Unfun fact: PSN is always down. EVERY. DAMN. DAY.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

All I see is a bunch of PC master race people thinking they are superior, a console life span is what like 10 years? Day 1 you pop in a game and play it no problems, year 8 you can still pop in the latest game and play it no problems. Now you can buy brand new computer today and play all your glorious games at max settings but what about 5, 6, 8 years from now? To continue playing at max settings you most likely have to upgrade your system or buy completely new one. You going to be pouring a lot more money into a PC to play the latest games then you do for a console which is why lot of people prefer it. Also this whole topic is about not being able to get on PSN to play one game FFXIV not other games which I quote from earlier post

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Can I call a BINGO on this thread now?

Console vs PC lifespan is a joke of an argument to use. Here's why:
Take a PS4 for example. Let's say it has a lifespan of 10 years until Sony phases it out for the PS5. Any game made for PS4 will run on the PS4 throughout its lifetime. Let's use Battlefield 4 as an example. Now, take a PC capable of running Battlefield 4 that was built on PS4 release day. Through some method we have made it so that you cannot modify the parts in this PC.

Fast forward 10 years. The PS4, by its nature as a closed-box system, has the exact same hardware as it does the day it was bought, maybe with some new controllers. Since we sealed off the PC, it will also have the exact same components that it did 10 years ago, maybe with a different keyboard+mouse.

What your argument is saying is that in the 10 years since the PC was built, its components have magically downgraded themselves to a point where they cannot run Battlefield 4, but that the PS4's components have not done the same.

If anything, the exact opposite will happen: because you can change out parts on a PC as you see fit, if, say, 5 years down the line you decide that your GPU/CPU/other just doesn't quite hold its weight, you can put a new one in, choosing something in the price range that works for you. On the PS4 side? I guess you can install an SSD.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

It's a direct reply to the point raised by the other poster regarding their reasons for not using a Sony product, hardly a straw man.

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The way you wanted him to show you a company that didn't have policies like that was a straw man. It doesn't prove anything. It's a distraction from the point because it doesn't matter what other companies do in this instance. You're trying to make some sort of misguided point about the industry when it really isn't relevant. I'm not going to knock down how pointless that is any further because that's the kind of distraction straw men seek out to make.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

If you want to limit yourself to the differences in two platforms for the purposes of playing the game, then you (and others) should limit yourselves to the external authentication mediated by PSN, and cut the PC master race crap.

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I specifically pointed out that this was the difference did I not? Where did I deviate from pointing out that specific detail?

Also, my PC doesn't have this problem like playerstations do. So PC Master Race all the way. It's a legitimate reason to prefer PC and to think it's better in general. Yes, for the sole reason of an external authentication mediated by the company. It's enough reason for me. So why don't you stop making assumptions about what specific individuals think just because they said the phrase "PC Master Race."

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Originally Posted by Elusana_Celah

Actually us "pc master race" people are offering a valid solution. This isn't SE's problem, it's Sony's bureaucracy being pushed upon you being forced to sign into their network. If you want to use their consoles, you gotta suck it up and deal with their policies. SE has no control over what Sony is enforcing on the Playstation gamers, but if you went the route of a PC, you wouldn't have to put up with Sony's crap anymore.

I'm not interested in debating with people over 'opinions' or overly dramatic statistical data. I'm stating a simple fact. I feel for you guys but this is also why I don't buy Sony products. I know their policies suck, so I don't support them with my money. Keep giving Sony your money and you keep supporting the things you hate. Capitalism 101.

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I am fortunate enough to afford to build and upgrade my own high end PC and buy every new console/handheld that I want to get. Having said that, converting to PC is not a valid solution for everyone. Assuming it is showcases a rather elitist attitude you have, where you expect people to have the same values and desired products that you do. Take for example the Wii U or any Nintendo related system. Are you expecting to see any Nintendo exclusive games on the PC anytime soon? There are quite a lot of them. If so, you're not exactly the most desired person to receive advice from. Fun fact: I've spent a significantly larger amount of hours on my Wii U and 3DS than I have with any XBox or PS related games/consoles combined. Would I play those games on PC instead? Maybe... probably not though, because I like the old console feel, and therefore additional value behind console.

Granted that FFXIV is not on the Wii U, it can still be a side cost to someone that you're claiming this "valid solution" to be for. Maybe they have kids or are not as well off as others, but they still prefer to utilize consoles for that good old feeling many of us older folks used to have playing our Atari/NES/SNES/Genesis/etc consoles (and enjoy those console exclusive games). Can you illegally obtain games to play on your PC? Sure, but again, you wouldn't be the most desired person to give advice for a number of reasons (morals, buggy emulators/roms, etc).

Just FYI, Sony is involved in way more than gaming. In fact, gaming is not even close to their majority financial income and profits. So you apparently believing you're sticking it to them by not buying their products is not even remotely of concern to anyone. No need to state such things here.

I do agree however that, if you ignore additional variables at hand, PC tends to have the majority of pros, compared to cons, in choosing to go that route. It is BS to have to deal with PSN or any sort of middleman mediums to do something that's not directly related to it (such as logging into FFXIV). The OP does indeed need to complain to Sony (albeit a futile effort) instead of SE and just deal with it for going that route. If the PC solution is not the viable solution for such cases, then unfortunately for them, there is no solution. Converting over to PC isn't the end-all, be-all solution to everything.

So the thread goes from complaining about PSN again to yet another drawn out PC vs Consoles circle jerk. Yep.

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

Assuming it is showcases a rather elitist attitude you have, where you expect people to have the same values and desired products that you do..

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You're also ignoring that PC's don't have the problem suggested in the OP. Since Sony likely won't remove this limitation we are stuck with one system having a problem where the other doesnt. That status quo has no indication of changing. When it comes down to it "Get a PC" is the only answer that will ever solve the problem in the OP at a personal level. It's not just elitism as it's literally the only change an individual can personally make that will fix the problem. It's just an inconvenient truth that a lot of people don't want to face. PC won't have this problem so if it's bad enough for you get a PC. If you can't/won't get a PC go complain to Sony, learn to deal with it and be quiet about it, or quit playing. That is 100% of what this entire thread boils down to.

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

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I fail to see how I qualify as an elitist? You aren't going to change Sony's policies by complaining on this forum, hell I am sure Sony isn't going to change their policies even if you complain to them directly. I'm stating that if it is a horribly big problem you could try to figure out how to convert to a PC gaming platform. If it isn't a super big problem and you can tolerate it then there's no need for this thread? I'm trying to speak some facts and logic and am met with nothing but fanboyism for Sony and console gaming. You have no choice but to deal with Sony's policies so there is no purpose to a complaint thread about the things you can't tolerate.

Yeah I made the PC master race comment to try to be 'funny' but come on. There's a ton of console games I can't play cuz I'm using a PC that I would really love to play but I don't really like console gaming much at all due to a ton of reasons and I don't really want to give people more reasons to argue with me so I'll keep these opinions to myself.

I get it, converting to PC is an expensive first time investment and if you aren't computer savvy it can be a royal pain to make a safe and well protected PC as well as all the maintenance involved to keep it up to snuff. But despite my coming off as a PC elitist, I was merely stating that the console restrictions you may face through companies like Sony are there to stay and there is no solution for it since you can't stop Sony from doing what they are doing. So if it's really something you cannot tolerate at all, it might be time for a platform change?

That's how I see things... You cannot influence Sony and yes I believe that if enough people stopped buying Sony products over a decision they made, it would influence their decision making a bit. Still I am not going to use my money on things I don't really care about so even if that makes me look stuck up or elitist or whatever else you want to say about me then fine. I try to look at everything from a logical and realistic perspective so please don't overlook everything I say and pass me off as a PC elitist simply because you don't like something I've said.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

You're also ignoring that PC's don't have the problem suggested in the OP. Since Sony likely won't remove this limitation we are stuck with one system having a problem where the other doesnt. That status quo has no indication of changing. When it comes down to it "Get a PC" is the only answer that will ever solve the problem in the OP at a personal level. It's not just elitism as it's literally the only change an individual can personally make that will fix the problem. It's just an inconvenient truth that a lot of people don't want to face. PC won't have this problem so if it's bad enough for you get a PC. If you can't/won't get a PC go complain to Sony, learn to deal with it and be quiet about it, or quit playing. That is 100% of what this entire thread boils down to.

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Not ignoring that at all. In fact, I made reference to it:

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I do agree however that, if you ignore additional variables at hand, PC tends to have the majority of pros, compared to cons, in choosing to go that route. It is BS to have to deal with PSN or any sort of middleman mediums to do something that's not directly related to it (such as logging into FFXIV). The OP does indeed need to complain to Sony (albeit a futile effort) instead of SE and just deal with it for going that route. If the PC solution is not the viable solution for such cases, then unfortunately for them, there is no solution. Converting over to PC isn't the end-all, be-all solution to everything.

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The point is that this whole PC master race stuff is pointless regardless. While the OP hasn't stated so (as far as I know), others have stated their case on the matter of being console. To them, the same thing that I said holds true, and is just as you ended with. They have to just complain to the proper outlets and deal with it for NOT (forgot to include that somewhat important word) going the PC route (regardless of reason). Spouting PC superiority however is pointless and serves nothing but fuel to start a stupid PC vs Console "war" (more like playground fight). Some people say so in jest, but others will defend it to no ends in such a serious manner when there's no point to do so lol.

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Originally Posted by Elusana_Celah

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I state it's elitist because it is viewed as the one and only among the PC crowd, ignoring other possibilities to why people don't see things the way you do ("you" being people in general). It's like people spouting one religion (one way, one method, one philosophy, etc) is the only way that is "right", so it tends to be bait for argument. Mind you, I didn't really mean to imply you are that way, but rather that it comes off that way lol. Apologies on not being clear with that, I just didn't really want to make it too much of a wall of text.

And yeah, I agree, there's no other recourse bottomline for the console-only crowd (regardless of reason). It's BS, as I said, but something that they need to just deal with.

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Originally Posted by PoxyPriceless

Just saying in case you want to adjust your thread title.

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May want to consider changing it to: My PC can beat up your Playstation, or some thing like that.

hmm my comment was just in jest. Didnt mean to start a war lolol

Both platforms have their problems.

As someone who plays games on both ends of the spectrum, I can say that both ends have their issues. As of late I've been playing on the PS3 due to the fact my computer has been dying, but that was due to necessity. To be a bit on topic with the OP, YES I have been seeing problems with staying connected while on PS3. Friends on PC haven't had these problems as well.

What I read here can be summed up in a few lines. "HURR PC MASTAER RAEC CONSULS SUX!" "PCS IS STOOPID AND FR CASULS"(Good lord that hurt to write, I apologize) And for those that think consoles last 10 years, that was one generation. If that's how you think all generations of consoles are supposed to be then you are rather entitled.

My point of view for "ending" this petty argument(because it is).
You want a box you can drop next to the TV, hook up and start playing? Get a console.
You want power and something you can tinker with? Get a PC.

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Originally Posted by ForsakenScholar

You want a box you can drop next to the TV, hook up and start playing? Get a console.
You want power and something you can tinker with? Get a PC.

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Sadly it's not even that simple anymore. I bought a pretty solid gaming PC last year and it lives in my living room. I've got a wireless mouse and keyboard on it that sit on my coffee table in front of me. I exclusively play games that use controller on this machine. Lots of games these days are cross platform to PC and many have controller UI's built in such that the experience is identical to console, but with far better graphical fidelity. That said your simplification is adequate for most people.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

Sadly it's not even that simple anymore. I bought a pretty solid gaming PC last year and it lives in my living room. I've got a wireless mouse and keyboard on it that sit on my coffee table in front of me. I exclusively play games that use controller on this machine. Lots of games these days are cross platform to PC and many have controller UI's built in such that the experience is identical to console, but with far better graphical fidelity.

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That's awesome. Just don't try to convince me that it cost less than a console.

On topic: There isn't anything that SE can do with PSN being down. It is Sony's call requiring that certain functions require the PSN servers for authentication.

Off topic: PCs, PS3 & PS4 are great for gaming. End of story. Slightly unrelated - I have a Rock Candy knock off of a 360 controller and FFXIV recognizes it. I don't use the controller to play as I am more familiar with mouse & keyboard.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

Sadly it's not even that simple anymore. I bought a pretty solid gaming PC last year and it lives in my living room. I've got a wireless mouse and keyboard on it that sit on my coffee table in front of me. I exclusively play games that use controller on this machine. Lots of games these days are cross platform to PC and many have controller UI's built in such that the experience is identical to console, but with far better graphical fidelity.

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You're only proving my point with that part. You bought a PC and tinkered with it so it would work basically as an entertainment center. That still falls into the second camp.

The fact is its not just an issue with the psn requirement its that it's limiting playability because it's a requirement and its unfair DONT EVEN BRING UP ANY THING PC RELATED TO THIS I SWEAR BY THE WARDEN I WILL DESTROY YOU. Any way just make it fair if we gota be limited by this I say they take the whole game down to run their own maintenance so that it's fair until they get their act together and march right in to Sony and get the requirement removed.

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Originally Posted by Black91CRX

That's awesome. Just don't try to convince me that it cost less than a console.

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I never will because that's ignorant to say and you certainly haven't seen me say it in this thread. Of course a decent pc, even a low end one, will be pricier than a console. Things get muddled a little when you consider monthly subs for online access and extra controllers and whatnot but PCs get just as crazy. A lot of people are definitely confused about the cost of a decent pc. One comparable to a ps4 in price wouldn't even be worth building imo. I'd rather save twice the money and double down to do it right instead of scraping by with the reqs for 1 game.

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Originally Posted by ForsakenScholar

You're only proving my point with that part. You bought a PC and tinkered with it so it would work basically as an entertainment center. That still falls into the second camp.

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It moves to my desk sometimes when I want to play a more modern KB+mouse oriented game. It's a gray zone between the two because of the flexibility. If anything my post specifically shows that gray zones do exist outside of those two archetypes and therefore does not prove your point as you seem to think it does. PCs can fit multiple form factors and uses and are quite flexible. Also, I didn't "tinker" with it. Right out of the box windows, with an xbox 360 controller, and an HDMI out to my TV worked automatically. That's how it's designed to function.

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Originally Posted by SinisterIsBack

hmm my comment was just in jest. Didnt mean to start a war lolol

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S'alright, I should not have taken the bait... ;)

Still, hopefully people will finally stop trying to have their 'side' win. As I've said before, it is a pointless argument, for one person a PC is the right solution, it's not the right solution for others, which of course infers the opposite which is that for another player the console is the right solution, but it's not the solution for others.

Sadly platform discussions always boil down to 'sides' and a desire to 'win'. No matter the merits of the discussion, people stick to their position making further discussion pointless.

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Originally Posted by ForsakenScholar

Both platforms have their problems.

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Indeed...

Oh, Hi Milona!

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

I never will because that's ignorant to say and you certainly haven't seen me say it in this thread. Of course a decent pc, even a low end one, will be pricier than a console. Things get muddled a little when you consider monthly subs for online access and extra controllers and whatnot but PCs get just as crazy. A lot of people are definitely confused about the cost of a decent pc. One comparable to a ps4 in price wouldn't even be worth building imo.

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You're the only PC person I've seen admit this.

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Originally Posted by PoxyPriceless

PSN being down every day isn't a fact. Just saying in case you want to adjust your thread title.

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Agreed. it should read "I refuse to pay for a decent ISP to game on so I am going to troll"

As for the parts of this thread being "PC versus Console" - that's comparing apples to oranges. People love consoles . . . people love PCs . . . it's all user preference. Both platforms can handle games like FFXIV just fine. In the case of this thread it's the guy's internet. Weather it's a cheap router, cheap modem or cheap service, either way his personal experience with connection isn't PSN.