Oh, and Moose mentioned Ramuh talking about the distant past wistfully reminiscing about the time before light and darkness. So how old is he?
Well, if by my faith I made a legend real, crafted my own god, how would he talk? Just like Ramuh did. He, informed by my view of the cosmos would ramble on about creation and the ages of eternity past, because my beliefs give him those memories. I loved my interactions with Ramuh, but I'd say don't look to him to explain the past, my theory informs me that while he is wise, its only the collective wisdom of one people group. He is a manifestation of the Sylphic worldview.
The Keeper of the Lake Elder primal
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01-16-2015, 03:39 PMRolandDebreton
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01-16-2015, 06:16 PMWyrahFhurrst
I think the thing is that Silvertear Lake is supposed to be the font of aether for the realm of Eorzea, and the Agrius crashing into it with its ceruleum engines and the ensuing explosion, caused a massive release of aether. [spoiler]This aether would be necessary in the creation of primals, in the same way as Louisoix created the primal Phoenix in himself after the failed summoning of the Twelve. The spoiler-y bit is the Alphinaud explains this whole thing at the end of Turn 12 where he explains how a Primal is born with the line "... And 'tis throught the combined prayers of the desperate - and an abundant source of aether - that primals are born..." [/spoiler] I think that what we saw with the beam of light and all of the primals shooting out of it was their (the primals') birth from the continuous pleading of their peoples and the sudden overwhelming abundance of aether.
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01-16-2015, 07:50 PMBalipuLike the Well of Eternity in the game that must not be named?Quote:
Originally Posted by WyrahFhurrst
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01-17-2015, 09:05 PMfirstsin
Can anyone share me link to the video where the Agrius crashes and the alleged seal is broken?
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01-17-2015, 09:33 PMChewy2ndIt happens in this video, though it's the Derplander experiencing it via echo.Quote:
Originally Posted by firstsin
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01-17-2015, 11:11 PMfirstsin
Hmm....
When this seal was broken a lot of "primals" (lack of a better word) seem to have flown off in every direction. Anyone got an idea how this seal was formed in the first place? -
01-17-2015, 11:58 PMChewy2nd
Due to the proximity of the Crystal Tower, it could be that the Allagan Empire had a hand in it.
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01-18-2015, 01:27 AMAlberelI'm not sure about the seal itself but from what I recall the Twelve were said to have created the lake when they created the world. It is essentially the source of aether. They were the ones that set Midgardsormr as the guardian as well. Whether this is actually true or not remains to be seen, however, and the Allagans may well have put the seal in place in order to restrict summoning.Quote:
Originally Posted by firstsin
It's worth noting that in the 2.5 trailer Midgardsormr refers to himself as our lord. He's also seemingly immortal... so it may well be true that he was created by the Twelve. He certainly isn't just a normal dragon, that's for sure. -
01-18-2015, 02:10 AMNalienI thought this as well, which begs the question... What the hell was he doing when the Allagans were going around playing Katamari Damacy with Bahamut? If he doesn't predate the Allagan, he certainly seems free of their influence/wasn't put there by them, OK he might not care about the Meracydian Dragons, but you'd think the Keeper of the Lake would take issue with the Allagans building a giant Crystal-Void Gate opening-Tower next door...Quote:
Originally Posted by Alberel
Maybe he was sleeping? I do like my theory that the horn featured in 1.0s Limsa storyline, which was supposedly used to wake/summon a great sea serpent, that the Ascian stole could have been used to wake Midgardsormr as the Garleans flew in in order to further their plans. The Battle of Silvertear Skies was the start of the games plot after all, really would expect the Ascians to have a hand in it somehow. Though really, even if the Keeper of the Lake was sleeping while the Allagans went about their day, why would the Allagans ignore him? They turned Bahamut into a giant space battery, you'd think they'd do something with Midgardsormr...
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01-18-2015, 03:42 AMAnonymooseIf the summoning also creates delusions within a primal, and not just attitudes and traits that may or may not come with information from the Lifestream, that opens up a strange challenge for the lore. How does the lore consumer separate foreshadowing from useless delusion that serves nothing as far as the story is concerned? Though, to go back to my growing theory that there truly are "great elemental spirits" of the six elements, facets of the Crystal's light, even a not-Elder primal like Ramuh might "remember" the First Astral Era... It's tough... Maybe we'll get a hint in 2.5... I hope...Quote:
Originally Posted by RolandDebreton
If they do have delusions, though, I can't help but imagine Thancred working out how to create an primal-like elemental wingman.
Lord of Swag: "Why I remember just last week when we were hanging out at the Coffer & Coffin with no females talking about sports team..."
That Guy: "Weren't you guys partying it up with those Keepers of the M-"
Lord of Swag: <FWOOOOSH>
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01-18-2015, 05:27 AMAlberelMy suspicion is that we'll get our answers after that shot through the chest. I think that was a forced echo from the wyrm lord, with the battle with him actually ALL being an echo. Note that he and the dragons in the fight all have that ethereal blue aura. Given that he's looking to be the main antagonist of the expansion (based on the logo) he should be well beyond our ability to fight at this point... but an echo would be a fantastic opportunity for some exposition and a teaser fight for the real thing later on.Quote:
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01-18-2015, 07:47 AMmyahele
According to the MNK storyline professor whena person, especially one that died horribly/with a strong will, a bit of their aether remains in the world and can more or less manifest as "ghost" and/or crystals.
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01-18-2015, 08:14 AMBalipuTwo questions. Are we sure it is midgardsomr who shoots us and not the ascian(Nabriales if I know correctly)? And, are you sure it is Mid in the logo? The one in the logo looks less serpent like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alberel
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01-18-2015, 09:54 AMfirstsinIn regards to the logo could it be the dragon in the 2.5 trailer?Quote:
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01-18-2015, 10:05 AMAlberelNot sure at all. As I said, it's just a suspicion. Iceheart received an echo from him though and it caused her to turn on her own people and summon Shiva... Whatever revelation he has to offer it seems to be important so I'm expecting we'll be treated to the same echo when we disturb him. There's currently nothing in the trailer to indicate Nabriales is even present at the Agrius' wreckage; he seems more intent on Tupsimati.Quote:
Originally Posted by Balipu
As for the logo, we don't have specific confirmation that it's Midgardsormr but it is a serpentine dragon; look closely, his body is coiled in the logo and the wings are identical to the Keeper's and very distinct from those of any Dravanian we've encountered. -
01-18-2015, 11:52 PMBalipuMaybe it is more serpentine than I saw, but still not Midgardsomr. The head is very different. M has long tendril like moustaches, and fins. His head looks quite like Leviathan's. Makes a lot of sense if you think about it, he is the guardian of a lake after all so he has to be at least semi aquatic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alberel