Why do the Egis appearance look awful and unimpressive

I don't think the egis look terrible, though after reading more comments I think they could definitely use some more detail.

I mean, as a SCH, even my fairies have faces and whole moving bodies and overall seem more detailed than any of the egis.

What I don't understand is how carnbucle can look like the carnbucle we always knew and doesn't float around. And then these later egis look like floating...digimons or inflatable balloons.

Why couldn't we get an Ifrit who ran around or a Titan who jumped (creating craters on the GROUND as he jumped following you!) or Garuda distoring the air around you as she flew with you with real wings. Garuda really is the worst egi lol...

I sincerely hope they understand and see why these Summoner/Egi related threads keep coming up a lot and how they should attempt to put a bit more effort into this class.

Be glad you have a SMN class in game at all.

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

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I leveled SMN all the way to 50. It's actually pretty fun to play, just couldn't get into it a whole lot, the Egi models being my biggest reason. There are other things that I think should be looked at though, for sure.

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Originally Posted by Kamifubuki-Yoakesetsuri

Be glad you have a SMN class in game at all.

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Come on, really? Of course people are glad to have it, otherwise there wouldn't be people playing it at all. There are just some pretty common issues that people keep bringing up, and I think at least some of them are justifiable. If you're happy with it then that's your right, some aren't, but I think most people have more of an issue with the looks of their Egis.

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Originally Posted by Deifact

Just wanting to pipe in and quietly mention lore isn't a good justification for anything... The lore in this game is a total mess with contradictions aplenty...

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Just wanted to back you up on that;

Lore tells us;
Primals= Bad for Life and ppl in general. We kill Primals...cause ya know; BAD for Life and Everything. *here comes the /sigh lore twist*
FC Summoning= Good thing, is eco friendly, and doesnt kill the planet, even though that's the number 1 reason we as players kill Primals. And as a FC with only BAD reputation for the Primal, we get to summon and Control it, even though their original beast tribes can't.
So yeah, contradictions.
Gotta love dat lore. Makes sense >.<

Page 9 omg why do you guys always fall for OP??

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Originally Posted by TeaTimeBear

Page 9 omg why do you guys always fall for OP??

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Probably because there are people who agree at least somewhat, so the discussion continues on. :)

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Probably because there are people who agree at least somewhat, so the discussion continues on. :)

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And that's fine OP is trolling however and trying to get a rise, they always post topics that will insight a flaming and arguing and I mean always.

I don't need them rescaled, I just need them looking better overall.

I know lore-wise they're supposed to be almost crystalline-like, Aether formed embodiments of their avatars... but geez are they ugly.

More details, most of all more fierce & intense looking.

Not some chicken & marshmallow man.

Real summoning

http://i.imgur.com/OZQjVxx.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ApURmMF.jpg

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Originally Posted by TeaTimeBear

And that's fine OP is trolling however and trying to get a rise, they always post topics that will insight a flaming and arguing and I mean always.

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From what I see they were mocking the Egi models, not trolling. Either way people have taken the discussion up. :P

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

Real summoning

http://i.imgur.com/OZQjVxx.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ApURmMF.jpg

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Also, this is what I think most people would like to see, at least the 2nd image. Some do want a Puppeteer class, though.

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Originally Posted by abesut

Just wanted to back you up on that;

Lore tells us;
Primals= Bad for Life and ppl in general. We kill Primals...cause ya know; BAD for Life and Everything. *here comes the /sigh lore twist*
FC Summoning= Good thing, is eco friendly, and doesnt kill the planet, even though that's the number 1 reason we as players kill Primals. And as a FC with only BAD reputation for the Primal, we get to summon and Control it, even though their original beast tribes can't.
So yeah, contradictions.
Gotta love dat lore. Makes sense >.<

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wait how is the lore messed up by a thing that hasn't been added to the lore, or even the game, at all yet? It was only announced as a mechanic they want to add some time in the future, and to be fair, was announced before ARR's launch and never really mentioned since.

SE should just meet us half way. Summon minions. As long as I can have a good looking summon after me, it doesn't have to actually do any fighting. It is the art I like, and the game play does not matter.

And these should come from various Summoner side quests so nobody has to pay 25 million for a minion. (Because that is how popular good summon pets would be)

Well the OP is right. I never really personally played summoner but what was the point of them half-arsing the avatars? They focused everything else to be detailed. Hell even he minions look more detailed.

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Originally Posted by Pandastirfry

wait how is the lore messed up by a thing that hasn't been added to the lore, or even the game, at all yet? It was only announced as a mechanic they want to add some time in the future, and to be fair, was announced before ARR's launch and never really mentioned since.

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Say all you want. Primals will Always be selfish and bad, because that's their nature. No matter what they say to make it O.K to summon primals through FC, it would still go against lore, since Primals are BAD, in any way. We get through the whole current Storyline in which Primals are presented as selfish and merciless monsters with their own agenda, no matter how they put it in the future to make primal summoning O.K, it would still go against EVERYTHING we have been through in the storyline. It would be like saying Sin from FFX suddenly became good, cause ya know..I changed the lore that all of sudden. Wouldn't make sense.
But please, I would love to hear of a way to summon THE primal, and not have it go against all of current lore. And have it fit, so the FC; Yellowpink fluffy bunnies can summon them like some retainer when they feel like it.

cheers!

EDIT: the Point of my post is to Point out the contradictions in this game, and the fact that you can't use LORE as an argument for anything in this game, anymore. Cause SE will change it regardless of the lore, and that it why they CAN change whatever they feel like changing; like making egis more impressive.

Not to mention that according to the current Lore there are no more Jobs in the world. But SE is of course going to make additions to the Lore, which will give us more Jobs.

Same with summons really. They just need to add "You can get a egi plus version because you are such a great player".

What's amazing is how easy all of this would be. All they need to do is shrink the primals to an acceptable size and add some extra glow. It's not like they would have to spend months upon months to redesign egis. Instead just shrink the primals and give the people who like egis the option to keep the egi look.

Make it a glamour thing if you don't want to mess with "lore"

Actually it is a cultural thing. You can't tell a Japanese person "You did wrong", because it is not polite and it is terribly shameful to be wrong.

Instead we need to convince them that we want options and alternatives. Pet glamour, Pet minions, Pet upgrade possibilities.

Chicken Nuggets.... that made me lol.

But seriously... FF is known for summons and graphics.... not sure why WoW summons look cooler than the "chicken nuggets" in this game.... the summons here look like the OLD EQ summons... BEFORE they updated their graphics.

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

Real summoning

http://i.imgur.com/OZQjVxx.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ApURmMF.jpg

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Word^^

If you do not like cluttered screens in a Massively Multi-Player Online game, I don't know what to tell you. It is not that serious imo. SE was lazy with those primals and trying to use the "lore" as an excuse for their uncreative design. No-one is asking for Godzilla meets mothra; humanoid size would do imo or any of the above sizes. What is their excuse for the lack of primal facial features? The ps2 managed to implement this, just saying. I have done plenty events with smns; Titan's size was the least of our worries.....actually, ppl used to comment on galka's size XD. Even if titan was out for a decent amount of time; he was usually out of the dd range; perhaps that was a AI feature or something.

Maybe they will change their looks in the future.

Like when you get higher ilevel and game progresses they upgrade them and give them new skins.

You never know.

I like how the Summons look. Spur should make them grow maybe 50% bigger for the duration, and the Summoner LB should involve your egi growing nearly full sized before doing some iconic looking copy of Meteor. Appearance wise that's about all they need.

There are some other tweaks that would be nice, but that's a different thread.

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Originally Posted by Swagcity

If you do not like cluttered screens in a Massively Multi-Player Online game, I don't know what to tell you.

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In another game i'd occasionally do dungeon runs with teams of eight pet class players. Which translated to each player bossing around six pets, the final pet being a boss type who was frequently a good two and a half meters or so tall. That's 56 critters (not counting temporary summons that some sets had) running all over the place just on the players' side and it still worked. Somehow i don't see one player character sized pet as being that much harder to accommodate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QAZFey6m24 Miniature versions of these will be better when viewed in directx11.

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Originally Posted by Diavolo

What I got from it was they needed crystals/followers/sacrifices. And if what you say is the case, then it just justifies it. You're summoning the essence of a primal without crystals/etc to make it stronger...so...

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They also require a massive amount of Aether, which is bad. If they consume too much Aether, then Hydaelyn will die (this is why the Ascians taught the Beastmen how to summon their Primal)... or Eorzea will "disappear," either one.

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Originally Posted by abesut

EDIT: the Point of my post is to Point out the contradictions in this game, and the fact that you can't use LORE as an argument for anything in this game, anymore. Cause SE will change it regardless of the lore, and that it why they CAN change whatever they feel like changing; like making egis more impressive.

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well the problem is...your example is using Lore that doesn't exist. because like I said, they mentioned it before release and haven't mentioned it since then ( I think they're actually hoping will forget they said it)...so how about using a Lore Contradiction that actually exists in game

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

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Originally Posted by Ghastly

http://i.imgur.com/ApURmMF.jpg

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Also, this is what I think most people would like to see

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personally I think making the Egi's that big would be a mistake. however I would like them to have a more threatening feel to them like Levi does in that pic
maybe slightly bigger than the current Egi's but not much and most definitely a more threatening stature(I think this is the right word for it...lol)

my only gripe with the EGI's is really that they feel stiff and lifeless and barely look threatening at all.

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Originally Posted by HeroSamson

Maybe they will change their looks in the future.

Like when you get higher ilevel and game progresses they upgrade them and give them new skins.

You never know.

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Oh man look out now the forums will be filled with... "Avatar Fantasias or Riot" for the next 4 months.

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Originally Posted by MeeDeggiThePunisher

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V300FlcyVnc

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I absolutely rolled off my bed laughing at this thanks for that! XD

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Originally Posted by Wildsprite

personally I think making the Egi's that big would be a mistake. however I would like them to have a more threatening feel to them like Levi does in that pic
maybe slightly bigger than the current Egi's but not much and most definitely a more threatening stature(I think this is the right word for it...lol)

my only gripe with the EGI's is really that they feel stiff and lifeless and barely look threatening at all.

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Oh, I agree with ya. I don't think they should be THAT big either (something like that would be like having a behemoth mount in a boss arena), but they need to look as menacing as the primals they represent.