Midgardsormrs children question... (post-HW so thread may contain spoilers)

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Originally Posted by DarthSanguine

That dragon is dead. That's why I said it's Vishap.

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And you think they transported his body from the Steps of Faith to Coerthas Western Highlands and then chained him up because. . .?

The chained and frozen dragon looks similar to Vishap, but slightly different if you compare them. It is isolated in a hidden place in Red Rim, and it definitely doesn't slain to me, it looks imprisoned. I'll take a better picture to show what I mean. It also seems to have both eyes which are a dull red, but it is hard to tell in blizzard weather. Coords are 19,26.

Our frozen friend:
http://i61.tinypic.com/2s8lh0m.png

Vishap:
http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/ca7...f21ff1fc_2.png

Notice how Vishap is bulkier and quite possibly a bit larger than the other. I easily fit frosty into my camera for a picture, fitting all of Vishap from right next to him is pretty darn hard if not impossible. This mystery will probably end up being covered within the 3.X storyline, or it's just a total lorebomb we are getting teased with. Could it be a progenitor or kin of Vishap? definitely. It looks a lot like a smaller, frozen version of him.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

And you think they transported his body from the Steps of Faith to Coerthas Western Highlands and then chained him up because. . .?

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Cruelty and psychological warfare. Vishap was Nidhogg's champion and to see him/her chained up like that will distress other dragons. If you did some of the side quests in in the Convictory we find out that dragons do at least try to take their dead and have mourning rituals.

Even if it's not Vishap, it could be a Vishap-like dragon they managed to defeat not too long ago

As for the theory that Shinryu is one of the seven, I am sorry to disappoint you.

If you select japanese language, you'll see, that Alphinaud and Estinien are calling Hraesvelgr Shinryu, while Ysaille is calling him Hraesvelgr, so it seems that the common name for most people in the japanese version is Shinryu while he is called Hraesvelgr for the Ishgardians and especially the people in Dravania.

Do it, select japanese voices and watch the cutscene where Iceheart, Alphinaud, Estinien and the WoL are talking to Hraesvelgr for the first time.

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Originally Posted by YGSLlew

As for the theory that Shinryu is one of the seven, I am sorry to disappoint you.

If you select japanese language, you'll see, that Alphinaud and Estinien are calling Hraesvelgr Shinryu, while Ysaille is calling him Hraesvelgr, so it seems that the common name for most people in the japanese version is Shinryu while he is called Hraesvelgr for the Ishgardians and especially the people in Dravania.

Do it, select japanese voices and watch the cutscene where Iceheart, Alphinaud, Estinien and the WoL are talking to Hraesvelgr for the first time.

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This is incorrect. What they actually say is not "Shinryu" 神竜 but "Seiryu"　聖竜　which means "Holy Dragon". This is just their way to address Hraesvelgr with respect, same as calling a King "Your Majesty" instead of saying his name.


As for the possible names of the remaining two great wyrms, we know that all the dragons that settled in Eorzea have old norse names, while those who went to Meracydia (Bahamut and Tiamat) have names that come from middle eastern mythology. If this isn't just a coincidence it is well possible that one Dragon went to the Othard Continent, in which case "Shinryu" would be probably his\her name.

This is my guess on who are the other two,
Dawn Father and Dusk Mother.

Would not surprise me if they decided Eorzean
Dragons = Nordic names
Meracydian = Arabic names
Othardian = Asian/Japanese names

Something possibly new to add to the discussion... in 3.1 new sightseeing log entries were added, including one for The Cathedral in Azys Lla. The description reads as such;

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The Cathedral
A cathedral designed in a distinct Meracydian style. The architecture suggests a place of worship by a tribe of treelike beings who believed themselves 'remnants' of Sephirot. To research the link between faith and primal summoning, the Allags moved the ancient structure to Azys Lla from its original location on the southern continent.

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Given that the structure is Meracydian, what if Sephirot is actually one of Midgardsormr's seven brood? We already have evidence of the firstbrood being worshipped in the past with Bahamut, and the moogles in the Churning Mists are practically willing servants/guardians for Hraesvelgr. The "tribe of treelike" beings could be something similar.

That description sounds like its pointing to the Warring Triad in Azys Lla. I could very well be wrong just a guess, but sounds like that the "ancient structure".

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Originally Posted by Daenarys_Targaryen

That description sounds like its pointing to the Warring Triad in Azys Lla. I could very well be wrong just a guess, but sounds like that the "ancient structure".

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Nah, it's a Sightseeing Log entry (#62) for The Cathedral, found at x24, y28, which is the "ancient structure" being referred to. It could definitely just be an offhand FF7 reference, or possibly some other kind of Mercydian god or primal. Or, you know... could be a one-winged dragon.

No, it's not a FFVII reference. Dear God, Sephirot predates VII's Sephiroth by at least 2000 years, the term has religious connotations.

It's a reference to the Triad; I believe it was the Fiend who was originally called Sephirot in the original design artwork from FFVI.

One thing that I'm surprised about is how nobody's really looked closely at Tiamat's colouration. The concept art is actually accurate, which also helps point out which dragon is Ratatoskr, if the horns aren't enough.

Tiamat actually has green on her - the only issue is that for all intents and purposes it looks as if her main colour has become, well, discoloured for a lack of better word. If I knew how to post images, I'd definitly put one up, otherwise if you want confirmation, her tail is the best place to look at, along with her wings.

Also, having a closer look at Tiamat and the various things impaling her is quite disturbing.

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Originally Posted by Ziatrix

One thing that I'm surprised about is how nobody's really looked closely at Tiamat's colouration. The concept art is actually accurate, which also helps point out which dragon is Ratatoskr, if the horns aren't enough.

Tiamat actually has green on her - the only issue is that for all intents and purposes it looks as if her main colour has become, well, discoloured for a lack of better word. If I knew how to post images, I'd definitly put one up, otherwise if you want confirmation, her tail is the best place to look at, along with her wings.

Also, having a closer look at Tiamat and the various things impaling her is quite disturbing.

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On earlier posts here, we determine who was Ratatoskr. Dont pay much more attention to the colors of the dragons on the concept art, only their looks.

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Originally Posted by Frederick22

On earlier posts here, we determine who was Ratatoskr. Dont pay much more attention to the colors of the dragons on the concept art, only their looks.

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Oh, I know, I know, it's just some more proof I wanted to throw around. I've been studying that image waaaay before I saw this thread, as I would like the chance to draw an accurate, or at least semi-accurate, Ratatoskr. :3

Also I agree, concept art is never really the greatest representation for accurate colour schemes.

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Originally Posted by Ziatrix

Oh, I know, I know, it's just some more proof I wanted to throw around. I've been studying that image waaaay before I saw this thread, as I would like the chance to draw an accurate, or at least semi-accurate, Ratatoskr. :3

Also I agree, concept art is never really the greatest representation for accurate colour schemes.

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On the heavensward cutscenes we saw a medieval paint of Ratatoskr. On the picture we see a dragon with 4 horns. Based that is not Nidhoog , we can asume which one is on the concept art. Also Ratatoskr is between his 2 brrod brothers that we saw on the expansion.

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Originally Posted by Khyzen

Something possibly new to add to the discussion... in 3.1 new sightseeing log entries were added, including one for The Cathedral in Azys Lla. The description reads as such;


Given that the structure is Meracydian, what if Sephirot is actually one of Midgardsormr's seven brood? We already have evidence of the firstbrood being worshipped in the past with Bahamut, and the moogles in the Churning Mists are practically willing servants/guardians for Hraesvelgr. The "tribe of treelike" beings could be something similar.

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Nope, it's a reference to the Warring Triad. The FF wikia says this:

"In the original concept artwork by Tetsuya Nomura, the Warring Triad are named beyond their basic titles: The Goddess is Sophia, the Demon is Zurvan, and the Fiend is Sephiroth.

Sophia, Greek for wisdom, is a central idea in Hellenistic philosophy and religion, Platonism, Gnosticism, Orthodox Christianity, Esoteric Christianity, as well as Christian mysticism, and is commonly represented as a goddess. Sophia is also a primary deity in Gnosticism.

In Zurvanism, Zurvan is the god of infinite time (and space) and is Aka Manah ("one", "alone") deity of matter.

Səphīrōth (סְפִירוֹת, medieval Hebrew form of Sephirot), is a plural noun in Hebrew; the singular is Sephirah (also spelled Sefira). The Sephiroth are described in the Kabbalah as the manifestations of God that allow Him to manifest in the physical and metaphysical universes. Sephiroth also means "counting" (of numbers).

Each of the three names represents the highest levels of knowledge and power in their respective religions."

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Originally Posted by Magnesium02

So revised:

http://i.imgur.com/TPG2RHZ.jpg

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Thinking on the unidentified dragons, the one with a narwhal-like tusk (circled in blue) has a distinct yellow coloration, which leads me to wonder if it is based on the Yellow Dragon (Huanglong / Ouryu).