I do shit DPS. I am a pretty good bard, my rotations while not perfect are decent and my gear ilvl was one of highest in the place (the place being bismarck EX). I covered most of his name to avoid shaming them. I have used a parser in the past on myself and my DPS has always been pretty good for the class, I know he was talking bullshit but us bards and machinists have to deal with this all the time.

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Originally Posted by Lillia

Thanks for being so polite about it and I see what you're trying to say but unless the people are told that hes someone who likes to joke in that manner beforehand or this is expressed to them, they have no way of possibly knowing so while I totally get it I just can't bring myself to fully see it that way. However I still appreciate the way you held yourself in your reply and I respect your opinion as you respected my own. :)

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I will say, they are probably far more well-worded than I. I let a discussion heat me a little too easily and I definitely get a good vibe from reading their posts. That's actually pretty impressive, if nothing else, and just shows I still have a long way to go until I get to the level of competency I desire in my written communication. <_<

I do agree with their feelings, in general, and find it to be very well-synched to my own. But perhaps I am too abrasive in how I say things.

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Originally Posted by Snugglebutt

Maybe because we have to deal with shit like this...Someone just assuming because I am a bard, that I do shit DPS. I am a pretty good bard, my rotations while not perfect are decent and my gear ilvl was one of highest in the place (the place being bismarck EX). I covered most of his name to avoid shaming them. I have used a parser in the past on myself and my DPS has always been pretty good for the class, I know he was talking bullshit but us bards and machinists have to deal with this all the time.

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He is probably running a parser but doesn't want to admit to you in case you report him.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

He is probably running a parser but doesn't want to admit to you in case you report him.

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But is it reportable if he was just supplying information they asked for?

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

He is probably running a parser but doesn't want to admit to you in case you report him.

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He wasn't or if he was then he was lying about the DPS I was putting out.

I know for fact what he said was not true about my DPS. As I said, I have parsed myself in the past.