Simian Thrash ENHANCED!

Or they can just finally put in the real man's WS, Asuran Fists.

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Originally Posted by Madruk

Or they can just finally put in the real man's WS, Asuran Fists.

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Yea I look forward to Asuran Fists as well - probably going to be a MNK skill though.

I dont get why everyone wants to reuse everything from XI lol.... let Asuran fist stay there

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Originally Posted by Firon

I dont get why everyone wants to reuse everything from XI lol.... let Asuran fist stay there

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Your sig has convinced me to buy FFXIII, just for the sake of experiencing baby chick chocobos and a guy with an afro in a final fantasy game, even if everyone says it's bad.

I'll be the judge of that for myself.

Back on topic: Familiarity does help sometimes, as S.E said when they made FFXIV, they used characters resembling FFXI to give returning players the familiarity of the races they enjoyed, whilst also giving the game different playing mechanics so that it would feel more like a new FF Online game and not a FFXI sequal.

That being said, if they were to put in attacks and skills from FFXI, many people would praise it and be thankfull, and many people would rage that they were just making FFXI-2.

There is no middle ground sadly...

Asuran Fists = Simian Thrash practically.

but anyhoo, I am still in confusion as to why they would choose PUG to be MNK over THF, because the fact remains, there are only a couple abilities that PUG does that ties in with how MNK is. Also, with how the PUG guild is, they more resemble how THFs would play. Plus, most of the abilities (Apart from Second wind and H2H abilities) tie in with how a THF would play, but then again, this is FFXIV, not FFXI-2....at least not yet.

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Originally Posted by Gath

Asuran Fists = Simian Thrash practically.

but anyhoo, I am still in confusion as to why they would choose PUG to be MNK over THF, because the fact remains, there are only a couple abilities that PUG does that ties in with how MNK is. Also, with how the PUG guild is, they more resemble how THFs would play. Plus, most of the abilities (Apart from Second wind and H2H abilities) tie in with how a THF would play, but then again, this is FFXIV, not FFXI-2....at least not yet.

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I think they maybe following the logic that Pugilists don't really use weapons as such, they're hand to hand specialist just like monks, so it'd make more sense that hand-to-hand class > hand-to-hand job. Also since jobs will be able to use the abilities of the class they came from, a thief may look a bit unusual mimicking a Pugilists animations with daggers, unless of course jobs get seperate animations for the same skills as the class they came from.

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

I think they maybe following the logic that Pugilists don't really use weapons as such, they're hand to hand specialist just like monks, so it'd make more sense that hand-to-hand class > hand-to-hand job. Also since jobs will be able to use the abilities of the class they came from, a thief may look a bit unusual mimicking a Pugilists animations with daggers, unless of course jobs get seperate animations for the same skills as the class they came from.

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I know where they're coming from, PUG being MNK doesn't feel right to me, though, I believe if they have the multi class jobs THF would more than likely be ARC and PUG.

EDIT: Also, Eviscerate and Asuran Fists were similar in amount of hits and the flash, just weapons and the motions through them were different. Also, when it comes to logic and SE witht heir games, you might as well say 2 + 2 = Rock.

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Originally Posted by Gath

I know where they're coming from, PUG being MNK doesn't feel right to me, though, I believe if they have the multi class jobs THF would more than likely be ARC and PUG.

EDIT: Also, Eviscerate and Asuran Fists were similar in amount of hits and the flash, just weapons and the motions through them were different. Also, when it comes to logic and SE witht heir games, you might as well say 2 + 2 = Rock.

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I can see the PUG + ARC = THF. Archers tend to be sneaky and stay in the shadows, attacking at good opportunity, Pugilists specialise in close-range fighting with lots of evasion, put them together and you get a Thief in all regards.

Hmm... taking the PUGs evasion-based combat style, I can see a lot of sense now in it becoming a Thief. Monks never really had that evasion mechanic come to think of it, they were just hard-hitting hand-2-handers.

But then what other class could they use to become a Monk?

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

I can see the PUG + ARC = THF. Archers tend to be sneaky and stay in the shadows, attacking at good opportunity, Pugilists specialise in close-range fighting with lots of evasion, put them together and you get a Thief in all regards.

Hmm... taking the PUGs evasion-based combat style, I can see a lot of sense now in it becoming a Thief. Monks never really had that evasion mechanic come to think of it, they were just hard-hitting hand-2-handers.

But then what other class could they use to become a Monk?

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That's why i was referring to the ARC + PUG, because SE would have nothing else to come from it, this is due to lack of competence in the original FFXIV team, had it been Yoshida from the start, we might be in a different position, but then again, thanks to this fail we have somewhat of a team that sorta listens to a community.

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Originally Posted by Gath

That's why i was referring to the ARC + PUG, because SE would have nothing else to come from it, this is due to lack of competence in the original FFXIV team, had it been Yoshida from the start, we might be in a different position, but then again, thanks to this fail we have somewhat of a team that sorta listens to a community.

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And this is indeed a good thing (b'.')b

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

And this is indeed a good thing (b'.')b

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Your sig makes me want to watch the horrible adventures of the Wonder Twins...

OT: Back to ST, it should just have the Evade taken away, not like a PUG will be tanking Batraal or DVS any time soon.

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Originally Posted by danny52844

lalafells doing that plz

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I wanna see footpads block that head just by holding a lala's head and keeping them at arms length so the fists won't hit.

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Originally Posted by Seif

I wanna see footpads block that head just by holding a lala's head and keeping them at arms length so the fists won't hit.

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Out, now.
/10char

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Originally Posted by Gath

Your sig makes me want to watch the horrible adventures of the Wonder Twins...

OT: Back to ST, it should just have the Evade taken away, not like a PUG will be tanking Batraal or DVS any time soon.

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That being the case wouldn't it then just make sense to remove the evasion mechanic from all the PUG skills that have it?

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Originally Posted by Gath

Your sig makes me want to watch the horrible adventures of the Wonder Twins...

OT: Back to ST, it should just have the Evade taken away, not like a PUG will be tanking Batraal or DVS any time soon.

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Are you kidding me? Pugilists have been tanking both since Darkhold launched. They also can proc after evading an AOE or another mob, and have a skill called taunt which specifically focuses the target on them for 1-2 hits. How much have you played a pugilist?

I'd still be fine with them making Simian Thrash I guess, but evade counters are a big part of how Pugilist is played. I'd rather our evade counters were just even more powerful to compensate.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

Are you kidding me? Pugilists have been tanking both since Darkhold launched. They also can proc after evading an AOE or another mob, and have a skill called taunt which specifically focuses the target on them for 1-2 hits. How much have you played a pugilist?

I'd still be fine with them making Simian Thrash I guess, but evade counters are a big part of how Pugilist is played. I'd rather our evade counters were just even more powerful to compensate.

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Asking Gath how much he's played a class is dangerous.

You have been warned!!! (Too late mind, but can't say I didn't offer warning at 'some' point)

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Originally Posted by Konachibi

Your sig has convinced me to buy FFXIII, just for the sake of experiencing baby chick chocobos and a guy with an afro in a final fantasy game, even if everyone says it's bad.

I'll be the judge of that for myself.

Back on topic: Familiarity does help sometimes, as S.E said when they made FFXIV, they used characters resembling FFXI to give returning players the familiarity of the races they enjoyed, whilst also giving the game different playing mechanics so that it would feel more like a new FF Online game and not a FFXI sequal.

That being said, if they were to put in attacks and skills from FFXI, many people would praise it and be thankfull, and many people would rage that they were just making FFXI-2.

There is no middle ground sadly...

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FF 13 is not a bad game people don't like it cause its not the same game over and over and over. True story ppl like playing the same thing over and over

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Originally Posted by Firon

FF 13 is not a bad game people don't like it cause its not the same game over and over and over. True story ppl like playing the same thing over and over

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Indeed

*played warcraft for 5 years*

But I also like new things and different things. That is why I like FFXIV. If that is the case, I may very well enjoy FFXIII also.

I'll be sure to purchase it on Thursday.

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Originally Posted by Murugan

Are you kidding me? Pugilists have been tanking both since Darkhold launched. They also can proc after evading an AOE or another mob, and have a skill called taunt which specifically focuses the target on them for 1-2 hits. How much have you played a pugilist?

I'd still be fine with them making Simian Thrash I guess, but evade counters are a big part of how Pugilist is played. I'd rather our evade counters were just even more powerful to compensate.

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Well, they may be able to tank but it's not likely they will, because when they do get hit it hurts, it's best with a MRD

Hate to necro this thread but when are we gonna reduce the purple flash on this skill it really hurts my eyes.