Famitsu FFXIV vol 1 summer 2011

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Originally Posted by Zkieve

Limited crafts to max level is unnecessary and was a big let down in ffxi.There is no reason why i shouldn't be able to level whatever i want on 1 char.is one of the strong points of this game in the first place.I hate alts.
This only gives people a reason to pay for/create mules.
Well played.

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thank you. its a dum idea no point or purpose in this game unless they completely take out repairs. even if so i want to level all my crafts if i want to so SE why don't u let me???

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Originally Posted by AlexNiculaie

Believe it or not, you can still have focus without limiting the highest level one can achieve in support classes. The level you achieve, or number of classes you have shouldn't be the means of doing so, anyways. And if someone can work around this by simply purchasing more characters, how has it worked to help "focus" the game?

As for being able to do everything at 50, that's a rather short sighted statement. The level cap will increase later on, and there certainly will be plenty added for those higher levels. There are, and I am sure, will be new recipes that require multiple Classes, and unless they work to prevent it ahead of time, you are going to end up hitting items in your mastered Class which you won't be able to synth because of a required sub level. It happened in FFXI, so I could easily see it happening again here if they don't pay attention.

Honestly, there isn't a good reason to do it.

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wow great point i know lots of people in ff11 who had mules to level different crafts and now i know why SE wants to do this and thats because they want people to buy more mules.....

Man FF11 people (me too since i played for 6 years) got raped for cash.... i wont support it again.

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Originally Posted by DNO

thank you. its a dum idea not point or purpose in this game unless they completely take out repairs. even if so i want to level all my crafts if i want to so SE why don't u let me???

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Nothing is stopping you from doing it now.

it's low priority stuff for now and not even looked at although it been mentioned so wouldn't worry too much about crafting part for now, once they make another post mentioning it should make a new thread and go full on discussion in there for this stuff.

I just want to get the damn magazine... hope they have it in the store tomorrow.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

it's low priority stuff for now and not even looked at although it been mentioned so wouldn't worry too much about crafting part for now, once they make another post mentioning it should make a new thread and go full on discussion in there for this stuff.

I just want to get the damn magazine... hope they have it in the store tomorrow.

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For once i do want people to rage and complain a lot.
Maybe if they loud enough they wont put this money maker mechanic in.

Every single person I know in FFXI who is a die hard crafter, having multiple characters so as to master all of the crafts which they wished to do, were still very social. Mastering multiple crafts didn't make them antisocial. It's what they preferred to leveling other jobs. They just had to purchase multiple mules to do it.

Also, in XIV, not everyone will wnat to level all crafts, or even do any crafting period. Just like there are those who don't want to do DoL Class, DoM, or DoW. Not everyone is going to want to level every class.

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Originally Posted by Zkieve

For once i do want people to rage and complain a lot.
Maybe if they loud enough they wont put this money maker mechanic in.

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People already rip everyone off that is a DoH currently, so it realistically wouldn't change anything but make it so you can't fully cap off every single crafting class. Logically they won't recess your progression when they raise the caps because you've already hit the cap and it would be silly to say you can't do everything now with rank 50 DoH classes. Though when you get down to it, the focus of an MMORPG has been and always will be the battle aspect, no MMO has yet to strike a perfect balance between support and offense system, not even TERA did with it's political system.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

People already rip everyone off that is a DoH currently, so it realistically wouldn't change anything but make it so you can't fully cap off every single crafting class. Logically they won't recess your progression when they raise the caps because you've already hit the cap and it would be silly to say you can't do everything now with rank 50 DoH classes. Though when you get down to it, the focus of an MMORPG has been and always will be the battle aspect, no MMO has yet to strike a perfect balance between support and offense system, not even TERA did with it's political system.

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Yea leveling sub crafts again and again is so much fun .Is not even about the main craft anymore.
I fail to see how can you support such a thing.
I have no idea what your talking bout tera and what not or balance etc.
was never my point but you never get my point anyways ehehe.

Edit: let me simplify it for ya, since you get carried away every time speaking about unrelated stuff.

1. it makes you pay for alts.
2. it makes you play alts.
3. you have to re-level all subcrafts + the part of the main craft you already leveled in your main as a sub for a different craft.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Nothing is stopping you from doing it now.

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again not even... nvm... i was of course talking about if they do it in the future.

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Originally Posted by Zkieve

Yea leveling sub crafts again and again is so much fun .Is not even about the main craft anymore.
I fail to see how can you support such a thing.
I have no idea what your talking bout tera and what not or balance etc.
was never my point but you never get my point anyways ehehe.

Edit: let me simplify it for ya, since you get carried away every time speaking about unrelated stuff.

1. it makes you pay for alts.
2. it makes you play alts.
3. you have to re-level all subcrafts + the part of the main craft you already leveled in your main as a sub for a different craft.

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Perfectly said my man!

Thanks Rein as always! When you'll buty it, I would like to know if there are many art inside. :) (i have it already in Play-Asia cart, ready to be shipped in case lol)

Some nice info there though.

So jump is still planned to be put into the game then?

Interesting news, thanks.

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Originally Posted by Rimmer

So jump is still planned to be put into the game then?

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Ya that's 100% sure since Rep's already said this also

Mastery limitation is one thing I did not want to be carried over from XI, but I can deal with it.

I'm glad to hear about the unreleased classes and the map redesign.

uggg they are managing to ruin this game again with all the restrictions, i don't want to be told i can't level every craft if that is what i want to do. outside this i likes the new info's but seriously man se stop with the restrictions, other mmo's give us free multiple accounts to make ....u give us one, that means that one needs to work like that, be able to do everything on it.

To all the people complaining about the coming changes and planned changes: if it was in the game design vision before Dec 2010, chances are that it's not in there now. Tanaka's game is dead. Get over it. Tanaka's vision was failing to keep players because there was no focus and you could do everything yourself w/o ever talking to another person. This is Yoshida's game now. Changes are coming. Drastic changes. We, the players, asked for them. If you don't like having to interact with people to get things done, your best bet is to quit now because it's only gonna get harder for the antisocial "I wanna do everything on my own and shouldn't need to seek help if I don't want it" crowd.

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Originally Posted by mysterytaru

To all the people complaining about the coming changes and planned changes: if it was in the game design vision before Dec 2010, chances are that it's not in there now. Tanaka's game is dead. Get over it. Tanaka's vision was failing to keep players because there was no focus and you could do everything yourself w/o ever talking to another person. This is Yoshida's game now. Changes are coming. Drastic changes. We, the players, asked for them. If you don't like having to interact with people to get things done, your best bet is to quit now because it's only gonna get harder for the antisocial "I wanna do everything on my own and shouldn't need to seek help if I don't want it" crowd.

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Yea encourage a company to make real money sinks.
Thats the spirit of a true fan !.

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Originally Posted by Zkieve

Yea encourage a company to make real money sinks.
Thats the spirit of a true fan !.

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I didn't realize you were being forced to pay.

Would be nice if some of the unique actions they mentioned for the class is where its 0 cost for the actual class but other classes has to spend more if they really want to use it, or something like that. I was thinking the Job system was going to make it more job specific action/abilities/traits/spells so can't use on other job/class was class was more open.

I guess have to wait on that part to find out; Like I know some mad about he curega being CON (that right?) specific imo once they add jobs WHM for example move curega to WHM and it makes more sense why Curega is only WHM (Job) specific instead of CON (Class).

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Originally Posted by mysterytaru

I didn't realize you were being forced to pay.

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If you want to level more than 1 crafter class , not only you have to pay , but you also have to redo all the sub crafts.
"then dont do it".Well i want to do it but im not willing to pay for it.
Been there , done that in 11 before.Is one thing i was hoping i didnt have to deal with here.

Complaining for the sake of complaining is bad.
But defending SE for the sake of defending SE is just as bad.
Bad mechanics should be complained about.

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Originally Posted by mysterytaru

To all the people complaining about the coming changes and planned changes: if it was in the game design vision before Dec 2010, chances are that it's not in there now. Tanaka's game is dead. Get over it. Tanaka's vision was failing to keep players because there was no focus and you could do everything yourself w/o ever talking to another person. This is Yoshida's game now. Changes are coming. Drastic changes. We, the players, asked for them. If you don't like having to interact with people to get things done, your best bet is to quit now because it's only gonna get harder for the antisocial "I wanna do everything on my own and shouldn't need to seek help if I don't want it" crowd.

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no offense mister rank 30lnc but if i want to hit max lv on one class, then instead of thinking i beat the game do it again on another craft that should be my choice, has nothing to do with antisocialism. has to do with wanting to always be progressing in game. being able to do a little more then others is a nice reward for it, and on top of that people who can throw money at it can still level more classes then one so that makes it a bad system, i can buy 2 account with extra 3bucks then it ok to level 2crafts? that is a wrong type of system to have.

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Originally Posted by Zkieve

Yea leveling sub crafts again and again is so much fun .Is not even about the main craft anymore.
I fail to see how can you support such a thing.
I have no idea what your talking bout tera and what not or balance etc.
was never my point but you never get my point anyways ehehe.

Edit: let me simplify it for ya, since you get carried away every time speaking about unrelated stuff.

1. it makes you pay for alts.
2. it makes you play alts.
3. you have to re-level all subcrafts + the part of the main craft you already leveled in your main as a sub for a different craft.

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Or you could, I dunno, be social and get some ls connections as a crafter. We already have them being made already. This whole game isn't meant to be beaten all by yourself. Besides, it can only mean more items able to be sold in bazaars.

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Originally Posted by mysterytaru

I didn't realize you were being forced to pay.

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You could not force people to play because the game sucks. HOWEVER if you take away one of the ONLY features that people liked in the game that is almost exclusive to Final fantasy MMos and its only good feature over the millions of other MMOS then you have a dead game.

Just look around people do not like this so im sure as SE tries to "make good" with its fanbase this feature will not happen.

To those talking about master crafters and such, only 1 craft can be mastered

chances are....they will add some sort of "specialization" or something around those lines that give you huge penalties if you dont have it, and youll be limited to get just the 1, but youll be able to craft to max level in every craft

so lets take an example of this

Blacksmithing may have a "weaponsmaster" trait that you can get, but if you get it, you can never get any other of these "master" traits from any other class.
And it may be a requirement to make items for the higher rank items. And while sure you can still rank up to top rank, you sure as hell cant make everything without the specialization(you may be stuck to parts only later without it)

i see them more going something along those lines as far as only mastering 1 craft late game, and i dont see them restricting the ability to level the actual classes

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Or you could, I dunno, be social and get some ls connections as a crafter. We already have them being made already. This whole game isn't meant to be beaten all by yourself. Besides, it can only mean more items able to be sold in bazaars.

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What does being social have to do anything to do with this?
Im not gonna level because my level 50 friends can beat the dungeon for me .
Is that what your saying?

You can be social and have a sense of self achievement as well.if i want to have 2 crafts leveled at max i should be able to w-o having to pay extra for it.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

To those talking about master crafters and such, only 1 craft can be mastered

chances are....they will add some sort of "specialization" or something around those lines that give you huge penalties if you dont have it, and youll be limited to get just the 1, but youll be able to craft to max level in every craft

so lets take an example of this

Blacksmithing may have a "weaponsmaster" trait that you can get, but if you get it, you can never get any other of these "master" traits from any other class.
And it may be a requirement to make items for the higher rank items. And while sure you can still rank up to top rank, you sure as hell cant make everything without the specialization(you may be stuck to parts only later without it)

i see them more going something along those lines as far as only mastering 1 craft late game, and i dont see them restricting the ability to level the actual classes

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I dont see such a complex system ever happening.This is just going to be ffxi type of restriction.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Or you could, I dunno, be social and get some ls connections as a crafter. We already have them being made already. This whole game isn't meant to be beaten all by yourself. Besides, it can only mean more items able to be sold in bazaars.

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i wish people would grow up and realize EVERYONE LEFT IN THIS GAME IS SOCIAL. i have a LS i have rank 50s. I WANT to level crafts so i can be MORE social. i can make money by fixing lots of peoples gears and make friends that way. (in fact thats what people do)

JUST because i can have more then one craft on rank 50 DOES NOT mean i dont need to be social WHY IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?

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Originally Posted by DNO

i wish people would grow up and realize EVERYONE LEFT IN THIS GAME IS SOCIAL. i have a LS i have rank 50s. I WANT to level crafts so i can be MORE social. i can make money by fixing lots of peoples gears and make friends that way. (in fact thats what people do)

JUST because i can have more then one craft on rank 50 DOES NOT mean i dont need to be social WHY IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?

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fact is the more tools you have at your disposal the better you can help others = way more active social life in game .
This is true.

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Originally Posted by Zkieve

fact is the more tools you have at your disposal the better you can help others = way more active social in game life.
This is true.

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thank you.. i have this friend.. he has 5 rank 50 jobs.... i love him. cause he can fix everything... i made friends with him cause of that one reason. now he knows my friends and i know his. ====== SOCIAL!!!!

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Originally Posted by mysterytaru

I stopped taking you seriously after the first line. You're another douche who thinks rank is everything and people who aren't capped aren't allowed to have opinions or opinions that matter.

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while mab he was a little rude his point still stands. YOU want people to pay more to play more. i already paid for the Collections ED. i will soon be paying monthly and you WANT SE to make people who like to craft pay more for more then one job? WHY? How does this even make sense as a customer?

What if SE said "ok you can level only 1 DoW the rest you need a mule for at an extra 3 bucks a month".. sounds really stupid doesnt it? this is what you are saying.

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Originally Posted by mysterytaru

I stopped taking you seriously after the first line. You're another douche who thinks rank is everything and people who aren't capped aren't allowed to have opinions or opinions that matter.

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my point was simple u gonna lv one class and u want every other crafter to come running to u for mats rather then being able to level a second class in the same time, other games people lv 2 toons for free to do both. your level has to do with how much time u put in and how much u obviously want from the game. your opinions are fine, but u ended your post with everyone that don't think like you should leave this game cause obviously your the sucker that Se an other mmo makers want money from and are creating there games for now. (hey being a douchbag) enjoy u'r opinion, i'll enjoy mine, when se makes there choices then they will see if they were good ones or not. till then i can complain or say my point of view with you.

/sigh this thread got taken over orz.. go start a new thread to talk about that stuff

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Originally Posted by DNO

while mab he was a little rude his point still stands. YOU want people to pay more to play more. i already paid for the Collections ED. i will soon be paying monthly and you WANT SE to make people who like to craft pay more for more then one job? WHY? How does this even make sense as a customer?

What if SE said "ok you can level only 1 DoW the rest you need a mule for at an extra 3 bucks a month".. sounds really stupid doesnt it? this is what you are saying.

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I doubt they are going to restrict you from levelling every craft to max, they'll find another way of impleting mastery either as a trait,talent or skill bought with guild marks that you can only have one of, although it sounds alot like the mastered craft will be able to do something the others wont e.g. make specific high end gears.

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Originally Posted by DNO

while mab he was a little rude his point still stands. YOU want people to pay more to play more. i already paid for the Collections ED. i will soon be paying monthly and you WANT SE to make people who like to craft pay more for more then one job? WHY? How does this even make sense as a customer?

What if SE said "ok you can level only 1 DoW the rest you need a mule for at an extra 3 bucks a month".. sounds really stupid doesnt it? this is what you are saying.

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Well as a customer you have a choice to either pay SE or not pay SE and take your money elsewhere. It's really not the complicated.

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Originally Posted by weeble

my point was simple u gonna lv one class and u want every other crafter to come running to u for mats rather then being able to level a second class in the same time, other games people lv 2 toons for free to do both. your level has to do with how much time u put in and how much u obviously want from the game. your opinions are fine, but u ended your post with everyone that don't think like you should leave this game cause obviously your the sucker that Se an other mmo makers want money from and are creating there games for now. (hey being a douchbag) enjoy u'r opinion, i'll enjoy mine, when se makes there choices then they will see if they were good ones or not. till then i can complain or say my point of view with you.

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Back ontopic, with apologies to Rein and Evangelus. I, for one, welcome the changes and am looking forward to the new maps, classes and ability systems. I'm just wondering if by Rank restrictions on abilities if they mean you can only equip abilities equal to, or less than, half your current classes rank. We shall see...

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Originally Posted by mysterytaru

Based on your sig and attitude, you'll never be happy with anything SE does to this game anyway so why do you still play? So you have something to complain about?

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Since you don't no me or my "attitude" you can stop right there. You in fact have no clue if i like the current game or not so please shut up.

If you do not want to debate my points then do not respond. You of course like everyone esle without a good debate fall to attacking someone who does not agree with them. reread your post and see if that had anything to do with the points i tried to make

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

Well as a customer you have a choice to either pay SE or not pay SE and take your money elsewhere. It's really not the complicated.

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And as a customer i also have a choice to make myself heard when i say this is a bad mechanic.
Everything else looks good tough.ty rein.

Yay good info!

So jobs do learn their own skills, Thief is in the works, Arcanist and Musketeer will be coming out soonish (maybe by the end of the year?), materia seem to be good, and sneak skill for gatherers....

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

Well as a customer you have a choice to either pay SE or not pay SE and take your money elsewhere. It's really not the complicated.

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that's like not being able to crap on corrupt politics, gotta keep bitching bout it or nothing changes, just cause your in your video game fishbowl happy and content don't mean everyone else needs to sit around and take it. they have right to complain just the same. change is the way ain't it, so sit back enjoy the game ...it will change eventually and i'm sure he will be the one sitting on his ass laughing blindly.

Who is mysterytaru? dun dun dunnnnnnnn

He's one BAMF!