An Open-World PvP Zone or Two

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Originally Posted by Revelhan

one of the best ways to do this I think would be like the arenas in the cities in Aion. (not the que arenas but the ones you can just walk into.) They where in each capital city and you could just zone into it and everything in there was open to pvp. it was a small circle with an edge for spectators (that was a non pvp zone), but everything in the "pit" was. it was a great place to get your guild together and have some friendly competition or one on ones.

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Haha since this suggestion didn't fly, I had created this one... effectively the same thing:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...71#post2469671

If people can't agree on a PvP server, zones, or wPvP in general... I think giving us Arena's is a fair compromise!

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Originally Posted by Toodles

If not this, at least give us some outer-world ARENA's where we can enter in & duel our friends or host our own fun, isolated pvp tourneys.

The suggestion of adding a Gurubashi Arena type spot was awesome.

^arguments like "it would make no sense lorewise" are ridiculous... sorry, but we can invent lore that makes sense for Frontlines, we can do it for friendly GC competition inside an arena. Bragging rights people.[/B]

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No. No open world PvP. I personally -hate- pvp in all manners. You have so many other games you could play for pvp, so how about looking in to one of those?

The only "Duel" style PvP I can see added is if they open up the Blood Sands for 1v1 fights. Otherwise, yeah, sorry, lorewise, it doesn't make sense. Unless you're an enormous A hole or a bandit, you shouldn't be running around wanting to kill people.

^we don't kill people even in Frontlines. Sorry but you just invalidated yourself... read up your lore please before making a lore-based argument.

Anyway, I gave up on the idea of having entirely dedicated PVP Servers/Zones & moved on to isolating open-world PVP to designated Arena's.

Plenty of easily devised Lore/RP reasons to enable people to handle personal vendetta's or spar/train in an Arena.

This would have such a baby footprint in certain zones & completely unaffect you who hate PVP so no harm done.

Anyone remember the wilderness in runescape? Not only did it have dangerous beast and npcs but the players could also kill you and you lose your stuff

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Originally Posted by Toodles

^we don't kill people even in Frontlines. Sorry but you just invalidated yourself... read up your lore please before making a lore-based argument.

Anyway, I gave up on the idea of having entirely dedicated PVP Servers/Zones & moved on to isolating open-world PVP to designated Arena's.

Plenty of easily devised Lore/RP reasons to enable people to handle personal vendetta's or spar/train in an Arena.

This would have such a baby footprint in certain zones & completely unaffect you who hate PVP so no harm done.

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And yet we already have that in Wolves' Den. Why would we need more mini-Wolves' Dens unless you're referring to the arena in Ul'dah. I can see that, as many have, because it's, well, a gladiatorial arena. But again, dotting PvE zones with PvP instances just doesn't make sense except for the insecure to try and goad others into getting ganked.

How every duel will go:

Sleep -> Stoneskin self / Heal if took damage -> Attack on you Stone 1 for Heavy -> Sleep and repeat ad nausiem till win.

Also run away and full heal.

Good luck trying to kill a Scholar/White Mage/Summoner solo.

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

And yet we already have that in Wolves' Den. Why would we need more mini-Wolves' Dens unless you're referring to the arena in Ul'dah. I can see that, as many have, because it's, well, a gladiatorial arena. But again, dotting PvE zones with PvP instances just doesn't make sense except for the insecure to try and goad others into getting ganked.

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Read this: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...our-support%21

Wolves Den doesn't work because it's only 4v4 against strangers unless you're a dirty win-trader... the objective is to give us a venue to PVP freely without disrupting the PVE diehards who want nothing to do with it.

It wouldn't be Wolves Den, it would enable us to duel (in more formats than one too) & give us some PVP content in the open-world that wouldn't disrupt the PVE experience for others.

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Originally Posted by WellGramarye

Good luck trying to kill a Scholar/White Mage/Summoner solo.

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Fought plenty of isolated 1v1 encounters in Frontlines, I've killed plenty of healers solo with my MNK.

Additionally, I'd rather have the ability to duel than none at all... even if some matchup's aren't impeccably well-balanced.

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Originally Posted by WellGramarye

How every duel will go:

Sleep -> Stoneskin self / Heal if took damage -> Attack on you Stone 1 for Heavy -> Sleep and repeat ad nausiem till win.

Also run away and full heal.

Good luck trying to kill a Scholar/White Mage/Summoner solo.

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There are more classes than WHM, so how would a duel DRG vs DRG play out?
Also in all duel implementation i have seen so far you can't run too far from the point where the duel started, otherwise it is a forfeit.

Personally I wouldn't mind if they add duels - outside of settlements.
And/Or Arenas in the cities - lorewise justified as training facilities - as long as they are not relevant for the mainstory progression

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Originally Posted by Cuervo78

There are more classes than WHM, so how would a duel DRG vs DRG play out?

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It would be a pole dancing competition... TO. THE. DEATH. <dramatic music>

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Originally Posted by Cuervo78

There are more classes than WHM, so how would a duel DRG vs DRG play out?
Also in all duel implementation i have seen so far you can't run too far from the point where the duel started, otherwise it is a forfeit.

Personally I wouldn't mind if they add duels - outside of settlements.
And/Or Arenas in the cities - lorewise justified as training facilities - as long as they are not relevant for the mainstory progression

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Wouldn't know. They would run at each other, trip over an enemy aoe and fall on their own polearms ;p

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Originally Posted by Jodou

I remember a time when there were no PvP servers, just servers. The concept that PvE had segregated servers was absurd and there was no hiding on such a server from PvP. Filthy casuals ruined it for us PK's. :(

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Aion and NCsoft would like to share a world with you.
Aion is the perfect example of a game which could have been a huge success, and lost tons of players with their PvEvP mixed servers.
A game working perfectly in Korea, was failing in NA because players were doing & exploting stuff neither devs nor other Korean players were doing for easy Abyss Points (perma rifting, glide & radar hacks, etc).

Ok the game had other problems like it's awful RNG (Fenris/Miragent pants anyone?) but if you went to the forums it was thread after thread of ppl asking for a PvE server or leaving the game because they were getting ganked 24/7.

It took a lot of time for NCsoft to realize how to fix that, they made some horrible fixes (rifting debuffs), game went F2P, and they finally made a PvE server and everyone happy.
I guess they learnt from those mistakes and that's why GW2 has PVP in specified areas only and Blade & Soul will have a flag system for open world PVP (you join a faction, you get a dobok, and if you equip it you auto-flag yourself for PVP vs the other factions).

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Originally Posted by Erudain

AION Stuff

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I quit because I found it stupid to have to PVE for your PVP stuff (Abyss fort instances). . .but I heard they added arenas which was cool but I had already moved on. Also lots of people left because of Manastones and that Hot Heart of Magic lol. . .omg and enchanting. . .ugh disgusting. .

No idea....I was an Asmo, we never held any fort lol, so our only way to make AP was Dredgion and real pvp (high ranks and officer) both those things were really fun to do, there was a challenge, you could win you could lose, no one complained about that.
Complains were mostly about twinks, lvs 30-40 alts who had a lv50 main feeding them stuff, rifting 24/7 and killing lv20s guys for 10ap, no challenge in that...lv20 had no chance to win.
And as soon as they saw a lv50 come help, they logged off since the game didn't send you back to your side. They could log in again 2 hours later and keep on killing lowies.