Unable to ride chocobos in town makes me facepalm.

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Originally Posted by Rjain

http://www.wittistribune.com/wp-cont...er-dalaran.png

If I see this kind of shit happen in 14 I am going to somehow take control of the game and smash your characters' faces in with chocobos until you are never able to play with them again.

And that screenshot is rather tame compared to what one would typically see in a street in WoW. There are points where you cannot see an inch of the damn ground because of all the stupid mounts. I do not want to see your damn chocobo in town.

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Tame compared what you would typically see in WoW? You got a picture from a city of the last expansion that is shared by both the Alliance and the Horde in a very very small town. Of course it is going to look like that and you say that is tame compared to the norm. Wrong. Most towns even with 1000 mounts at a time in it don't even look like that picture. Then again it is a decent depiction of what you might see in FFXIV in a town like Uldah. Problem with what you are comparing it too is it would not look even remotely as bad as it does on WoW. Chocobos are generally tall and since they are bipedal they don't take up near as much space. Plus they look majestic as hell and would be awesome if you could have it in towns. Especially if they only let you have it on the main drag and not down any of the smaller roads or in any shops.

The point I am arguing is I would like to see it in the game assuming we had bigger more open towns. Since this is not the case I really doubt this is going to happen unless when they remake all the zones they do the towns too and open them up and expand them outwards to add to the grandeur. Wishful thinking is all it boils down too.

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Originally Posted by Chain

Hi :) I'm waving at you from outside the bubble of denial you're living in.^^

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You act like there are end all be all ways to thinking about things that depend almost primarily on opinion.

This isn't a logic puzzle. This is something that depends on personal reflection and emotional response. "Backwards way of thinking" is something I would expect to hear from people that refuse to look at things from different perspectives. People who are stone set on their own views that they would have the arrogance to label the opposition's very thoughts as "backwards" from reality.

It's basically saying "I'm right, you're wrong, and I am not open to discuss it." usually surrounding speculation and conjecture rather than the core points of cold hard facts.

So yes, I have every reason and right to hate such a close minded phrase.

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Originally Posted by Chain

Seriously? I can't say I'm surprised though, I saw it coming. This is another example of SE's backwards way of thinking. ... allowing chocobos in town.

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Ride you chocobos in town without stopping... the GTFO[off] or the town guard teleport you in "GM-jail". =P

You loose ride privileges for a whole game day too! ROFL!! =P

<System Message> "[PC] was fined and arrested for chocobo trafficking in [nation]'s public street's. You won't see him/her doing this again for awhile ladies and gentlemen! Hahahahaahaa!"

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Originally Posted by Rydin

it's not worth the energy of a facepalm...
Although Captain Picard appreciates keeping his memory alive
(Although technically the fictional character Cpt. Picard hasn't been born yet)

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Actually...

He's a Lallafell and he's on Rabanastre.

Last I saw him, he was ranking up at the weaver's guild.

After he bought a needle in my bazaar, I told him to "make it sew". (true story)

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Originally Posted by PikachuLink

if you want chocobos out of town gtfo this game! 6 year old mmo's even allow mounts in town there is nothing wrong with allowing it and your trying to limit the game of features by not allowing simple obvious choices like this

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...he-Wrong-Thing!

Yup, you are completely entitled to tell people to leave the game because they don't want chocobos everywhere in cities.

I do hope SE doesn't take such horrible ideas seriously.

"Backwards way of thinking" is a stupid phrase.

But since the cities can accommodate the chocobos, and many people wouldn't be riding them since you can't ride chocobos and bot at the same time, and also considering that they can limit chocobo-use within buildings, and also considering that it would otherwise impinge on people's sense of freedom and control over their characters, I just fail to see how letting chocobos into town is a bad idea.

I would completely welcome these chocobo-friendly environment.

If they start implementing ridiculous tiger/dragon mounts, however, then I would suggest those mounts be left outside, thank you very much.

- just my opinion.

Also... don't most games let you ride mounts in town?

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Originally Posted by Neasa

I do hope SE doesn't take such horrible ideas seriously.

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Thank god your parents didn't have the same outlook as you do amirite?

Yes, mounts in town is a HORRIBLE idea, that's why not a single other mmo allows it. Oh, wait!

I remember when I had my first beer.

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Originally Posted by Shikaree

WoW= take your largest mount and park it on top of the mailbox/special event npc so people have trouble accessing it.

I'm sure FFXIV players are more mature than that, but I can't see mounts in town working in places like Limsa anyway. Too many buildings to go through after the main hall and Baderon would be yelling about who let their chocobo in the bar if you even got up the stairs, lol.

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I always find it interesting that every MMO community tends to think community is better than other communities. And this is not a knock at you, just an observation. I have been around here awhile, our community is pretty much the same as any other MMO community, maybe we have smaller numbers, but am willing to bet our % of jerks vs population would work out to be the same as most other games.

But anyways... Mixed feelings about no mounts in town, but I know for sure there would be morons griefing and parking themselves wherever it could annoy people, standing on top of repair NPC etc.

In fact a few people on Besaid already come to mind that would do just this.

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Originally Posted by Chain

Seriously? I can't say I'm surprised though, I saw it coming. This is another example of SE's backwards way of thinking.

I do understand not wanting the adventurers guild and other enclosed areas full of chocobos, on the other hand many other games have already solved this by making you dismount when you cross a certain mark.

Your own videos depict chocobos in the streets -.- please rethink this and consider allowing chocobos in town.

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Whilst I dont agree with mounts in the city, i do like your sig :P

No to mounts in towns, however SE could add a stable area so you don't dismount when you hit the gates but instead you enter the stable area (a kind of inbetween zone), dismount and then enter the town through another gate. I think this would definitely add to the immersion of the game.

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Originally Posted by Chain

Lazy, rofl god forbid this game ever catches up to modern standards. I'm not sure if you've forgotten or not but it's a game not a job. At no point should ANYTHING be a burden, by burden I mean painfully annoying such as wasting time running across a city zone 10 times bigger than it needs to be.

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I'm all for keeping them outside. No disrespect but if you get annoyed with the amount of time it takes to move accross Limsa or any town for that matter than maybe this genre isn't right for you.

imagine all the afk people on mounts. gridlocks everywhere lol

No one will afk on mounts their afk while botting...

I love how people constantly complain about being "annoyed" by seeing things such as mounts in town or characters jumping around.I can understand lag concerns, because that's an actual argument, but implementing restrictions on something that adds to functionality, simply because you don't like seeing it, is just silly. Get over it-- personal preferences are not valid reasons to argue against anything that effects a large population of people with differing opinions.

Its just as annoying as characters concentrating in one area just to bazaar a few items (that's each PC). It's like a mob of retail bums standing around, taking up space on the street.

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Originally Posted by Chain

Thank god your parents didn't have the same outlook as you do amirite?

Yes, mounts in town is a HORRIBLE idea, that's why not a single other mmo allows it. Oh, wait!

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So angry. XD
Your type is why no one takes these forums seriously. Have fun talking to yourself.

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Originally Posted by Dargoth_Draconia

Tame compared what you would typically see in WoW? You got a picture from a city of the last expansion that is shared by both the Alliance and the Horde in a very very small town. Of course it is going to look like that and you say that is tame compared to the norm. Wrong.

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Oh I am so incredibly sorry. Allow me to correct myself. Throw Stormwind, Ironforge, Orgrimmar, and Undercity on the list too. Please forgive me for not spending additional minutes of my life going through screenshots of the cities to find one more suitable for your tastes. The last time I saw Stormwind, the ENTIRE front four or five blocks were completely packed with mounts. I could not see jack shit. I couldn't even see half the mounts except for the larger ones because there were mounts on the mounts.

Plus, given the fact that currently in this game there's nothing but chocobos (and personally I hope it stays that way when it comes to land mounts), that's even more of a reason not to have chocobos in towns. Every single person will have the same bird. Pointless.

Plus there is one major underlying fact, the city lags enough without them. Multiply the amount of entities on the screen by almost 2 when you throw chocobos into the mix. Even more lag. Don't need that.

Just to be fair about chocobos in town being shown in videos. Usually thats during a parade, special event, or just to advertise. Of course you could allow for certain areas within town to have chocobo. Say...right at the entrance?

I'm gonna have to say that Chocobos in town are not necessary. It's really not that bad walking around town in Final Fantasy XIV. I'd prefer to keep them out honestly. Why? They've been stated before, but I'll state 'em again. Stormwind City. >.>

It's horrible.

Eh i'm just glad to have an armored chocobo with an awesome city-state banner that I can call on any time.

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Originally Posted by PikachuLink

No one will afk on mounts their afk while botting...

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Is that first hand experience?

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Originally Posted by Rjain

Oh I am so incredibly sorry. Allow me to correct myself. Throw Stormwind, Ironforge, Orgrimmar, and Undercity on the list too. Please forgive me for not spending additional minutes of my life going through screenshots of the cities to find one more suitable for your tastes. The last time I saw Stormwind, the ENTIRE front four or five blocks were completely packed with mounts. I could not see jack shit. I couldn't even see half the mounts except for the larger ones because there were mounts on the mounts.

Plus, given the fact that currently in this game there's nothing but chocobos (and personally I hope it stays that way when it comes to land mounts), that's even more of a reason not to have chocobos in towns. Every single person will have the same bird. Pointless.

Plus there is one major underlying fact, the city lags enough without them. Multiply the amount of entities on the screen by almost 2 when you throw chocobos into the mix. Even more lag. Don't need that.

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You probably didn't play during launch when it was 20x the amount of people running around. Frame rate was never the issue since things loaded a bit slower depending on how crowded it was. The only problems we had were the repair npcs not loading fast enough or doors would take 2 mins to open which were later fixed. What you're describing is never a bad thing in an mmo, a crowded and alive city.

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

Is that first hand experience?

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Half the people I know bot, and it's obvious that many people in town are vacantly botting away to their hearts content. You can't bot on a chocobo, so that's half the towns population that won't even be on chocoback because they'd have to give up their precious botting to do it.

It's common in this community to ask for aesthetics over practicality. /shrug

Some people just like graphics more than gameplay.

Edit: Yes, I'm waiting for the obligatory outcry of weak, stretched out arguments on how this constitutes a gameplay improvement by not allowing them. Sorry, it's almost totally an aesthetics over gameplay issue. :)

if they ever allowed them in town i would begin leveling my cul. boiled chocobo for all!

that last thing i need, as a crafter, is someone riding a chocobo to go and start standing on my orb while i craft. there's already enough people that love to do that as it is.

If you don't like people trodden on, then bring back collision detection.

(because it's up to you, lol)

Imagine the lag, please
Remember how it was last november, where the towns was much busier? The NPCs needed 3 minutes to load and the door to the Uldah adventure guild was broken.
I don't want this again.

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Originally Posted by ShinChuck

It's common in this community to ask for aesthetics over practicality. /shrug

Some people just like graphics more than gameplay.

Edit: Yes, I'm waiting for the obligatory outcry of weak, stretched out arguments on how this constitutes a gameplay improvement by not allowing them. Sorry, it's almost totally an aesthetics over gameplay issue. :)

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I agree, aside from lag concerns,there is no argument. All they have is their personal preference for what they do or do not want to see in town. If lag is an actual concern, then I can somewhat understand if there is no work around for it, but I'm not convinced it is a concern, and I think those who say that is are just speculating.

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Originally Posted by Invalice_Vangaurd

I agree, aside from lag concerns,there is no argument. All they have is their personal preference for what they do or do not want to see in town. If lag is an actual concern, then I can somewhat understand if there is no work around for it, but I'm not convinced it is a concern, and I think those who say that is are just speculating.

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Lag, obstruction of crafting orbs, obstruction of NPCs, NPCs not rendering or taking a long time to render due to massive number of characters and chocobos around them, there are probably more but that's all I can think of this second.

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Originally Posted by Invalice_Vangaurd

I agree, aside from lag concerns,there is no argument. All they have is their personal preference for what they do or do not want to see in town. If lag is an actual concern, then I can somewhat understand if there is no work around for it, but I'm not convinced it is a concern, and I think those who say that is are just speculating.

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I would say possible lag weight more than save some seconds of walking time

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Originally Posted by weeble

i wants my choco to poop at my linkshell spot and then run off. ty.

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^ THIS /1OCHAR

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Originally Posted by Invalice_Vangaurd

I agree, aside from lag concerns,there is no argument. All they have is their personal preference for what they do or do not want to see in town. If lag is an actual concern, then I can somewhat understand if there is no work around for it, but I'm not convinced it is a concern, and I think those who say that is are just speculating.

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I've seen it before in other games. Stand around in Stormwind for a bit in World of Warcraft and you'll know what I mean.

um, something people have also overlooked.

for those who dont have the latest graphics cards, 5+ chocobo's in a group would place a strain on peoples graphics cards as well.

i've seen people who have issues with gpu lag just from busy periods in the busy areas. add birds into the rendering its going to place a heavier load on the gpu requiring upgrades. some people will just refuse to.

there is also a lag issue. for those who live in england for example, the lag would be extreme.

IMO, SE should have placed the bird rental station outside the main gates of the cities. this would have allowed people to call a rental bird without this "teleportation" bit inbetween

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Originally Posted by Rjain

Oh I am so incredibly sorry. Allow me to correct myself. Throw Stormwind, Ironforge, Orgrimmar, and Undercity on the list too. Please forgive me for not spending additional minutes of my life going through screenshots of the cities to find one more suitable for your tastes. The last time I saw Stormwind, the ENTIRE front four or five blocks were completely packed with mounts. I could not see jack shit. I couldn't even see half the mounts except for the larger ones because there were mounts on the mounts.

Plus, given the fact that currently in this game there's nothing but chocobos (and personally I hope it stays that way when it comes to land mounts), that's even more of a reason not to have chocobos in towns. Every single person will have the same bird. Pointless.

Plus there is one major underlying fact, the city lags enough without them. Multiply the amount of entities on the screen by almost 2 when you throw chocobos into the mix. Even more lag. Don't need that.

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I agree with you to some extent even though WoWs reasonings for having that many mounts was because the game only has like 10 million players. Anyways as I said in current towns it wouldn't work too well but the current towns lack the Final Fantasy flare that you would experience in any other FF game. Limsa is the only one to me that even touches base on that in the least. I hope they consider revamping the towns and expanding them outwards and giving us more space for multiple reasons. That would allow player housing similar to that of EQ2 if they go that route and allow us to ride the mounts in town. I personally only experience any sort of lag in Uldah and that is because majority of the players are either sitting there crafting, talking or selling stuff from their bazaars all in a small concentrated area.

So I say again I would like to have mounts in town assuming the cities were made bigger when they rework the zones. But I agree it wouldn't work as well in the current towns and they have not said anything of changing the towns. Wishfull thinking.

expanding the towns?

easiest way to do this would be to open up the 3rd layer and whack the company hall up there. or hell, even put it on the second level of uldah.

i dont understand why we have to have the market wards, the grand company and that other place for the storyline missions all crammed into the same stupid archway.

thats what pisses me off the most about the game, the same stuff shoved into 1 "teleport" location.

its a cheap COP-OUT from having to do any real work. alot of what SE is putting is feels like half hearted attempts with no real thought to how it'll impact things like how people will move around the city and so on
i mean jesus SE, is it so hard to open up another patch of town or make use of an empty chamber already there? or hell, even ADD a room to a relatively unused part of the city.

how often do you see people near the weaver guild? unless your a weaver and need to buy items/get guild support, its deserted, RELOCATE THE GRAND COMPANY OVER THAT PART OF UL'DAH!

make people spread themselfs out a little more. it would also help congestion in terms of lag

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Originally Posted by lenn1

You probably didn't play during launch when it was 20x the amount of people running around. Frame rate was never the issue since things loaded a bit slower depending on how crowded it was.

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You probably didn't take a look at my lodestone before making that assumption. I've been playing since early closed beta.

When the game was that crowded, I could hardly craft. I could not craft without R0ing with all the people around. In fact, it wasn't up until November that the R0ing stopped. Half of that was probably due to the fact that the UI and server configuration sucked, but the game could not handle that many people, and I was by far not the only one to experience that issue.

I would imagine if that many people were to play again the R0 problem would happen less since they made many upgrades to the server and its hardware; however, it does not stop the fact that your computer and the connection itself has to render all of those entities that appear on the screen. Chocobos in towns will make that lag worse.

"The only problems we had were the repair NPCs not loading fast enough or doors would take 2 mins to open which were later fixed". No, the doors may have been fixed in some cases, but the NPCs have taken up to 5 minutes to load in a crowded area when the connection was not so good. That happened a couple of days ago. You cannot say "that's the only problem" like it's a trivial thing. That's enough to make a good chunk of new players quit the game. If the game continues to have that many lag problems, it's not going to get anywhere. Throwing more entities in the cities such as chocobos for the players is just going to make it worse.

Yoshi already stated they are making action for pc's to move faster in town.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Imagine the lag, please
Remember how it was last november, where the towns was much busier? The NPCs needed 3 minutes to load and the door to the Uldah adventure guild was broken.
I don't want this again.

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SE devs should be able to fix lag instead of working around it.