People Need to Start Respecting Healers More

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Originally Posted by Gunspec

Are you so rich you can't click a few times for money? I feel sorry for you

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He doesn't need your sympathy you plebeian!

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Originally Posted by Bluevann

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Alright, I was overly snarky. I apologize.

But people in this thread are saying that they are too lazy to click 2 or 3 times, and that's kind of absurd to me. I clicked a dozen times just within this thread, and I probably click on things a hundred times or more in each dungeon. When you consider that those few extra clicks are helping a player get one degree closer to a pet, glamour, or mount, isn't that worth it? Can't everyone spare a few extra clicks?

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Originally Posted by Gillionaire

He doesn't need your sympathy you plebeian!

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Yeah, I am a pleb. Spare a click mister? I've got a starving child and bum leg! Just a few more clicks will do me right!

Commendation are meant for your good behavior. Act good might be helpful.

Personal order of priority for giving out commendations:

1) Fellow lalas (represent!)
2) People who were especially helpful
3) People with amusing names/glamour
4) DPS who did good (because they deserve some appreciation after queuing for half an hour)
5) Healer/tank if they didn't already ditch the party as soon as the run ended
6) Anyone else if they happen to be the last person left in the group (might as well give it to someone...)

I don't believe in giving commendations to tanks/healers just for doing their role properly, you should be doing those roles because you want to, not just because you get fast queues and easy commendations, incentivising people too much to play roles they're uninterested in learning how to do properly just leads to an overall decline in the quality of players.

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Originally Posted by JimboTCB

I don't believe in giving commendations to tanks/healers just for doing their role properly, you should be doing those roles because you want to, not just because you get fast queues and easy commendations, incentivising people too much to play roles they're uninterested in learning how to do properly just leads to an overall decline in the quality of players.

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Well, poor quality tanks and healers are easily noticed and unlikely to actually get commendations. I don't see an issue with giving commendations to roles which are in high demand as long as they're doing their job properly.

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Originally Posted by Gunspec

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Well, the reason I don't usually give commendations is because when I'm repeating a duty for farming, nobody really stands out, can't decide to whom it should go to, so I don't bother with it.
Only case I make a conscious effort to give commendations is when I want to experience boost for leveling a character, but the 1000gil really isn't much of a motivation for me to go out of my way to commend people. Otherwise, I'll just throw it to the other healer if I was slacking. If the other healer made me work extra, then usually nobody gets it. As a healer, I can see quite easily who's getting hit by telegraphs and what not


Sure, if my clicks will put food on your table, I'll gladly send some clicks your way :)

I normally don't commend ppl for playing their job, tank for tanking, healer for healing etc. It's their job and it's expected from them to do so. I did observe though when I'm healing and my tank doesn't bother to use any of his cooldowns and is getting hit like a boxing bag and almost dead every pull, I won't get any commends. On the other hand, when my tank uses his cds and allows me actually to dps, I will get commends. Also when I'm on smn and help the party by res'ing when healers are dry and E+E when it's up I don't get a single commend, even though I didn't just stand there and spam Ruin while my party was dying around me, which is something I hate seeing on other smns. People don't bother to see the bigger picture and analyze who was playing with their team or who didn't.

I will commend when I see:
1- tanks on low dungeons clearing all rooms, using their cds, going for adds when they OT, watch for the party's enmity.
2- healers who esuna when needed (god what is it with healers lately? do they have to pay for esuna/leeches?) and not just cure when there's a dot to be dispelled.
3- smns who resurrect without having to be told, send their egis to adds that need to be killed asap, e.g. portals on WoD.
4- blms who apocastasis weakened players during a major aoe and.
5- any dps who doesn't ignore mechanics and adds to stay at top for parser on the boss.
6- anyone who plays with the party, not an offline game that happens to be connected to the internet

I won't commend if I see:
1- lazy tanks, no adds, no cds, penis comparison at bosses.
2- healers on medica2 spam, no esuna, keep dpsing when players need to be healed
3- any dps who just plain ignores everything, doesn't dodge even if you bribe him to, no ballad/requiem/goad/heavy thrust/flare at full mp
4- anyone who just looks for his own penis enlargement, stressing the rest of the party

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Originally Posted by Bebekurenai

2- healers who esuna when needed (god what is it with healers lately? do they have to pay for esuna/leeches?) and not just cure when there's a dot to be dispelled.

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See, I'm leveling a healer now (finally) and I don't get why anyone WOULDN'T do this. Because I'm going crazy on Scholar without this spell for now.

Seeing a DoT on someone is freakin' stressful. Like someone low on health, it's a problem that needs dealing with ASAP. The game is so clear about what you do in your role, that why would you think for a moment you're NOT supposed to fix that?

My order/criteras

1. DPS that perform as expected from their gear (this is more rare then gaius cards), if you use foe a lot you have a good chance of getting com for that
2. Tanks that use CD's correctly and maximise their dps, dropping defiance on bosses when vengenace or tob/conv is availible etc
3. Healers that stance dance correctly
4. New ppl that announce that they are new and willing to lissen to tactics etc as long as they are decent on their job which they normally are, it seems to go hand in hand.
5. Friendly and/or helpful players

When i play DPS i find that i often get more commendations based on gear than my actual performance. it was the same with both SCOB and FCOB gear. I normally get a couple of commondations halfassing stuff when i do it with jobs that has dreadwyrm weapon/gear.
I rarely ever get any commendations on my i112 bard singing foe several times each fight and doing 100-150+ dps more then #2 in my group in 24man content.

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I main WHM and WAR. It's true I get most of my comms from WAR and the occasional WHM.

Thing is: People see Tanks first → Melee DPS → Healers → Ranged DPS

Tanks are often seen as the "leaders" of the group as they run upfront and are always in line of sight. Getting bashed by all mobs. Often thus the center of the party.
Melee DPS are often seen, yet their impact is hard to gauge for other group members thus they often get overseen. Only when they go above and beyond duty do you notice them.
Healers are noticeable when you need health or go down. Yet healing is seen as our job thus healers often get overseen as well.
Ranged DPS Often unnoticeable. You often don't see them. Barely see the impact they are making and same with Melee DPS when they go above and beyond duty do you really notice their value.


That being said:
Tanking is the most stressful job, Healing next, DPS afterwards.

Someone made a joke\Analogy a long time ago and it seems to fit here perfectly:
Tanking is a job. Healing is Responsibility and DPS is fun.
Why? Tanks needs to know the fights inside and out, it is their job to keep people safe and keep aggro on them. When a DPS or Healer messes up it is the tanks job to fix it. However it is the Healers responsibility to keep everyone alive. If the tank doesn't do his job, it is up the healer whom is responsible to ensure that the group survives. DPS is fun, if you mess up it's the tanks job to fix it and the healers responsibility to keep you alive during this period of time so the tank can remedy the situation.

Do not misunderstand me, I'm not saying DPS isn't important and this is not my analogy. However if tank dies it can be remedied by the healer, if the healer dies it's a wipe 95% of the time (Assuming 4 man content ofcourse.)

My commendations therefore go to the person whom I think was playing best. If I think everyone was doing lousy? I won't give any comms at all.

If I see bard using shadowbind on a target, that group is burning down now, he will not get any commends from me, no matter how good he is in overall.

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Originally Posted by Elmeron

I know I am a good healer, so it has nothing to do with that either. I just don't feel like people respect healers as much in this game as tanks and their job is just as important. We keep you alive! Make sure to give us some love every once in a while too.

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This made me twitch a little. I'm sorry, but you have to define what is a "good healer". It's obvious that good healer doesn't let people die (accidents happen of course), knows how to manage mp, doesn't overheal to steal hate from tank etc... Then here comes the other part where people will start have different opinions; is a good healer someone who can throw in some dps? IMO doesn't matter as long as you can manage to heal.

As far as commendation goes for me, well... You get one from me if you're a cool kid, have fun and do your job. Last time I gave commendation to someone was a BRD in Snowcloak and he greeted us with "Hello" and sang Foe's to our BLM(was running with FC mates for relic). I didn't get his commendation in the end but did I mind? No, cause I had fun.

I have more than you just playing black mage and having unlocked less. You sure you're playing alright? Because good healers DO get noticed. ;)

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Originally Posted by Mahri

See, I'm leveling a healer now (finally) and I don't get why anyone WOULDN'T do this. Because I'm going crazy on Scholar without this spell for now.

Seeing a DoT on someone is freakin' stressful. Like someone low on health, it's a problem that needs dealing with ASAP. The game is so clear about what you do in your role, that why would you think for a moment you're NOT supposed to fix that?

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Because there are many DoTs in low dungeons that are utterly ineffective regarding the damage they do. Like the poison in Totorak, you are better off ignoring it completely instead of sacrificing GCDs for those.

However, status effects like slow or paralyse should be esunaed asap.

I main sch and war but have all classes 50. My xp is out of ca 1200 commies (I barely run stuff not premade) I made around 100 while leveling dragoon 70 while leveling pally (only 2 classes I leveled after commies were implemented and nin I grinded crazily in 3 days with friends so cannot count). As sch I got majority around 400 commies war I guess 300 the rest is randomly of some other classes... I lately play lots on dps classes because the light grind made me sick of tanking and healing dungeons and I rather go lolwutt??? when I leave a duty with 3 commies.
I think tho its not only a matter of role, there are many reasons to commi someone:
Be it skill (and be it only the 1 nin that doesnt goad the tank or the bard that keeps straight shot up/the drg with heavy thrust), a funny joke someone made, a hint someone gave on rotation or boss and there also is the trading (I do it at times when someone helps us out in progress and noone impressed me)
These are actually the points that make me give em but its up to everyone himself.

Most of my comms go to people who are generally just nice and helpful to the group, especially those who just entered the dungeon first time. There was this one tank who helped our group through Halitali HM as two members of our group were new to it (including me). He was very patient and gave us advice on the boss battles. =3

Anyway, I prefer to give my comms to people who deserve it. I don't waste them on people who bully or belittle other players. Sure they may be probably pro at what they do. But there's no excuse for acting like a jerk to other players who are still learning or trying to do their best. It doesn't matter if you're tank, healer or a DPS, if you are a nice and friendly player, who helps other players, give advice on bosses when needed and just enjoy the game and have fun instead, then you will earn my comms. Anyway, that's just my opinion, you can either agree or disagree. =D I apologise if I ranted too much. I tend to get carried away sometimes. XD

The commendations are given more on my opinion of weather your

A a fun person to be around

B a wipe saver

And lastly C just the only nice person in a party.

Their not really used to measure a persons ability or for that matter competence.

Live without expectations and be happy

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Originally Posted by Elmeron

I was talking to a friend and he said that tanking from 1-50 netted him 400+ commendations I am a lvl 50 SCH and have almost unlocked everything and am at 160 commendations... I know I am a good healer, so it has nothing to do with that either. I just don't feel like people respect healers as much in this game as tanks and their job is just as important. .

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Perhaps your friend is actually a great player and/or friendly.
God knows I rarely give any tank a commendation. (very few good, or friendly tanks around)

Personally I always commend the nicest person in the party. If there isnt one (because noone talked), I will commend a player that I noticed playing well.

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Originally Posted by Mahri

See, I'm leveling a healer now (finally) and I don't get why anyone WOULDN'T do this. Because I'm going crazy on Scholar without this spell for now.

Seeing a DoT on someone is freakin' stressful. Like someone low on health, it's a problem that needs dealing with ASAP. The game is so clear about what you do in your role, that why would you think for a moment you're NOT supposed to fix that?

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Something to do with the 2.5 seconds in which you are unable to heal anyone, perhaps.
Or the even longer time since there are multiple dots and you need 2.5 seconds to clear just one.

I try to give com to whoever I have identified as having been THE one in the group....

Tanks : if they look what is around them and actually play their class rather then be on auto-attack
Healers: if they actually heal rather then DPS without ever bothering healing even if tank is near to death
BRD : a BRD will always get my comm if he uses his abilities to help the group without being asked, I have met some of them, peopel too often forget to say ty to them when they do use those spells
DRG : probably, for me, the hardest class to judge but they do get my comm based on overall attitude
BLM : were they effective or ineffective
SUM: I still wonder when a SUM doesnt use his DoTs to help the group, but someone using their pets and dots and heals when needed are just THE player.

other then that, is comm are often subjective rather then objective. It happened that I gave no com to any as, in my opinion, none deserved it.

Giving a com is subjective. Nice if you get them but doesnt matter much if you dont any, not getting any doesnt make out of you a poor player

On a side note, to OP, the perception you have of your healing skills and what the others have may be totally opposite, jsut because you THINK you are a good healer doesnt mean that you effectively are one.

Mei

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Originally Posted by Theresa

Live without expectations and be happy

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LOL this one here gets it. This is how I was like in my first T10 run of the week yesterday.

I find I get maybe 1 or 2 comms on my WHM (if that) on most guildheists/dungeons, my archer (before she turned to bard) came out of a guildheist with 3 comms once and I was jumping for joy lol. I always make sure to say hello and thanks for group every run, and give my comms out to the person I thought was exceptional (doesn't matter what class), or if they bothered to say hello in the first place.

I don't base my respect on people's chose method within a game, really. It all boils down to their attitude and effort.

So... no, I don't think I need to respect healers more, because I feel there is no one player or role that deserves more respect than another. We work together, and I commentate on who impresses me the most.

Hmm most of my inital 500 commis I got from playing bard. The rest is a mix and match from all the jobs I have at 50 now.

As for giving commis... I won't auto commi most. I am more likely to give commis to people that actually talk, have fun and enjoy the stuff they are doing instead of rushing. And I certainly won't give commis to players that complain at the speed the tank is comfortable pulling/healer comfortable healing and so on.

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Originally Posted by Hyrist

I don't base my respect on people's chose method within a game, really. It all boils down to their attitude and effort.

So... no, I don't think I need to respect healers more, because I feel there is no one player or role that deserves more respect than another. We work together, and I commentate on who impresses me the most.

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I agree with this, and i main healer. My commendations go to people with a good attitude or those who play their job really really well.

Also, just because you are a healer it doesnt automatically mean you deserve more commendations than anyone else, or indeed good at your job. I go into DF a lot as a dps (sometimes i just need to make things explode after healing FcoB), and see some people who can not player a healer class to a high standard, these people certainly are not going to get my commendations.

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Originally Posted by Spawnie

healers always get my commendations everytime :3 without the healers no1 would survive soooooo :P

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Without the tanks no one would survive, without the DPS a fight would take so long, the healer would run out of mana, tank would die and no one would survive. It takes all types to make this work.

I commend the people that actually try to do more. If they give good advice, they get a comm, if they go above and beyond what one would normally expect of their role, they get a comm.

I have an easy way for myself. As I figure dps give there commendations to the tank or healer, When I run heals I give my commendations to dps, when I run dps I give it to the tank, and when I tank I give it to the healer

I have 743 comms and healed with white mage majority of my time in FFXIV. I'm also fairly quiet at times in parties and still get comms... maybe my character's cuteness gets me comms? >_>

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I think with commendations, the mentality goes like this.

Was it a run that was fairly uneventful? Tank most likely to get commends.
Did someone do something extraordinary that saved the day? That person will be more likely to get commends.

As a tank, I always give my commend to the one person who i felt performed the best, and it more often than not defaults to healer. I suppose I'd argue that healers would be the second most likely to receive them. But tanks also set the pace of the entire run, they decide what to pull, how much to pull, how to handle those pulls. A bad dps can be ignored, a bad healer can be compensated for some.... but a bad tank means everything is chaos.

To be honest, I only give commends up to the point i get my weekly challenge done, and then forget to most the time beyond that.

Uhmm... just because you're a healer, doesn't mean you'll get my com. It depends on a multitude of things: if you're kind; if you're a good healer; the amount of breaks... I've also noted that the way your character looks also plays a role.
I try to give my Com to a DPS unless they make numerous erroneous decisions.

Let's be honest though, the majority of the content you'd do in a non pre-made party is really easy to heal, and doesn't really deserve commendations.

I generally make it a point to give commendations to healers who are active-minded and don't forget about the DPS (i.e. actually uses Medica II during boss battles rather than wait for other people's HP to sink like a stone, uses Stoneskin as often as possible, uses Adloquium/Succor to advantage). All too often, though, I've run across too many healers who are way too slow to keep DPS alive and functioning and seem to have never put Esuna/Leeches on their hotbars.

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Originally Posted by Elmeron

I was talking to a friend and he said that tanking from 1-50 netted him 400+ commendations I am a lvl 50 SCH and have almost unlocked everything and am at 160 commendations...

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This thread is about you not getting commendations....?

Just because you're not getting commendations doesn't mean you're not respected as a healer.

honestly... I don;t want your respect in the form of a commendation
I'd like a simply "hello" at the start
I'd like to be asked if I can, and want to heal big pulls
i'd like you to wait those 3 seconds for protect to cast
I'd like you turn around and make sure I'm behind you or in line of sight before you run off and grab mobs.

i get 2/3rds of my comms on dragoon anyway, usually falling into the "OMG a dragoon that didn;t suck! have a commendation."

I pretty much always give a commendation to someone. It'll generally be to the tank if I'm a healer, to the healer if I'm a tank, or to the other DPS if I'm DPS. This is what I do if the run is normal and unremarkable.

If my normal commendation target is rude or unpleasant, though, I'll give the commendation to someone else. Additionally, if someone else is exemplary or in some other way goes above and beyond, I'll give them the commendation instead of my usual target.

I'm almost at 900 now. It felt like getting to 500 took forever but getting from 500 to 1000 is going faster. I have been playing healer more and tend to get at least one commendation per run. When I do four man dungeons I usually commend the tank unless they pulled without paying attention to the party composition. For example, pulling as though there are two black mages when the reality is that one dps is a melee with less hp than me; I'll give it to that melee dps for keeping up anyway. But there have only been a few times when I felt like I wasn't getting respect as a healer.

I used to feel this until I started playing other roles. They're all equally important. Tanks get more respect because there's so few of them. That's a community problem.

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Originally Posted by Millerna

Let's be honest though, the majority of the content you'd do in a non pre-made party is really easy to heal, and doesn't really deserve commendations.

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To be fair, none of the content that requires a non pre-made party is easy to [everything], and doesn't really deserve commendations.

I'm a healer, and I gain some commendations here and there... But as I normally Q with my MNK fiancée (meaning I normally have 2 options of ppl to commend), I normally find myself commending the person who was NOT a dick during the run. Most of the times, it's the other DPS.

The only thing I can think of is your not doing a good job, because I get commendations all the time as a WHM!