Cash Shop Overpriced?

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Originally Posted by Phe

Why's that anger?
Did my words offend you in any way?

A P2P MMO is a hobby where you also get a social platform to interact with other people.
I don't think that's quite the same as virtual vanity items.

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While I disagree with a lot of what she says when it comes to female appearance she has a point:

Someone stating: "The $24 you spent on a virtual horse could have gone to charity"...is, while not silly or misinformed...a bit odd to say when you're paying to play a video game, monthly..up to $120+ a year..which, too, could have gone to charity, no?

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

While I disagree with a lot of what she says when it comes to female appearance she has a point:

Someone stating: "The $24 you spent on a virtual horse could have gone to charity"...is, while not silly or misinformed...a bit odd to say when you're paying to play a video game, monthly..up to $120+ a year..which, too, could have gone to charity, no?

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Okay first of all, hobby and charity is not mutually exclusive.

But probably it is just a matter of perspective, because to me it just seems absolutely absurd to spend RL money on virtual vanity items.
I've got a clear picture of what i get for these 12 bucks a month. chatting with LS buddies, goin raid with my static on TS, having fun doing quests, dungeons and whatnot.

How exactly is that Sleipnir experience worth 24$?

Maybe charity was just one of the million examples where I personally think money is better spent for than on this vanity stuff.
I just want people to consider and think twice before they spend it on the cash shop items.

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Originally Posted by Phe

I just want people to consider and think twice before they spend it on the cash shop items.

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Thats like asking water to not be wet I'm afraid.

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Originally Posted by Teirshin

Thats like asking water to not be wet I'm afraid.

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Incorrect - You have the choice to buy from the cash shop or not, water has no choice but to be wet.

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Originally Posted by Teirshin

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Your entire argument falls flat when you consider that whether it is in a virtual world or the real world, they both serve the same purpose which is to provide entertainment. And here's the kicker, for me and for plenty of other people, what matters is not really whether the service provided is in the real world or in a virtual one, it's whether the amount of entertainment provided for the dollar is worth it and for a lot of people, it is. It's even better than shelling out 20$+ to go sit in front of a giant screen with a possible terrible experience from having to deal with the other people watching the movie. Especially since you will be able to buy the movie later on for around the same price and you'll be able to have multiple people watching it, in the comfort of your own home and as often as you want.

It's pretty hypocritical of someone like you, to go ahead and insult people who buy it just because they have the spare income and they wish to spend it on something they enjoy when you are someone who seems to support people who go to the movies and yet, the way theaters and Hollywood are successful is by using the same type of business model, making you think that you absolutely need to see "X" movie because it will be the comedy of the year, but without forgetting to remind you that "Y" movie is going to be the action-packed movie of the summer so don't miss it!

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Incorrect - You have the choice to buy from the cash shop or not, water has no choice but to be wet.

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<sigh> Some people have no gift for noticing what was blatant sarcasm and just want to put down others. Welcome to that club.

Its pretty much a given that SE is doing this cause they'll make a ton, and most players are going to pay for the things on there, otherwise, they wouldnt bother doing it in the first place.

And with EA planning to top $1 Billion in income from addons and DLC... its a given that people WILL buy stuff, and tons of it.

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Originally Posted by Dwill

Your entire argument falls flat when you consider that whether it is in a virtual world or the real world, they both serve the same purpose which is to provide entertainment. And here's the kicker, for me and for plenty of other people, what matters is not really whether the service provided is in the real world or in a virtual one, it's whether the amount of entertainment provided for the dollar is worth it and for a lot of people, it is. It's even better than shelling out 20$+ to go sit in front of a giant screen with a possible terrible experience from having to deal with the other people watching the movie. Especially since you will be able to buy the movie later on for around the same price and you'll be able to have multiple people watching it, in the comfort of your own home and as often as you want.

It's pretty hypocritical of someone like you, to go ahead and insult people who buy it just because they have the spare income and they wish to spend it on something they enjoy when you are someone who seems to support people who go to the movies and yet, the way theaters and Hollywood are successful is by using the same type of business model, making you think that you absolutely need to see "X" movie because it will be the comedy of the year, but without forgetting to remind you that "Y" movie is going to be the action-packed movie of the summer so don't miss it!

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I dont trust Hollywood to tell me whats worth watching, not one bit, they lie like a rug. I trust people I know whose opinions I value.

If it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy watching your character ride around on a virtual mount for $24, then enjoy. SE will be enjoying your money and the money of millions of others all the way to the bank for the tiny bit of effort it takes them to make a trivial virtual item then sell it to you for real money.

Its a sad state of affairs, whether anyone realizes it or not, and I'm not alone in thinking that.

And just because we disagree, doesnt make you wrong or right, or me wrong or right, but we're both free to post here what we think, so we do, if someone doesnt like it, thats fine, but we all have the same right to express it, and SE needs to know what we both think so they can hopefully make better decisions overall going forward.

People are really looking at this wrong, the cash shop funds allows them to better the game. Its basically allowing people to essentially donate money to keep the game growing. Depending on the amount you donate, you get an item.

Yoshi-P has said that cash shop revenue is being funneled back into making the game better, I believe him, if it helps give an EU data centre then I am up for that deal.

So, do you trust the man in charge or not.

It should also bare saying that you do not have to purchase a single thing, none of it affects you in game. You may want the items, but everyone has their price and this is the one they decided. So ante up, or go without.

I expected Sleipnir to be 20€ so im totally ok with it.

About the only one that made me go "Holy Crap!" was the mount but otherwise, for what they are, the other items aren't all that bad. That and as others have stated, if you want it, buy it and be happy, if you don't, do nothing and let the others be.

*Prays for Lightning hairstyle to come to Cash Shop or added to new hairstyles because I couldn't make it to the event* :C

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Originally Posted by Empress

*Prays for Lightning hairstyle to come to Cash Shop or added to new hairstyles because I couldn't make it to the event* :C

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Only if you pay 50€. Please, look forward to it!

easy way to fix this if you don't like it don't buy it i am sure when the look at there sales report of how well its doing compared to the amount of subs in the game they will re-evaluate the cost.

No we don't want them to add hair styles in the cash shop, This game is a pay to play! If they start adding hair styles via cash shop then all the stuff we would normally get ingame would be thrown into a cash shop which all those goodies we would have to pay for and pay our sub. Mounts and minions and costumes are a big start of something that could turn very ugly. I quit an mmo I played for 5 years because they became greedy and started to put everything that we used to get in game, In to the cash shop making it a rich mans game. I vote no! I pay a monthly sub so I shouldn't have to pay extra for items that should be gained in game...

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Originally Posted by Empress

*Prays for Lightning hairstyle to come to Cash Shop or added to new hairstyles because I couldn't make it to the event* :C

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Mount notwithstanding (I suppose it's priced the way it is because it's account-wide), they can't go too much lower than $2-$3 for the smaller items because a bunch of that gets eaten up in credit card processing fees. So I can't see practically that they'd go much lower than that without requiring people to buy in "blocks" and not truly à-la-carte. Of course, whether it's worth it or not is up to the buyer to decide.

Minions are cheaper compared to WoW by about $5. The mounts are more or less the same. In the end, they are just vanity items.

Personally, I thought about getting the mount, but I maxxed out my ixali tribe today, and the Direwolf mount is SOO much rarer on my server than Sleipnir. Easy decision.

for these kids with their mommies credit cards cash shop is cool to them, There are many hard core pay to play gamer such as myself that do not want to see our game go to a cash shop, Here is why I quit the game I played for 5 years.
They added 100's of housing items some that lasted 30 days and others that are permanent that cost more.
mounts, pets.
buffs, loot rate % buffs.
permanent mounts, Mounts that last 30 days.
Wings, halos, vanity items etc...
100's of items became available via cash shop and it became stupid and so many like me looked for games that do not do this aka pay to play mmorpg's

<items I am ok with in cs>
fantasia/ server/ name change

the people saying "its fine because its just vanity" are pure stupid.
this game is highly influenced by vanity...a majority of my friends who dont raid are into vanity and this game has loads of vanity, housing is vanity. cool clothes and gear are vanity, different mount skins are vanity.
vanity has a high place in not just this game but ALOT of games, MMOs especially...and when you lock vanity behind a paywall then you basically lock a huge part of a game for alot of people behind that very paywall.
there is no way to justify a pay to play game having a cash shop, no way at all.
you can try but you will fail.
"just vanity " is a terrible reason.
improving the overall quality of the game is a terrible reason (because if they cant improve the game with 15$/m + 1million+ subs then wtf are they doing?)
please, stop acting like everything yoshi or SE does is a gift from garuda, our lord and saviour..because tbh its not.

So much butthurt in a single place...can't say i didn't expect it but wow, this surpasses all of it.

I want: Yukata, Onion Doublet Set and new hairstyles that are applicable across all gender and races, and looks cool.

The mount is the same price as some of the other Game cash shop out there, Tera, Aion, Warcraft, etc. It's a bit high I agree. Should have been like $19.99 make more sense.

As I said in another thread that mount better do a lot more (if you know what I mean) for that price. You have to be crazy to buy that thing for 24.00. Talk about milking customers this is just insane. Hopefully very few players will actually buy any of that garbage and they have to take it down.

beautifully said

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Originally Posted by LeeraSorlan

the people saying "its fine because its just vanity" are pure stupid.
this game is highly influenced by vanity...a majority of my friends who dont raid are into vanity and this game has loads of vanity, housing is vanity. cool clothes and gear are vanity, different mount skins are vanity.
vanity has a high place in not just this game but ALOT of games, MMOs especially...and when you lock vanity behind a paywall then you basically lock a huge part of a game for alot of people behind that very paywall.
there is no way to justify a pay to play game having a cash shop, no way at all.
you can try but you will fail.
"just vanity " is a terrible reason.
improving the overall quality of the game is a terrible reason (because if they cant improve the game with 15$/m + 1million+ subs then wtf are they doing?)
please, stop acting like everything yoshi or SE does is a gift from garuda, our lord and saviour..because tbh its not.

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Originally Posted by LeeraSorlan

the people saying "its fine because its just vanity" are pure stupid.
this game is highly influenced by vanity...

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You're right - you do Coil for Vanity.
Primal Ex for Vanity.
You also did most content prior to the glamor system being introduced for Vanity.

(Not really.)

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there is no way to justify a pay to play game having a cash shop, no way at all.

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Worked for Blizzard for years, and everyone was saying how WoW is the "standard" and that XIV should be copying it.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

You're right - you do Coil for Vanity.
Primal Ex for Vanity.
You also did most content prior to the glamor system being introduced for Vanity.

(Not really.)

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Way to lose the point. As usual.

Re-read everything that Leera wrote after what you selectively quoted.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

You're right - you do Coil for Vanity.
Primal Ex for Vanity.
You also did most content prior to the glamor system being introduced for Vanity.

(Not really.)

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Yes really.

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Originally Posted by Yshnal

Way to lose the point. As usual.

Re-read everything that Leera wrote after what you selectively quoted.

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I believe that reacting to this troll is just a waste of time. Always uses only the part of truth which is profitable for him/her. Just ignore that person. :))

On topic: Cash shop is overpriced for me. I dont care how much items cost in other games. I paid for digital collectors and I would gladly do it again, because the amount of items for the price seemd OK to me. Maybe one day, when they do some discount day and sell Sleipnir for lower price, I will get it.

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Originally Posted by LeeraSorlan

improving the overall quality of the game is a terrible reason (because if they cant improve the game with 15$/m + 1million+ subs then wtf are they doing?)
please, stop acting like everything yoshi or SE does is a gift from garuda, our lord and saviour..because tbh its not.

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Please provide details on your numbers. I would like to see a source.

Especially since I posted a source not 4 pages ago, detailing mathematically that ffxiv cannot have more than 300k subs atm.

Yoshi-P has already detailed via interview that proceeds from the Cash Shop will be directly going toward upgrading servers for Housing. they cannot afford it otherwise, and based on their investor reports, I can see why.

edit: not in this thread. my bad, posting in multiple "Cash shop makes me butthurt" threads at once.

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Originally Posted by StrejdaTom

I believe that reacting to this troll is just a waste of time. Always uses only the part of truth which is profitable for him/her. Just ignore that person. :))

On topic: Cash shop is overpriced for me. I dont care how much items cost in other games. I paid for digital collectors and I would gladly do it again, because the amount of items for the price seemd OK to me. Maybe one day, when they do some discount day and sell Sleipnir for lower price, I will get it.

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Personally attacking someone while calling them a "troll" seems a bit hypocritical.

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Originally Posted by Yshnal

Re-read everything that Leera wrote after what you selectively quoted.

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I did read it, there was no point made because there already is a paywall - The subscription fee. The only point in that post made was using the assumption you can't obtain any vanity items in-game, yet I just crafted up quite a bit - didn't cost a cent outside of my sub fee.

if you truly read what i said (considering you quoted it) then i am referring to a cash shop in a pay to play game. sure a sub is a paywall...but its a paywall to play the game in its entirety.
when items are taken and put into a cash shop to buy outside of that subscription fee is where the line meets its limits.
its a paywall in a subscription based game, simple as that and it should not be there.
i am sorry if you are perfectly accepting that you need to pay for items in a game that you already pay monthly for but quite alot of us are not so accepting.


as it stands now there is little vanity or items in general in the cash shop but i do not expect it to stay this way.
the basis of any type of thing like this is always to test the waters and gradually add stuff in.
first vanity. then boosters. then gear.
the more this is supported the worse it will become overall.

That's what I mean by the assumption of not obtaining items in-game - Nothing perse was taken out of the game because in all actuality, we still got the same amount of vanity items we always do, heck we even got more when you think about it. Same with the minions, there's a few in the cash shop and there's many more that will be in game as per comm rep stating some that were listed were for patches 2.45 and 2.5, meaning not cash shop exclusive.

They're not locking anything behind a paywall that they already didn't from the get go. They already said the cash shop will stick to strictly vanity items, but didn't say they will be taking content out of game to do so (which seems to be the fear people have that argue against it.) The only time cash shops go "down that path" is when they go Free to Play. The only exception I've seen was Blizzard using a catchup service.

Coil access tokens.
Tomestone acquisition boosters.
All armor is "weathered" until you buy Allagan catalysts from the cash shop to upgrade it.

Please look forward to it.

I'm already canceled two retainers from my subscription, and not that stupid and pay real money for some mounts or minions that we could actually obtained in game.
They have become greedy.

Okay, this thread has now gotten entirely derailed off topic.

This thread is about Cash shop items are too expensive.

if you want to complain about cash shop being in game in general, please direct yourself to http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...hop-confirmed/

There is an abundance of people here who will quite agree, or debate with you.


Now, back on topic.

I hope all mounts available aren't going to be this price. that smore than I paid for the game itself!

I have to say i think they should have avoided Cash Shop, Anytime i see people say "its only vanity" lying to yourself. That's how all cash shops start with vanity then overtime you will see some pay to win aspects. This is just a form of being a greedy they are a pay to play game they shouldn't need cash shop. Giving WoW as a excuse is just bad because its Warcraft that has a huge fanbase so of course it will have many dedicated followers.

Most games that have cash shop either go free to play or close down, Like Tera wasn't doing well went free to play then added cash shop, SWTOR went free to play added cash shop. Cash shops are made for free to play games for them to have some form of income because it's not pay to play. When a pay to play does it will be seen as greed nothing else. You have to remember they invest money to do this service and create these items so instead of using this on content they waste it on cash shop. Personally they should just get rid of it, they just want extra cash that's it not need to sugar coast it and believe what SE says, its just PR talk to make them look good and not be creating for reasons that we think. I mean the guy even said that they wouldn't add cash shop to this game a year later...cash shop... can you honestly believe what he says now? I mean he also says that Final coil won't be down quickly without some new gear and look people already on last turn.

On-topic: I think its too expensive personally. But its their choice and i cant really do much about it, buy if you want dont if dont support it

It's already an established norm (Actually a wee bit cheaper) which is effective everywhere else. That is why.

Bet a quarter of the population already bought it. The 10 people here complaining about how high it is just does not compare to the ones that already have it.

Sales. Please look forward to it.

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Originally Posted by tocsin

Please provide details on your numbers. I would like to see a source.

Especially since I posted a source not 4 pages ago, detailing mathematically that ffxiv cannot have more than 300k subs atm.

Yoshi-P has already detailed via interview that proceeds from the Cash Shop will be directly going toward upgrading servers for Housing. they cannot afford it otherwise, and based on their investor reports, I can see why.

edit: not in this thread. my bad, posting in multiple "Cash shop makes me butthurt" threads at once.

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I am gonna have to agree with you in regards to subscriptions. I have known this for sometime but players still say that the game has 2 mil players and it dosent. I have been unable to find where your link is and would love to take a look at it.

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Originally Posted by maxthunder1

I am gonna have to agree with you in regards to subscriptions. I have known this for sometime but players still say that the game has 2 mil players and it dosent.

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Back in April, 2 Million

Now with China in August. 2 + 1 = 3. Therefore, 3 million.

Least use sources.

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Originally Posted by Asierid

Back in April, 2 Million

Now with China in August. 2 + 1 = 3. Therefore, 3 million.

Least use sources.

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Those are total preorders and orders in the world, not subscriptions.

I could detail all of this here, but its 7:30 am, and im feeling lazy today, so ill direct you to http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ousing-and-gil

also, I wouldn't consider a source from cravegaming.com to be an end all primary source. I'm in college, and that source would not be allowed on a research paper.

Now, give me a SE direct source saying that, and ill concede the point gladly, but they avoid using the word subscriptions at all costs.