No love for V-day.

Welcome to hetronormative world.

All of the couples were also same-race, so welcome to hetroracialnormative world.

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Originally Posted by ColorOfSakura

As a fellow gay player, while I can understand being upset or left out at the lack of representation in a holiday event like this, I don't understand why you'd be outright offended by it. In the end, players last year were asked to trade chocolates with opposite gender PCs. I don't necessarily think that's an offensive concept. They said this year they weren't going to do that (make you trade with opposite gender characters). But we know that SE isn't against LGBT characters in the game. We had an openly gay couple crop up in the Wanderer's Palace HM questline, we had the Rising Vendor from last year who talked about her wife, and there have been others as well.

I do think it would have been nice for them to represent a same-sex couple in the event, but its obvious that they're not against same-sex relationships in game.

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Echoing these sentiments. Though scanning through the thread, there are people who are either getting way too offended by this, or acting way too offended by people being way too offended by this. Chillax, people.

People on both sides of this are acting like children trying to be more offended as if it's some kind of contest.

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Originally Posted by TheCurls

I'd argue that their role is larger and more noticeable. Everyone is going to do the quest to unlock WP HM. In a week, nobody will ever do this Valentione's quest again.

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I'm going to have to disagree about the importance you place on people unlocking dungeons. I am all for lore, and reading quests, however even I have been guilty once or twice on patch days of just rushing through CSes to unlock the new dungeons. Additionally, I did watch the WP HM quest unlock scene, and at first all I thought was "Oh hey, two guys wanting to help out the Tonberries, how nice." My first thought was NOT "Hoshit SE be insertin' dem homosexuals into my lore." Or... Anything at all beyond them being two guys... Standing together... Which, as far as I know, wouldn't equate to gay.

Can we please not have a heated debate about homophobia every single time ? It's a seasonal event, you get your loot and you go on with your life.

I'm gay and am not offended by this, grow a pair. (Unless, of course you enjoy the attention.)

Regards

While I understand this, I made my own heart screenshot with my male character and his husband u.u/ so I created my own V-Day and satisfied my needs this way :)

Who care?
/10char

would've been cute to see, nothing more, nothing less.

I thought the event was terrific. It was tasteful, humorous, and cute. As a gay person, I certainly did not feel offended or excluded at the lack of a gay couple. Why? Because this is a game. Furthermore, I appreciate love in all of its forms. OP would be wise to do the same if he expects it in return.

Honestly, threads like this are embarrassing and I cringe every time one pops up.

Thank you for the monthly forum privilege check, forgot to check mine for a moment there.

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Originally Posted by KodiHivaer

I'm going to have to disagree about the importance you place on people unlocking dungeons. I am all for lore, and reading quests, however even I have been guilty once or twice on patch days of just rushing through CSes to unlock the new dungeons. Additionally, I did watch the WP HM quest unlock scene, and at first all I thought was "Oh hey, two guys wanting to help out the Tonberries, how nice." My first thought was NOT "Hoshit SE be insertin' dem homosexuals into my lore." Or... Anything at all beyond them being two guys... Standing together... Which, as far as I know, wouldn't equate to gay.

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The point is, more people do dungeons than the seasonal quests. On top of that, this quest is only there for a week. After that, everyone new to the game and catching up and making alt characters will be unlocking dungeons and doing that quest. Yes, that quest does have higher visibility than the Valentione's one.

This kinda *is* SE's game to write it and do with it as they will. I'd like to play their version of the game and not every individuals version of how and what it should be. It's a Valentine's event for crying out loud, it isn't the end of the world because all minorities/sexual preferences/religions/cultures/personal lifestyles aren't exhibited in every event/side quest/main story quest. No one is ever going to be entirely happy with everything, it's life. I feel for SE because I see them trying, despite their own cultural differences. Then we get threads like this.

Marriage announced

Demographic cries out on the beta threads and when 2.0 launched about SS marriage, then claims SE is homophobic and discriminatory, petitions are made and articles are written against SE.

SE makes name/ overallchanges to the system to appease the loud group and everyone is happy
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Valentine's Day event comes along

Demographic cries about the event only focusing on certain groups of people and demands changes

I'm guessing SE has to change everyone so no one will be offended.

Honestly, it's only a problem if you make it a problem. People take offense to things way too easily.

You could spend forever trying to ensure you have the correct mix of race/gay/straight/bi/monogamous/pan/pologumous relationships in game.

Can't we just play for fun without crying because our exact specification isn't mirrored by an in game character.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

And you're suggesting 1 m/f, 1 m/m and 1f/f - a 2:1 homo to hetero ratio.

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2 f/m and 1 f/f
No m/m, because it is valentines day, not white day.

I am in love with myself.

And for this reason, I demand a valentines event where everyone just loves me too please.

Why am I not represented?

is just a quest, they openly show support in the eternal bond and other quests, we can argue about then not supporting interracial couples under the same statement if that so. Stop drama, FF is a nice place for everybody, except latinos their languages don't exist for SE lol but I'm not offended by that.

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Originally Posted by Felis

2 f/m and 1 f/f
No m/m, because it is valentines day, not white day.

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3 M/F and 1 F/F would be more interesting. Just swap the gender of the person giving out the quests...
Hortefense->Hortense
Like I said, missed opportunity and a unique one that could show that sexuality/love can sometimes be based on a PERSON and not gender.

actually the more i think about it the more it seems like maybe hortefense may have been originally intended to be female...

But.. but... it's just a seasonal event, just for FUN. I'm sure the devs didn't mean to offend anyone by not including same sex couples in the quest events, be glad that they let same sex couples marry. Don't think to much about it, it's just an event in a MMO.

Hey guys/girls, lets make love instead of arguing shall we?

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Originally Posted by Aldora

I haven’t participated in this years Valentione’s Day yet, but Valentione’s Day isn’t just about bearing witness to the adoration and affection of others from all corners of Eorzea.

Snippet from last years Valentione’s Day:


Valentione’s Day is also about appreciating the presence of the people around you. Spending time with friends or even people you haven’t seen before. Showing that they as well as you yourself care about their presence and gestures. It doesn’t have directly relate to “Love”.

It’s what you make of it yourself that really counts.

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What she said is pretty valid and was quite saddened this was ignored, so can we please stop the bickering about the lack of homosexual couples for one specific event and have everyone getting along for once? Whether there's representation or not does it really matter?

Ehhh... Really? OP, really?

Get over yourself. There are homosexual couples in Eorzea, it's a well established fact. So there wasn't a homosexual couple in the Valentione's quest, it's really not that big a deal. Why do you care so much to see that represented in the V-Day seasonal event quest?

It's not as big a deal as you want it to be.

Maybe next year? I don't care either way. Love is love.

The Wanderer's Palace HM quest has the most adorable gay couple. It's not like SE's trying to shove the idea of same-sex groupings away, it's just that Japan has its own ridiculous protocol for stuff like this. All things considered, FFXIV has been VERY progressive and deserves applause for all it's done for equality.

this thread is a train wreck lol

I'm all for representation as a gay/minority player myself, but there are deeper issues at hand if anyone is going to be offended over something so small in the scheme of things.

There's nothing wrong with wanting more representation in-game than same-sex bonding, but I think SE is doing an ok job (considering they're Japanese and as a society they're a lot more constricting on minority issues), and will continue to do so as time goes on. Frankly, if there was too much gay representation, I would be pretty uncomfortable as, not only are there are a lot of other real-life sexual/romantic minorities, I'm not so disassociated from straight love that I can't relate to it and respect that it's the majority.

It would be cute to see a non-straight couple in a future Valentine's event and I would definitely appreciate it, but I know my identity is validated in many other ways, in-game and out, so I'm not worried or upset at all. I think anyone this upset over this issue needs to remember that homosexual acceptance and representation has made leaps and bounds of progress in comparison to other sexual and romantic identities, particularly in this game.

Equality... in a pretend game... with cat people.

Please.... stop wasting SE's time.

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Originally Posted by Quesse

Equality... in a pretend game... with cat people.

Please.... stop wasting SE's time.

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this is the worst post in this whole thread

probably way too late but hey.

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Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

I don't know why there was no place for at least one same-sex couple in there.

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you want to know why? because the dev didn't add them. simple enough. quit making it worse than it is, quit making it an assault on gay people.

what is more offensive:
- being properly represented (by that i mean gay marriage, gay couples in lore) in all but one event (valentines).
or
- adding in a ton of "minorities" in for the sake of pleasing everyone?
the fact that they would just be thrown in just to please you doesn't sound offensive to you?

it's their game, they honestly can not please everyone. that is wishful thinking.
the fact that you're trying to force them to change or cater towards from what differs from their artistic vision can also be seen as offensive to them.

what you're asking for is "the token black guy".
and THAT is offensive.

You have to consider that SE is trying to protect the interests of both parties all the time. They allowed Eternal Bond to have same-sex unions, yes, to make homosexual couples happy, but they also changed the ceremony's name (remember Yoshida's frantic "Don't call it marriage!" in the interview?) to not offend the sensibility of those against same-gender couples. They also gave the ceremony several ways to seal the two participants (a toast, signing a document, a kiss) to give space to other kinds of boundaries between the couple. So that, to you, they can say "Yes, same-gender couples can be together!", and to those against same-gender marriage, they can say "Oh it's not a marriage. It's a pact of undying loyalty to each other. They don't even have to kiss! Even best friends can do this!".

It's a very delicate topic that can cause great turmoil in the community (and the parents of some of the younger members of the community) is one platter of the libra gets too heavy. So I personally wouldn't expect them to put any obvious hint of same-gender relationships in the game. They may put characters with obvious tendencies/behaviors (Thinking of Alexiei Mayakov in FFXI), but I doubt they'd give them partners or display them into romantic affairs. They're selling a product, and in doing so they need to please the vast majority of the potential playerbase. And the majority leans on the etherosexual side, so they will follow that approach over another.

As for Valentine being depressing to single.. as a single person, I can understand. But that's only because of how you force yourself to look at the festivity. I was raised and being taught that St. Valentine is the celebration of love, any kind of love, and until we had to separated, I mostly celebrated it with my mother (she is devorced and I'm an ever-single girl), because I loved her and she loved me. Sexual intercourse has nothing to do with St. Valentine. You can celebrate your love for a relative, a pet, or even one of your idols. To claim that it is a day just for couples is, to me, a great display of arrogance, because not everyone can have a partner, but everyone can have someone they love someway. And arrogant people shouldn't deserve a special day for themselves.

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Originally Posted by Bluevann

You have to consider that SE is trying to protect the interests of both parties all the time. They allowed Eternal Bond to have same-sex unions, yes, to make homosexual couples happy, but they also changed the ceremony's name (remember Yoshida's frantic "Don't call it marriage!" in the interview?) to not offend the sensibility of those against same-gender couples. They also gave the ceremony several ways to seal the two participants (a toast, signing a document, a kiss) to give space to other kinds of boundaries between the couple. So that, to you, they can say "Yes, same-gender couples can be together!", and to those against same-gender marriage, they can say "Oh it's not a marriage. It's a pact of undying loyalty to each other. They don't even have to kiss! Even best friends can do this!".

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The moogle even says he has no actual power vested in him by the church.

Why do people have to make video games cater of their own political agenda?

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Originally Posted by SekhmetM

Why do people have to make video games cater of their own political agenda?

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....Homosexuality isn't a "political agenda".

I came here hoping it was a thread regarding finding a date.

I am disappoint. Also single (~ladies).

I am single as well (gentleman)...Shall we date? <3

It really is quite extraordinary how so many of you come here only to diss, to complain about stupidity, to make fun of, to personally insult; obviously not liking the subject, some not even involved in the matter - and yet, in all your hostility/ignorance/displeasure, you've been contributing to keeping this thread alive. I suppose that should deserve a thank you, but since you don't care (despite your best efforts to make it seem like you do), I'm not gonna offer you one. I do thank those who actually wrote about valid and relevant points though.

On topic... If you fail to see how details like this might alienate people - I hope your kids, if you ever have any, won't turn to you asking "why is it always a boy and a girl?" when they're watching or reading their favourite fairy tales. Because regardless of your views about it and how you might be able to explain it away, it'll mean they will have been made uncomfortable and bad. Is it making a mountain out of a molehill right here? Yes, perhaps; but it is these small steps that can be done to change things.

Yes, there are cultural differences. In real life. However, this is a fantasy world, so why transfer those in there? Also, if it's such an issue, then SE should just make up their mind about which audience they want to cater to (the Japanese or the Western), and stick with it. Because, obviously, wanting to cater to both doesn't work: it doesn't only show in this specific issue, but in others as well, for example the Heavensturn event did make me wonder just how many people have any idea what hitsuji, or a bugyo, or any other Japanese-named thing was, which are obviously no-brainers for the Japanese. Valentine's day in itself is not a Japanese thing to begin with, yet the in-game event itself very much goes by the Japanese traditions. Kind of convoluted already, but if it's so much the Japanese culture they want to base everything on, then why not have a White Day event as well? See the picture? The game is marketed and available internationally, and though (at least the majority of) the dev team itself is Japanese, they do get around the world enough and see a lot of it. Yet so many aspects seem to be focused on Japan, in design and/or the obvious audience they aim at. All the while it is a fantasy world, very loosely based on our own real one.

And for those saying "go play the game", "it's a minor seasonal event nobody's gonna remember in a week", etc - I'm not gonna say sorry either. Not everyone plays the same way. You play for progression, you wanna get through everything as fast as possible, you click through conversations and skip cutscenes, you want to get all the loot (could say "it's just a piece of gear you're gonna drop quite soon") - that's fine. Some others play for the story though, the immersion, the characters, the events. Your complaints about which job needs tweaking to be able to to execute one more action to do 10pt more damage in whatever raid is not any less or more valid than the complaints of those who couldn't care less about the ilevel of the drops from the latest ultimate mode primal.

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Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

I need a game to validate my sexuality and real life choices, how dare a culture cater to their own and not by western standards IN A VIDEO GAME!? Even with the major changes to Eternal Bonding, quest NPCs and other things representing me, other people may complain about interracial problems and token black characters but who cares about them!? MY PROBLEMS MATTER MORE THAN ANYTHING AND IF I CAN'T GET WHAT I WANT, NONE OF YOU SHOULD ENJOY THE GAME EITHER!

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^This is all I got out of that long string of text

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Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

Also, if it's such an issue, then SE should just make up their mind about which audience they want to cater to (the Japanese or the Western), and stick with it.

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^Because the last time that happened, it was when Eternal Bonding was announced and you complained about it not catering to you or western standards, when SE said "No" and then said "We'll see what happens based on what the community wants"

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Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

In real life. However, this is a fantasy world, so why transfer those in there?

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You said it yourself.

Enjoy your character as you wish with those around you, you have the freedom and the tools to do so, but also respect the vision of the writers as this is their work, not ours. They designed the NPCs to be the way they are, while also mentioning during the quest that the Valentione's celebration isn't just about male-female couples. Accept it, enjoy the story and the characters as they are, and let it go (no Frozen jokes, plz :p).

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Originally Posted by KodiHivaer

^This is all I got out of that long string of text

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You got more out of it than me. As far as I can tell, he's trying to call attention to his preferences in the same way some of the more extreme feminists would snap at a man for holding a door open for them when they're right behind the guy. Yes, I've seen it happen.

Not everything needs to be centered around a specific thing. You're asking to have something changed that could easily be swapped about and no one would notice a difference.

Also I think Lisette was inviting my female character to have relations with her. There's you homosexual couple right there. FluttershyxLisette

And do me a favor. Tell me how catering to your side wouldn't offend some of the people against it. Even if there was a balance in it, part of the storyline would offend different groups. What they have is a no-win situation.

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Originally Posted by Violyre

You got more out of it than me. As far as I can tell, he's trying to call attention to his preferences in the same way some of the more extreme feminists would snap at a man for holding a door open for them when they're right behind the guy. Yes, I've seen it happen.

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^Seriously? Damn, someone does something nice for them and they snap at people for holding a door? I'd slam it in their face if that ever happened to me.

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Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

Is it making a mountain out of a molehill right here? Yes, perhaps--

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You can stop right there. You're acting like this one event somehow negates all their previous displays of support of the gay community, such as allowing for Eternal Bonds regardless of sex or the introduction of gay characters in story quests. I can't think of too many other popular games of late that include such things. As you've said, you're making this a bigger deal than it needs to be.

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Originally Posted by KodiHivaer

^Seriously? Damn, someone does something nice for them and they snap at people for holding a door? I'd slam it in their face if that ever happened to me.

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I found it hilarious. She was screaming about how the guy must've thought that just because she was a girl, that she couldn't open the door herself. The sad part is, men do also afford some rights. If one is kindly opening the door, the only thing appropriate would've been "thank you" or "you can go on." They need to earn their respect before they can start earning ours, and this childish prattle like the OP of this thread are the people who make people look down on LGBT groups. You look down on us as seeing us being oppressive against your rights, but then DEMAND that your rights should be more important to than ours with no thought to any consequences that might occur in the future.

Just sit back and think for a moment about how you're going about this. Rather than posting a long-winded argument that SE is suppressing homosexuality, come up with some suggestions for future events that could be done. Activities that would bolster the community, and make people come together.

In the end, all we are are human.

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Originally Posted by LionKing

I am single as well (gentleman)...Shall we date? <3

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Your offer intrigues me. :3 Maybe just make alts on the other one's server?