Yoshi, your reply to Q22 in the XVIII Live Letter was false and dishonest.

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Originally Posted by kyuven

PS3/character data limitations. Not kidding.

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PS3? No. Data limitations in terms of causing more load for people thus increasing load times? Yes.

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Originally Posted by BloodPact

You realize that was the reward for a seasonal event, right? That was in no way "magic class gear". It is vanity resembling the robes of a witch.

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But it looks like a caster robe, the thing that SE said is they didn't want new players to think tanks were mages. This robes specifically can make tanks look like mages.

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

it will be great if event gear is class/job restrict, right ? right ?

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Ugh, you again. Yes it would be, if it had two sets armor. Witch robe for casters, and broken zombie armor or something for disciples of war. Now you have more reason to the event longer. You seem to like jumping down my throat for a lot of things lately.

Glamour Guy approves this thread!


Ontopic: If we can "try-on" any clothing item as any job...why can't we glamour it? Shouldn't be hard to change a 0 to a 1 in a few lines of code.

I agree with op. I've only leveled BLM to 50 (I know, I'm a scrub) and I enjoy making creative outfits, but it just isn't possible to a great extent with the way things are now. I'm always examining people and trying on their gear with my BLM stuff and loving the exotic and gorgeous combinations that are impossible because of this limitation.

Ever since I joined almost a year ago I've noticed the disparity between outfit choices offered to DOW/tanks and DOM/BLM. From the very beginning I really wished that mages could get some armor too and was frustrated by how rarely quests would reward with stuff I could actually use while seeing that half of the things I could use, everyone could use. For being the face of the game BLM/THM back then seemed like it was getting treated like the redheaded stepchild.

Maybe there could be a lv 50 quest to unlock the ability to glamour oneself to look like any other class. Either way, mage gear needs some love, either in the form of new gear that gets away from all these robes, or more accessibility to other class types' gear.

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Originally Posted by Hestern_Nestern

Maybe there could be a lv 50 quest to unlock the ability to glamour oneself to look like any other class. Either way, mage gear needs some love, either in the form of new gear that gets away from all these robes, or more accessibility to other class types' gear.

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Awesome idea! I got really annoyed that I was forced to run around in a popoto sack for so long(It took me almost a month to level to 50; new to mmos and enjoying the story/quests).

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

But it looks like a caster robe, the thing that SE said is they didn't want new players to think tanks were mages. This robes specifically can make tanks look like mages.

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Because it's an event item. As it was said, you would likely complain if they made event items class specific and you happened to not have that class leveled or unlocked - This is why it's tagged 'all classes', so people won't get left out on event items. It doesn't match up with what Yoshida stated because it's not armor designed for anything other than to fit with the event. Technically, it's to make you look like a Witch, not so much a mage perse unless you play the semantics card.

My problem with the glamour system's restrictions isn't that I want to make my mages look like tanks or my tanks like mages, but sometimes I want a particular piece of gear for a look and I can't equip it. For instance, I don't see why a bard wearing a Boarskin Skirt would look out of place, but that item is classified as heavy melee (DRG + tank), even though it's just a long fur skirt. Similarly, Hard Leather Caligae are restricted to DoW even though they're just leather sandals that look similar to many other shoes. Nothing looks particularly un-magelike about them, but mages can't wear them. Want a dyable version of the Foestriker's Skirt (leather miniskirt) on a MNK, NIN, or DRG? Sorry, if I remember right, the only one is BRD only (Cashmere Skirt of Aiming).

There are just so many pieces of gear that don't make any sense to be restricted logically, but are.

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Originally Posted by kyuven

. Make up your mind, compose a proposal, and submit it. They're not going to make changes to "what the playerbase wants" if the playerbase can't even agree whether or not tanks should be allowed to wear dresses.
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I think the reason for the "confusion" your are seeing is that people want either 1) mage gear to be mage gear not all class or 2) all the other gear sets to become all class so mages aren't the only ones getting the short end of the stick as it were.

So really the confusion is caused by the double dealing already going on with the games gear. Anyone who mains a mage (healer or DPS) gets significantly less options for glamor than a melee DPS not to mention how many options a tank gets. And if you look at some of the melee DPS gear that is cloth based you would have to ask why a mage couldn't use it, like a shirt.

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Originally Posted by SekhmetM

Here's an idea: How about we dump this idiotic glamour prism system and just have vanity slots like every sane mmorpg out there?

Square-Enix is doing the same problem they did with 1.0 in which they're making this unnecessarily complex.

It would have been easier to just have instanced personal housing. It would have been easier to have personal rooms accessible outside the house. It would have been easier to make the coil lockout similar to crystal tower's loot lockout. It would have been easier to have never incorporated classes at all.

They do these ridiculous things to make the game more "unique" but in reality it's just it steals a lot of it's gameplay from other online games.

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T....think in those poor people who craft and sell the glamour prisms!.... I...I'm not speaking about myself, of course!... But... Think about them... For my money, errrr, they money, Glamour System shall prevail.

Alchemist outfit on bard ( can I have it? )

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Originally Posted by Adrian74

T....think in those poor people who craft and sell the glamour prisms!.... I...I'm not speaking about myself, of course!... But... Think about them... For my money, errrr, they money, Glamour System shall prevail.

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This is one of the reasons i prefer the glamour system to vanity slots, because it actually strengthens the value of other systems in the game, unlike typical vanity systems which just, well, let you equip schoolgirl outfits and swimsuits.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

See here's where your argument goes off base...

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Actually, it isn't. The "Try On" feature proves that it is already possible. It is nothing more than a choice the Yoshi 'n Crew have made. I can wear full BLM gear, then "Try On" ANY tank item in the game, and it will appear just fine and still allow me to pull out a weapon and show a pose.

Besides, your ideas still don't account for my second argument in the OP, even without the "Try On" feature brought into consideration.

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Originally Posted by Donjo

The conundrum: Players want more varied options for glamour. In specific, many would like to look like a completely different role than the one they are currently fulfilling.

The current implementation: Players can only glamour a piece of gear if their currently selected class/job can equip it. Level restrictions, other roles, grand company gear, etc. provide additional restrictions.

Possible Solutions

1. Let all classes equip all non-weapon gear that isn't specifically assigned to one job(and probably grand company). This... is bad. While it will solve the problem, it will also allow all classes to wear nearly any piece of gear. If people thought spiritbinding was a great way to ruin a party's day in the Duty Finder, just wait until you find that BLM wearing all STR gear. Completely appropriate iLvl, completely useless performance. Or, what about that Tank who, thinking it will give them more STR(it won't), wears a bunch of DRG gear to Ramuh EX and dies instantly?

2. Implement some way to perform solution one without actually allowing players to wear gear that is not assigned to their class. The feasibility of this solution is suspect, as it defies the current system of determining whether or not you can glamour something and would require more memory to be assigned to the data for every piece of equipment.

3. Implement more pure glamour gear that provides the more varied options people are asking for. ie. a set of plate armor, more magey mage robes, etc. This is a compromise solution that can be performed without altering the current systems underlying equipment.

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Again, like I said in the OP, I understand completely the concept of wanting to preserve identity to roles. But the reality is that it currently isn't. You said it would become a mess. And how is it not already a mess? A tank showing up in a leopard banana hammock isn't already a mess? Someone showing up in a wedding dress for combat isn't already a mess? Besides, a mage is currently restricted to wearing other mage gear, a point that many people are conveniently ignoring.

In regards to your #1 point... I'm not talking about letting any class wear any item... :confused: I'm talking about glamours... I don't think anyone is arguing for the right to USE any gear.

We are all sharing this digital world, so the idea of learning to accept and tolerate one another is still a very real issue as it is in that scary place called Earth. No two people share the same opinion on what they want or don't want to see on the character standing next to them. But, from what I'm reading, we do share the same desire to wear what we want, when it comes to meaningless glamours.

EDIT: For example, I HATE running through Mor Dhona and seeing 95% of every model with stark two-tone hair and odd-eye coloring. It drives me nuts. I think it's ugly and it's clearly being used 'because we can' and not because it actually looks good. But, I have no intention to demand that feature be taken away. Sure, I don't like it, but I feel even stronger that others should have as many features as possible to them when it comes to making a character. I support choice and options, even though I might might like what someone did with that ability to chose.

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Originally Posted by Ramath

Actually, it isn't. The "Try On" feature proves that it is already possible.

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If you're bringing that into consideration, try on also proves the "weapon = class" system they went with is just imaginary as well. In short, it doesn't prove much because that 'wardrobe' window isn't your physical character, you seem to feel you're knowledgeable and know the inner workings of this game and engine, you should know it's a separate module altogether.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

If you're bringing that into consideration, try on also proves the "weapon = class" system they went with is just imaginary as well. In short, it doesn't prove much because that 'wardrobe' window isn't your physical character, you seem to feel you're knowledgeable and know the inner workings of this game and engine, you should know it's a separate module altogether.

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You are arguing a completely separate point, here. You are talking about mechanics, rules of what a class should and shouldn't be allowed to USE when applying statistics. You are assuming that my character is incapable of displaying a weapon/armor item unless I'm currently the matching class. That is simply not the case. I'm talking about what a model should and shouldn't be allowed to DISPLAY. Yes, despite your arrogant assumption to the contrary, I do know my way around the software. The wardrobe window IS your character model. It's accessing the exact same file locations. Yes, my character model is already capable of displaying any weapon/armor item in the game.

My argument, one you seem to be missing completely, is that we should be allowed to display more armor options than we currently have; a point that the game itself has proven.

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Originally Posted by Ramath

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Not to burst your bubble but Tupsi is right. Glamour just makes a copy of something you can equip and projects the image. But you have to be able to actually equip it (lvl class etc) using the armoury before you can do that. After the game makes the copy it then "equips it" using the normal means but only uses the model.

Try on is just trying something on and isn't even a similar system, just because something looks one way doesn't mean it is.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Because it's an event item. As it was said, you would likely complain if they made event items class specific and you happened to not have that class leveled or unlocked - This is why it's tagged 'all classes', so people won't get left out on event items. It doesn't match up with what Yoshida stated because it's not armor designed for anything other than to fit with the event. Technically, it's to make you look like a Witch, not so much a mage perse unless you play the semantics card.

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If they are gonna say "We don't want casters looking like tanks, or tanks like casters" then there shouldn't be an all/all robe. There should be items you can get on any job, but there should be 1 caster version and one disciple of war. Cause it's absolutely dumb to say they don't want tanks looking like casters when they can wear robes too. It doesn't matter if it's an event robe or not, it allows disciples of war to look like a caster.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

If they are gonna say "We don't want casters looking like tanks, or tanks like casters" then there shouldn't be an all/all robe. There should be items you can get on any job, but there should be 1 caster version and one disciple of war. Cause it's absolutely dumb to say they don't want tanks looking like casters when they can wear robes too. It doesn't matter if it's an event robe or not, it allows disciples of war to look like a caster.

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Personally, I don't see how long robes are at all logical on the battlefield. Wouldn't they limit mobility and get caught on things? Plus, wouldn't metal or hard leather be more protective against enemy attacks and projectiles?
Armor for Mages in 2015, please!

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Originally Posted by Ramath

Again, like I said in the OP, I understand completely the concept of wanting to preserve identity to roles. But the reality is that it currently isn't. You said it would become a mess. And how is it not already a mess? A tank showing up in a leopard banana hammock isn't already a mess? Someone showing up in a wedding dress for combat isn't already a mess? Besides, a mage is currently restricted to wearing other mage gear, a point that many people are conveniently ignoring.

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I felt bad for people who played mages when I realized that I as a PLD could glamour anything under the sun, but mages and melee DPS were restricted in certain areas.

To toss in my fixes, I'd either a) open up more gear to more classes, b) separate glamour and equip tags so that a class may glamour an item but not be able to actually equip it, or c) open up glamour options on everything but coil/tomestone/AF gear (this is what I would have implemented in the first place).

Thing is, I understand that people wouldn't want to see mages in heavy armour or even leather, but I'd love to have like just a single piece of gear from DoW for my scholar. Like shoes. Whenever I try to make an outfit for my healers, it usually stumbles on the shoes. It gets sort of boring to wear the Maelstrom private's boots in every outfit just because there's no other options for roegadyn (we have silly sandals instead of knee/thigh high boots like most other races). And those acolyte (don't recall how it's spelt) shoes don't quite cut it with those flingy fringes and strange shaped shoe soles.

So far my healers and casters are stuck with the Maelstrom private boots. .__.; Monk wears them, too, but at least I have other options for monk.

in short we want more varity for DoM classes. it should be possible to increase the varity without changing the whole glamour system.

Isn't the real reason simply mechanical? It would just take way too much more programming to make glamours work the way people want them to because of how they interact with the gear system.

I certainly wouldn't mind being able to put my Alchemists' Boots onto some of my other outfits.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

Ugh, you again. Yes it would be, if it had two sets armor. Witch robe for casters, and broken zombie armor or something for disciples of war. Now you have more reason to the event longer. You seem to like jumping down my throat for a lot of things lately.

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that reply is a sarcasm. Sorry if you feel that way but it was not my intention, I just browser the forum and write reply in different thread

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Originally Posted by Penguinmayhem

Isn't the real reason simply mechanical? It would just take way too much more programming to make glamours work the way people want them to because of how they interact with the gear system.

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Yeah, I'd say that's probably it. When they first started designing the system, they set it up so that it'd align to the classes/jobs so that you'd generally have to keep the look of your class/job. Then they added pure-vanity glamours that bypassed this general pattern (and are clearly vanity, so wouldn't generally cause class confusion, since it's just 'no class'). And it may be that some items are classed in a funny way, but I think the "false and dishonest" thing is a bit overblown. It's almost certainly a question of "that's the way we programmed it". That's why they talked about "if there are specific items you'd like changed" or whatever -- because it's probably easier for them to change individual items than to change the whole system at this point.

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Originally Posted by Felis

in short we want more varity for DoM classes. it should be possible to increase the varity without changing the whole glamour system.

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Adding more variety will help but that wont satisfy all of us. There are some glamour restrictions that honestly make no sense.

Why can't I as a WHM wear a dyable version of the battlemage set? Why can't a MNK DRG or NIN wear the dayable version of the Foestriker set? Why can only mages use the Coliseum shawl/loin cloth but all classes can use the Taffeta set? These things are extremely arbitrary and make no sense. Not to mention the amount of cloth/leather armor that would look perfectly fine on a mage that we are totally locked out of for no reason. For instance the Kirimu Coat would look awesome on a mage, but NUPE!
http://assets-cloud.enjin.com/users/...al/3007841.jpg

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Originally Posted by Cutie_McSnuggles

For instance the Kirimu Coat would look awesome on a mage, but NUPE!

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Kirimu Coat would look awesome on almost every class, I wish I could glamour it to my Ninja. I might even glamour it to my Scholar.
The truth of the matter is, removing the glamour restrictions while adding a "Don't show glamour on other players" checkbox would improve the game experience for EVERYONE. People who want their unique looks could attain them, people who want classes to look like what that class can wear would see them wearing what they're really wearing without glamour in the way, and even crafters would get to sell more prisms. Everyone wins.

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Personally, I don't see how long robes are at all logical on the battlefield. Wouldn't they limit mobility and get caught on things? Plus, wouldn't metal or hard leather be more protective against enemy attacks and projectiles?
Armor for Mages in 2015, please!

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I fought in a boffer LARP as a front-line combatant while wearing long robes for two years. It's really not that hard, and if the robes are designed right, not mobility-limiting at all. I also never got them caught on anything despite having huge sleeves. I fought both single sword and, later, sword and shield without issue. Of course, I wore a leather vest over the robes and leather bracers under the robes for those sweet, sweet armor points :P

Now, going up stairs, that was hard!

The double standards and grey areas with glamour are pretty silly.
You don't want mages in tank gear and tanks in mage gear? Understandable. What about tanks in bikinis? Healers in hard leather from gathering classes? Melee in wedding outfits? Mixed signals are still gonna get sent. You can't avoid it; the above idea of allowing someone to not see glamours the same way we can choose to not see titles under names would fix the issue until people are familiar enough with the game to not get confused by glamours.
Why should a tank be able to wear a helmet that looks like it's twenty pounds but not a tricorne with a feather? Why can a healer wear a unicorn horn but not a slightly thicker circlet? Why are my White Mage's leather boots wearable but not plain old leather moccasins? Is the metal plate on my Cobalt Vambraces really so heavy that my Monk can't wear it despite having on Gloam Bracers with a similar looking metal plate? Sollorets have LESS metal than jackboots, but are MORE restrictive. I can get not wanting the bulky stuff like body armor and leggings traded over, but let's be honest, everything else among headgear, gloves, boots, and jewelry are so subtle in comparison that both job and class restrictions shouldn't exist on them.

And I know a lot of people would love to rock the Bard specific hats on any given outfit.

I believe that when they added the glamour system, they changed this game from what "they" want in certain class looks to what "we" want. I don't mind it, but its not fair for people using BLM and such that get less choices than everybody else. I also think that based on his comment about new players getting confused about roles, in light of adding this system he should rethink that. And like in my previous thread, lets get with some elemental weapon glamours please!!!

It's quite clear here that I am dressed Glamoured to tank. New players will expect all level 50 WAR's to look like this.

http://i.imgur.com/iJID5Eu.jpg
I wear a boarskin subligar dyed to match my characters skin colour as well as a Lotus Pink Tricorne now. This image is outdated.

I dunno why yall are making such a big deal about this... and what yall are asking for seems like alot to implement. A switch? Between the original unglamour gear that you are originally are wearing and the 2nd switch for being able to see the glamour items? Yall is cray cray. SE ain't gonna do that.

What SE could do is set the glamour sets to our gear sets. This would be more logical than a switch. That way if you are a blm/smn or pally/war, you can have your glamour saved on your pally gear set then have a different glamour to your WARs gear set but the same exact armor.

I really dun have an issues with my glamours but then again... I haven't lvl'd my war or smn to 50 yet.

Okay.

Yoshi I want you to make a rare glamour armor that when you collect helm, body,gloves legs and feet, it transforms you into something cool looking.

say like Werewolf or a Esper and each set is different form.

I agree with Yoshi in this regard. It will be too much confusing and hurt my eyes. We already had a lot of ppl crying over snowman glamours that ruin the game epicness in coil last year. (yep it's true and buried somewhere in forums). And we already have some weird BDSM like swimsuits (I guess Japanese style?). Tanks running around with cloths and archers with plate armour? erf what? I think we can cry over more serious things than this.

My biggest an only issue with the system at the moment, is that from 1-49 Thaumaturges wear cowls and use wands. However at 50, the shift is made to 2h weapons and separate body and head pieces. So a big part of the glamours they would have are no longer available to them. I don't see why I can't glamour a wand over my staff, or a cowl over my body.

Considering some gear already removes the look of other gear. Eg. The christmas body which covers the hand slot too.

Just wanna give this a little bump because it's important to me.

I made a thread awhile back that kinda got lost in the bajillion threads on a similar issue.
I've been wanting the option to be able to glamour wands/scepters to staves since there are a lot of nice looking wands/scepters that you pretty much never get to use since all good endgame weapons for mages are staves.
Please SE I want to glamour my pretty GC wand for my whm! :(

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ters-to-Staffs

^I have a picture of my character in this thread (don't worry it's only 2 pages long lol) showing what my finished glamour would look like if I could glamour a wand over my staff. So perfect grr! \(>_<)/

About the Acolyte's Robe the OP bought up ...

It's actually the standard uniform for high Lv ACN. Both the ACN assistant Guildmaster and the Guildmaster himself wear it.

But if you are SMN, well ... Too bad.

Come to think of it, the dyeable version (Cashemere Robe of Healing and the Direwolf Robe of Healing) are CNJ/WHM/SCH only ... You can't even wear them as ACN!

Here's more fuel to the fire:

Alpine War Jacket:
I use to be able to wear this in 1.0, as a Monk. Now it's only meant for tanks. This isn't heavy armor, this is a lightly armored leather jacket, but it's for TANKS and Dragoons. only, why?

Monks can wear ALL other leather jackets, why not this one?
http://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/...08/faillss.jpg


I have to talk about that quote from the live letter:

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A22: Unfortunately, there’s a certain image that we would like to sustain for FINAL FANTASY XIV.

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I hope everyone is doing their part to sustain the image of a tank.
http://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/...2/08/fail3.jpg

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We feel that it would confuse the new players if they see casters in heavy armor and tanks in mage gear.

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Who cares? You don't give people enough credit. People are smarter then you think; and not only that, it would be more FUN! The MORE options we have to look OUR own way, the MORE it would benefit US and OUR experience.

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However, if there’s any specific gear you would like to glamour, we will consider those requests individually so please request them through our official forums.

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ALL of them! Let us wear what we want. Excluding the AF gear of course.


The reason why I want more options, is because most of the Monk armors look very flamboyant. So there isn't much to choose from. I end up running around with no shirt on because I won't be caught dead in a lot of the options available.

I'm 100% positive that there's an on going joke about how silly they could make Monk armors, you tell me:






Actually, they are so ugly that I don't even want to see them.

If there was one thing that disappointed me about the Glamours, it's that I could not Glamour my SCH in ALC AF :(

It's too bad they didn't decide to preserve the "Look" of the game when they decided people could tank in swimsuits and foam snowman outfiits.