[PETITION] Primal Mount Acquisition Adjustment

Since we are talking about Primal Mounts... This guy makes me cry all day everyday..
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/2798651/

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Originally Posted by GurrenLagann

Since we are talking about Primal Mounts... This guy makes me cry all day everyday..
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/2798651/

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Wow! Does anyone know this person? Just 'cos Yoshi-P said that "something happens" when you get them all.

EDIT: Had a look at his achievements, how the hell did he manage to do 200 high level PLD instances in one day O_O

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Originally Posted by TeganLaron

Wow! Does anyone know this person? Just 'cos Yoshi-P said that "something happens" when you get them all.

EDIT: Had a look at his achievements, how the hell did he manage to do 200 high level PLD instances in one day O_O

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HARDCORE T4 grind maybe?

What's interesting as well is that he has no tank relic...

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Originally Posted by GurrenLagann

HARDCORE T4 grind maybe?

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That's what I was thinking, but is that still even possible? I'm not good at Maths but 200 in one day doesn't seem feasible.

EDIT: Reached daily limit so replying here. Apparently I only get seven or eight posts a day...

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Originally Posted by GurrenLagann

I edited my post and I'll say this one extra detail, he has no tank relic.

How this guy got all 5 Primal Mounts AND the two tank mounts is beyond me. (also makes me want to cry)

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Could be EX Primal or Turn 5 weapon I guess. But can't help being a bit suspicious. Every horse mount, as well as doing 200 PLD and WAR instances in the space of 1 and 2 days respectively. Seems a little fishy to me.

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Originally Posted by TeganLaron

That's what I was thinking, but is that still even possible? I'm not good at Maths but 200 in one day doesn't seem feasible.

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I edited my post and I'll say this one extra detail, he has no tank relic.

How this guy got all 5 Primal Mounts AND the two tank mounts is beyond me. (also makes me want to cry)

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

I don't really care. And I don't whine about it on the forums. In fact I think SE should take a stand against the spoiled brats who whine about low drop rates instead of encouraging them to ruin the game for everyone else.

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It's clear you missed the entire point of what I said. That is the part that is insane. You want zero discussion on anything in the game, with SE having full rights to do whatever they want. I see you enjoyed 1.0, I hate to break to you but that is in the past. In this FFXIV, the players concerns/suggestions actually matter.

So you didn't "turn around" anything. You just failed to understand what I said.

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Originally Posted by NinjaTaru72

I still laugh at the people who complain about drop rates, and that they are soooo low. And whatever.

1/1497966
1/2330169

See those numbers?

That's the drop chance of just 2 of the rare weapons in a game I used to play, phantasy star online. Those are 2 of the ones I pulled up quick. There are multiple 1/x(million) and 1/x(hundred thousands)

And to top it off some of those drop rates are after getting a rare form of a mob to spawn while running a map. So like 1/5000 chance of rare mob spawn, then 1/500000 chance for special weapon to drop. I laugh because these drop rates from ffxiv are nothing to what I've grown up on. You children complain way too much. And you even have it easy XD

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Yes, yes, the lotto is hard to win as well.

/eyeroll

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Originally Posted by Barboron

And there are several mounts with an alternative to RNG, are they fun? NO! CNJ gets a mount from class quests. PLD and WAR get mounts from grinding 200 instances and that is definitely not fun, that I can guarantee from experience

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So if isn't fun, why do you support the MMO grind? Because doing an instance 200 times is EXACTLY a MMO grind.

I think you are confused about what you even want.

Let me help you out. Mounts shouldn't be based on RNG. The end. Make it 100 kills or something like that. You want the grind, then support the actual grind.

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Originally Posted by NinjaTaru72

I still laugh at the people who complain about drop rates, and that they are soooo low. And whatever.

1/1497966
1/2330169

See those numbers?

That's the drop chance of just 2 of the rare weapons in a game I used to play, phantasy star online. Those are 2 of the ones I pulled up quick. There are multiple 1/x(million) and 1/x(hundred thousands)

And to top it off some of those drop rates are after getting a rare form of a mob to spawn while running a map. So like 1/5000 chance of rare mob spawn, then 1/500000 chance for special weapon to drop. I laugh because these drop rates from ffxiv are nothing to what I've grown up on. You children complain way too much. And you even have it easy XD

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I'm not sure if you've grasped the understanding of the argument here. We're not comparing other games here, and we're not solely complaining about the drop rate itself. Had you perhaps read the arguments in favour of the petition, you'd know that. It's about comparing other acquisition methods in the game to one another and applying them to this particular instance. It is also not about the drop rate, but rather the drop rate mixed in with having to fight with seven others for that particular mount. And in the instance you lose, you finally see another one with a new party of seven and lose again in an endless struggle to never obtain the mount unless everyone passes, obtains it themselves, or you are the lucky one in the bunch. It's about rewarding those with dedication rather than those who aren't even interested in it but roll for the heck of it. Nowhere stated is it that we wish for it to be 'easier' to obtain, but rather more logical to obtain. A proposition for the mount was ~500 wins or so in that particular primal (or 200, doesn't matter), which is no easy task given it's difficult to even find that many people willing to run that many times. As I've stated previously...there is no real argument against this proposition. The only 'arguments' are comparing this game to other games, which is irrelevant - and by calling anyone for this petition spoiled "children" asking for hand-outs; which is nullified by the counter-argument for making it just as difficult but less reliant on others.

I'm just not sure why people are resorting to name calling, personal profiling, or flat-out getting aggressive when this is just a discussion for a game. There is no reason for any of that here.

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Originally Posted by TeganLaron

Completely agree with you. The people against this just keep resorting to childish insults as they are lacking in actual reasons for this not to be implemented.

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People only resort to insults when they have no valid points to make.

Why didn't they just make the mount a secondary chest similar to the Crystal Tower blade thingamagoo?

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Originally Posted by NinjaTaru72

Makithings rare is a way of making thinks awesome. And a lot more people than you think want there special mount to stay special.

Like I said, things need to stop being handed out like candy. Otherwise everyone gets it and then people don't get to have/enjoy the feeling of "hey, I got that. Not many people have it" That's a nice feeling for me.

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Originally Posted by NinjaTaru72

I do play the lottery on occasion not 106 times a year, but that's fine. Just like I play against rng. But unlike op and a large group of others, I don't cry and post to the forums about it when I lose. Lol. I just try again.

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You are either crazy, or very very stupid. Either way, you've repeatedly shown you have no grasp of reality and the concept of empathy completely eludes you. My mind hurts trying to understand the total lack of rationale needed to think like you, and I hope the developers shy away from appeasing your kind. The world definitely does not need any more people like you.

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Originally Posted by ShinkuTachi

If you're on your 1000th try, someone is on their 1st, and the RNG gods happen to be in the newbies favor; that's not a fault with the system, that's simply luck of the draw.

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That is the prime example of a faulty system. Do you honestly not see anything wrong with this? Are you really that dense?

Seriously, the amount of.. whatever this is on this thread is staggering. All I hear is "I have my mount and I dun want anyone else to have one, waaaaaaaaaaaa" and people providing the most ridiculous attempts at an argument I've seen in a very very long time.

Wait a minute... Can't you roll on the mount AGAIN after using it (Assuming you happened to be very very very lucky to see it twice and somehow won lot twice), attempt to roll on it, (if) and win it just to be a dick? Or does the system detects your character having this mount and make you unable to roll on the mount?

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Originally Posted by GurrenLagann

Wait a minute... Can't you roll on the mount AGAIN after using it (Assuming you happened to be very very very lucky to see it twice and somehow won lot twice), attempt to roll on it, (if) and win it just to be a dick? Or does the system detects your character having this mount and make you unable to roll on the mount?

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You can roll on it twice. Tech my monk friend has 2 levi mounts, one he got from our static team, another he got in a random pug where people kept dying. He meant to hit need on another item...

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Originally Posted by Mardel

You can roll on it twice. Tech my monk friend has 2 levi mounts, one he got from our static team, another he got in a random pug where people kept dying. He meant to hit need on another item...

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So I guess there is a flaw in this particular system eh?

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Originally Posted by GurrenLagann

Wait a minute... Can't you roll on the mount AGAIN after using it (Assuming you happened to be very very very lucky to see it twice and somehow won lot twice), attempt to roll on it, (if) and win it just to be a dick? Or does the system detects your character having this mount and make you unable to roll on the mount?

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I am pretty sure you can roll again. There is no system in place that checks the mounts you have. For example, you can purchase more than 1 of the beastmen mounts.

So, add another bullet point to the already staggering amount of reasons this current system is terrible.

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Originally Posted by Kyros

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I like how you jump to personal attacks in my mind/intelligence.

No. Just because someone runs 1000 times and someone runs 10 and that person wins the Mount, doesnt mean the system is flawed. It means it's working properly, giving everyone who participated in the event (dead, alive amazing or otherwise) an equal chance to win. And everyone is crying because "well I've ran it more times that that person, so I should get it before them, and since I'm not they should change it so I don't have to compete to get it because I think I'm more deserving." is what it's basically coming down to.

The only thing that should be changed is being able to roll on it after you obtain it. Leave the rest alone



Keep it the way it is. It gives everyone a chance. There's. No need at adding more ways to obtain it(aka doing a run 50 times) just because a few people cry about newer people beating them to an item.

Life isn't fair, people win and people lose, and no, you don't get a little star sticker just for trying. Suck it up and try again. It's Not hard.

And, as much as I shouldn't reply to the personal attack and the "world doesn't need more of me" thing.
I think it does. More people who aren't baybed and handed it a silver platter. More people who can suck it up a bit. As I personally think it's those people who are bringing /going to bring ruin to many things.

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Originally Posted by Kyros

That is the prime example of a faulty system. Do you honestly not see anything wrong with this? Are you really that dense?

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Do you not understand how probability works? If you did, then you would understand the system is not flawed. I understand that people may not like the system, which is understandable; but, people not liking the system doesn't make it flawed by default.

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Originally Posted by Kyros

Seriously, the amount of.. whatever this is on this thread is staggering. All I hear is "I have my mount and I dun want anyone else to have one, waaaaaaaaaaaa" and people providing the most ridiculous attempts at an argument I've seen in a very very long time.

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Being in disagreement is not equal to, "I have my primal mount and I don't want you to have yours." I don't have one. If you would have taken 30 seconds to check my lodestone, which I have kindly linked here, you would realize that.

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Originally Posted by ShinkuTachi

Do you not understand how probability works? If you did, then you would understand the system is not flawed. I understand that people may not like they system, which is understandable; but people not liking the system doesn't make it flawed by default.



Being in disagreement is not equal to, "I have my primal mount and I don't want you to have yours." I don't have one. If you would have taken 30 seconds to check my lodestone, which I have kindly linked here, you would realize that.

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Lol. I don't have my mounts ether and I think the system is fine. But people seem to love thinking that anyone who doesn't agree with them already has the mount

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Originally Posted by NinjaTaru72

I like how you jump to personal attacks in my mind/intelligence.

No. Just because someone runs 1000 times and someone runs 10 and that person wins the Mount, doesnt mean the system is flawed. It means it's working properly, giving everyone who participated in the event (dead, alive amazing or otherwise) an equal chance to win. And everyone is crying because "well I've ran it more times that that person, so I should get it before them, and since I'm not they should change it so I don't have to compete to get it because I think I'm more deserving." is what it's basically coming down to.

The only thing that should be changed is being able to roll on it after you obtain it. Leave the rest alone



Keep it the way it is. It gives everyone a chance. There's. No need at adding more ways to obtain it(aka doing a run 50 times) just because a few people cry about newer people beating them to an item.

Life isn't fair, people win and people lose, and no, you don't get a little star sticker just for trying. Suck it up and try again. It's Not hard.

And, as much as I shouldn't reply to the personal attack and the "world doesn't need more of me" thing.
I think it does. More people who aren't baybed and handed it a silver platter. More people who can suck it up a bit. As I personally think it's those people who are bringing /going to bring ruin to many things.

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Not unless you are a dick (or have a dick player) who already has the mount and reroll again and attempt to win the mount (Again) just to piss off the other 7 (or less; some people may not care about the mount) who actually wanted the mount and doesn't own one. This is the only thing I find flawed in the system. Yeah sure, you can report him/her and let the GM reroll his account but what then? One of the 7 people would've gotten it and left them a great day. Yeah sure, he got his justice but they are still going to be pissed off after running it over x number of times; only for the mount to be obtained by no one.