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I think the review was fair. It still remains to be seen what the game will be like in 3 days. They very well may screw this game up even more than it already is. I am hopeful they will be true improvements, but that remains to be seen.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Ahah. MMORPG.com has their collective panties in a bunch about receiving criticism on this ill-advised review, it seems :D

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Ouch , no freedom of speech ?! You didnt say anything harsh.

This alone just more convinces me, that the review was rushed out on purpose before the patch release to provide bad review at the end.

Anyway fact is the game didnt improve much with 1.15, etc. These were more over minor and major fixes with some little addons. In the end UI is still bad with flawed design, imo.

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We feel we’ve waited more than long enough to give FFXIV a fair shake. Check back with us later this year for an update after those changes are live.

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If they re not complete jerks, they will update the review as is told here in the future.

I thought the review was fair, if you take it from the point of view of your average mmo shopper's first impression. Which is exactly what it is. Although it is truly a shame that it couldn't have waited until after September when most the major overhauls should have had time to be implemented.

I expect after the one year marker, we will likely have many revisit reviews.

The way I see it, most the reviewers come into the game with high expectation of greatness, and come away with an impression of a game that still needs a bit more work.
Most the player base invested in this game all agree the game needs a bit more work and have high expectations of greatness for it in the end.

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Originally Posted by Kio

I thought the review was fair.

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You're right in using the past tense. It WAS fair a couple months after release. It's already fairly inaccurate now, and it will be downright irrelevant in four days. Probably absolutely misleading in a couple months.

Considering that a journalist (in any field) has the duty to do all he can not to mislead his readers, this review is a trainwreck if i ever saw one.

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Originally Posted by Synthesis

Ouch , no freedom of speech ?! You didnt say anything harsh.

This alone just more convinces me, that the review was rushed out on purpose before the patch release to provide bad review at the end.

Anyway fact is the game didnt improve much with 1.15, etc. These were more over minor and major fixes with some little addons. In the end UI is still bad with flawed design, imo.

mmorpgs:
If they re not complete jerks, they will update the review as is told here in the future.

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What I have been saying was more worthy of a ban then what Abriael said they have no integrity to me now

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Originally Posted by Delsus

What I have been saying was more worthy of a ban then what Abriael said they have no integrity to me now

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Simply said, my arguments were too compelling and solid for them to allow me to state them further. No one likes to have their lack of integrity exposed so evidently, and it takes further integrity to accept it :D

It could be a nice theme for an editorial, but honestly I'm too busy actually informing my readers to waste my time further exposing an amateurish website that can't even take some solid criticism (or implement readable graphics, but that's a different matter).

I'll just re-review the game myself when the time is right (probably after this round of patches), since my editors greenlighted a regular space for MMORPG re-reviews. Now it's EVE online's turn, then Age of Conan (since they both had very relevant updates that warrant a new review). Probably around the end of september it'll be FFXIV's turn.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

To me it's not odd, it's suspicious. They've probably got an ulterior motive for doing so.

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I doubt it, chances are they just didn't want to wait and they probably "Finished" with the play part of the review weeks if not months ago. They make no mention of any of the real updates to the system.

I think they are just lazy.

By, the sounds of this thread, no one really looks at this site prior to purchasing the game. The review is accurate, the game has flaws...but this is what is wrong with people. How many people actually read movie reviews before going to see a film...for one your spoiling the movie and another reason...what does a 50+ year old man have to tell me about a Sci-Fi or comedy film. When my personality is completely different from theres, as well as my sense of humor or even my attention span for some of these people. To me the review if nothing other then the same posts we see on the forums day in and day out, that this game isn't living to expectations. Yet most of these people still play and still have faith...this review is nothing and if we lose people based on it, I wouldn't have wanted them to begin with. Who wants a bunch of people who think like this guy...the game will be better and it will rock. For those of you that played FFXI...it was nut and bolts before PS2 release...look at the changes someone posted on the forums...http://zeusls.llima.net/download/ffxiupdatehistory.html

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Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang

MMORPG is the kind of site that would review a game just before 1.18 to keep it's score low. You really think MMORPG does not get compensation for stuff like this? Well, in FFXIV's instance it isn't as great as a threat as other games. However, sites like these usually only like to keep scores high with companies that give them hand outs :)

and that's the truth.

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You're making this into some kind of Blizzard/9-11 conspiracy. The review was fairly written. The author reviewed the game for what it is. Not what it can be. Not for what the company tried to do. Not for what SE done in the past. He looked at the game objectively and based it on his experience now.

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Originally Posted by Cichy

You're making this into some kind of Blizzard/9-11 conspiracy. The review was fairly written. The author reviewed the game for what it is. Not what it can be. Not for what the company tried to do. Not for what SE done in the past. He looked at the game objectively and based it on his experience now.

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What people dont like is that it was reviewed before a potentionally game changing patch, the only logical reason is because they want the game to fail, give me another reason why it gets reviewed just before the biggest patch released?

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Originally Posted by Delsus

What people dont like is that it was reviewed before a potentionally game changing patch, the only logical reason is because they want the game to fail, give me another reason why it gets reviewed just before the biggest patch released?

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The content that is being released is mostly aimed at people 25+. Game reviewers dont even level that high.

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Originally Posted by Cichy

You're making this into some kind of Blizzard/9-11 conspiracy. The review was fairly written. The author reviewed the game for what it is. Not what it can be. Not for what the company tried to do. Not for what SE done in the past. He looked at the game objectively and based it on his experience now.

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Issue is the false information and timing issues with the review.

While it is highly accurate now... it is also highly misinformed info... like the rumor official videos that have been release on the front page of lodestone.

Also that review is valid for all of 3 days... I mean I would have no problem if they release a new review on monday... but you know as much as me that will not happen.

While the conspiracy probably is not true... it is a "Lets get one more jab at SE before they start to fix the game". And a very very obvious attempt to not get people to buy or return to the game.

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Originally Posted by Cichy

The content that is being released is mostly aimed at people 25+. Game reviewers dont even level that high.

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Then they are doing it wrong.

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Originally Posted by Cichy

The content that is being released is mostly aimed at people 25+. Game reviewers dont even level that high.

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Then there not reviewing the game, there reviewing the most boring parts so all mmos should get bad reviews because of that

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Originally Posted by Cichy

You're making this into some kind of Blizzard/9-11 conspiracy. The review was fairly written. The author reviewed the game for what it is. Not what it can be. Not for what the company tried to do. Not for what SE done in the past. He looked at the game objectively and based it on his experience now.

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I wonder what "experience" you're talking about.

Notice that the reviewer carefully removed her own character name from the screenshots (to avoid identification), and all the screenshots are from extremely low levels (physical 2, pugilist 1).

Something tells me that not only the review has been ill conceived and published at the worst time possible, but the author didn't play the game at all, or played it much less than it was necessary to even form an opinion on the game. Reading her rants, they seem coming more from reading some forums than from actually playing the game.

Otherwise, it doesn't really make the slightest sense to publish screenshots that come only from the very beginning of the game.

I do extend the courtesy of doubt to the author though, and in fact I asked her over twitter to let us know what levels she reached in the game before writing the review.

Somehow, though, I doubt she'll reply :D

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Notice that the reviewer carefully removed her own character name from the screenshots (to avoid identification), and all the screenshots are from extremely low levels (physical 2, pugilist 1).

Something tells me that not only the review has been ill conceived and published at the worst time possible, but the author didn't play the game at all, or played it much less than it was necessary to even form an opinion on the game. Reading her rants, they seem coming more from reading some forums than from actually playing the game.

Otherwise, it doesn't really make the slightest sense to publish screenshots that come only from the very beginning of the game.

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If she leveled to 50 the game would get a score of 2 instead of 5 because only than she would grasp the full failure.

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Originally Posted by Cichy

If she leveled to 50 the game would get a score of 2 instead of 5 because only than she would grasp the full failure.

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That's your (fairly laughable) opinion.

Fact is that reviewing a game before experiencing a fair chunk of it would be just another clear signal of lack of journalistic integrity.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

That's your (fairly laughable) opinion.

Fact is that reviewing a game before experiencing a fair chunk of it would be just another clear signal of lack of journalistic integrity.

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Every mmo developer does this...

why you get alot of mmo with scores of 8.5+ and they end up being completely lacking in content, originality, and balance once you get more then 2 days into them. They end up being the same crap as level 1-20 all the way to endgame... and then the game just stops outside meaningless pvp.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

I wonder what "experience" you're talking about.

Notice that the reviewer carefully removed her own character name from the screenshots (to avoid identification), and all the screenshots are from extremely low levels (physical 2, pugilist 1).

Something tells me that not only the review has been ill conceived and published at the worst time possible, but the author didn't play the game at all, or played it much less than it was necessary to even form an opinion on the game. Reading her rants, they seem coming more from reading some forums than from actually playing the game.

Otherwise, it doesn't really make the slightest sense to publish screenshots that come only from the very beginning of the game.

I do extend the courtesy of doubt to the author though, and in fact I asked her over twitter to let us know what levels she reached in the game before writing the review.

Somehow, though, I doubt she'll reply :D

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lmao didnt notice that put in on that discussion see what the website fanbois say lol

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Originally Posted by Abriael

That's your (fairly laughable) opinion.

Fact is that reviewing a game before experiencing a fair chunk of it would be just another clear signal of lack of journalistic integrity.

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There is nothing to experience, there is no content, you are feed the same mobs, leaves, environments till 50 with a side dish of terrible UI and a wrist slitting camera controls.

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Originally Posted by Xatsh

Every mmo developer does this...

why you get alot of mmo with scores of 8.5+ and they end up being completely lacking in content, originality, and balance once you get more then 2 days into them. They end up being the same crap as level 1-20 all the way to endgame... and then the game just stops outside meaningless pvp.

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Oh believe me, I know. I have been writing about games (and MMORPGs) for years. A journalist can play a MMORPG only so far before having to start writing a review.

Though, there's a big, big difference between playing a MMORPG a couple weeks (which is the bare minimum a reviewer should do, without being called on clear incompetence and lack of integrity) and playing it just a few scrawny hours, as the screenshots (and the article itself) seem to indicate.

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Originally Posted by Cichy

There is nothing to experience, there is no content, you are feed the same mobs, leaves, environments till 50 with a side dish of terrible UI and a wrist slitting camera controls.

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Thankfully you aren't a gaming journalist (but just a random hater). The kind of completely unrealistic hyperbole you just drooled is what clearly brands a very, very poor one.

Oh wait, what's another thing that plagues this lovely article? The widespread use of hyperbole.
Clearly a job welldone :D

Lol now they say i dont want anyone to bad mouth the game, even after I said if it was reviewed after 1.18 and its crap then they can say its crap /sigh some people are just really stupid

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Originally Posted by Delsus

Lol now they say i dont want anyone to bad mouth the game, even after I said if it was reviewed after 1.18 and its crap then they can say its crap /sigh some people are just really stupid

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Let it be mate, that guy is really not worth it (and for sure it's not worth to insult him, he insults himself just by writing, keep it classy :D).

Makes me chuckle when he argues that the changes in the development team are just "added" people, and not actual changes. Because you know, those positions they went to cover just created themselves. *poof!*

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Oh believe me, I know. I have been writing about games (and MMORPGs) for years. A journalist can play a MMORPG only so far before having to start writing a review.

Though, there's a big, big difference between playing a MMORPG a couple weeks (which is the bare minimum a reviewer should do, without being called on clear incompetence and lack of integrity) and playing it just a few scrawny hours, as the screenshots (and the article itself) seem to indicate.



Thankfully you aren't a gaming journalist (but just a random hater). The kind of completely unrealistic hyperbole you just drooled is what clearly brands a very, very poor one.

Oh wait, what's another thing that plagues this lovely article? The widespread use of hyperbole.
Clearly a job welldone :D

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I dont see how any of what I stated is untrue. Maybe in the parallel universe where you and all the white knights live in it is but here on earth average gamer who played XIV will say exact same thing I did.

Yay

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Only signed up today to see why they posted it and got provoked into my attacks

Must be the fastest ban ever

lol, What kind of idiot reviews a game one week before it gets overhauled. Regardless of whether you agree with him or not, he should be fired for incompetence..

It has been stated several times thus far...but regardless of some of the points made in that review, it really is a tad early to give it a score before the patches can hit :(

Oh and these emails

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Dear Delsus1,

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Dear Delsus1,

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Reason: Posting excessive negative comments or baiting others to respond in a negative manner is considered trolling on the MMORPG.com forums.

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Originally Posted by Kiote

lol, What kind of idiot reviews a game one week before it gets overhauled. Regardless of whether you agree with him or not, he should be fired for incompetence..

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Actually, not even a week.

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Originally Posted by Cichy

I dont see how any of what I stated is untrue. Maybe in the parallel universe where you and all the white knights live in it is but here on earth average gamer who played XIV will say exact same thing I did.

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"no content" is by itself a laughable hyperbole. Everything included in a game is content.
Levequests, sidequests, high and low NMS, storyline quests, class quests, crafting, cutscenes, behests and so forth.
All of that is content and the fact that you like it or not is completely inconsequential.

By the use of that hyperbole you stated something that's simply and factually untrue, and voided your statement of any validity. Pretty much like those poor wannabe gaming journalists that fill their poor excuses for reviews with hyperbolic statements (normally because they're too poor as writers to get a point across with a factual assessment of a game's pros and cons) void such articles of any validity and pretty much prove their incompetence to their readers.

Exactly like Miss May did with this review, I dare say.

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Originally Posted by Kiote

lol, What kind of idiot reviews a game one week before it gets overhauled. Regardless of whether you agree with him or not, he should be fired for incompetence..

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Dont say that on mmorpg thats what I got a ban for because it was apparently trolling

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Originally Posted by Delsus

Dont say that on mmorpg thats what I got a ban for because it was apparently trolling

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Well technically it IS trolling, it may be a rather correct assesment but it does far less to add to the conversation than just stating that it's.

"Odd"
To post this review just now.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Well technically it IS trolling, it may be a rather correct assesment but it does far less to add to the conversation than just stating that it's.

"Odd"
To post this review just now.

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I wouldnt call it trolling because its stating a fact, I just put it down to mmorpg.com being corrupt, sent em an email see what they say lol (prolly be a perma-ban knowing them) kinda funny that my account was temp banned after a few hrs lol

Hello,

This is my first post on the forums :) and hopefully I wont be stepping into a flame war here X_X.

Tbh I was one of those people who watched the game trailer over and over, who bought the collectors edition box, and was desperatly waiting for the box to arrive just to play FFXIV. I was in a guild who started in certain forum, that LS got full the first day.

One month later the LS died, and 90% of the people I knew went poof. Of course I went poof also. My last moment in the game was the event with the bells (samurai one). After that, with my broken heart I left the game. Nevertheless I have continued checking the Lodestone webpage EVERYSINGLE DAY.. Hoping that the game improves. I think the game has great potential.

I remember two weeks ago, I was kinda "loosing hope" about the game (since I didnt saw any BIG change into the patch notes), so I decided to enter and test those small changes by myself. Have to admit ... I LOVE THEM. I remember I fought a star marmot and I was impressed because the camera angle rotated in a weird way that made the whole experience a "movie". It was like playing a whole movie.

With that said... I do not think the review from mmorpg isnt that "unfair" or "biasd" .... to be honest I think is accurate. (Before somene rages here... LOL) let me put this into some points:

1)The review is accurate by the time it was reviewed. You can say that 1.18 is going to change everything but "you dont know that" I mean you dont know if things are going to be better or worst. You dont know if tanaka is going to delay part of the patch for future testing. You dont know really how big of a change its going to be. Maybe they give us 1.18a or 1.18b. You can even argue that its already said on the lodestone by official anouncement. But bottom line is that until its served on the table you cant say if its good or bad. Also about it being released about 3 days before 1.18... lets be honest here there isnt such thing as a "good time" to review an mmo like FFXIV. Because he release it one month from here then ppl would be like "wait until 1.19" and so on. Truth here is that everyone has been hoping the the next patch is the "big one"....

2)The reviews are usually not "written and published right away" even if he just played for 15 minutes or so... He did nailed some stuff there. Tbh I felt the same "playing an alpha or beta game" thing about the game, and im sure that my ex LS felt the same way, otherwise they wouldnt have left. The game its not in its best moment... thats a reality. If some people enjoy it or not its another thing.

3)In his review he states that if the game changes he will make another review for it. Im just saying... if 1.18 is going the "big one" and the game improves and it gets better in three months or so. Then im all for it to go and flame war at mmorpg forums. But at least, even if its just for 3 days, lets give him the benefit of the doubt. After all we are doing the same thing with FFXIV, we are giving SE the benfit of the doubt and we are hoping that the 1.18 is going to improve the game (when in reality we rlly dont know). So lets be fair and give the same benefit of the doubt to mmorpg and hope they make a new review after the game improves :). Afterall if ppl start a flame war at mmrpg forums, TODAY they are right... TODAY the review is accurate. We cant argue with stuff like "in three days.." or "in the future this game is going to"... because we dont know that. They cant review a game based on what we believe this game is going to be in the future.



With that said....

In my opinion the worst poison for this game is precisely the bad "reputation" it has. It even won a big golden poop, and it won the biggest disapointment of the year. With that said... weird enough when a game has a good reputation/reviews everyone plays it.

Its kinda funny for me, to hear reviews about other games... like Eden Eternal (tbh im kinda playing that game right now). And its a GRINDFEST lol... They have the same quest over and over and the craft system is mediocre (its literally none, since all the crafting is being made by an NPC). But it has good reviews. Weird enough you see that the same company who publish the game has some paid advertisements on those webpages.

Obviously when a an advertiser is getting its game reviewed its going to get a decent score, it dosent matter if the game itself is bad.

Unfair= yes... but the unfairness goes towards those games. And even if they give more points to rift, wow, or eden eternal... more then they deserve at the end that unfairness is being towards those games. In the end all the other games (90%? maybe) are being reviewed with under the same standards (and that incluides ffxiv). You can call it unprofesional jounralism.. but in reality thats how every single newspaper works. The people who buy ads, the sponsors, the advertisers they get good reviews and good notes.... In the end if you want to disqualify mmorpg "review" because of lack of profesionalism, you have to disqualify every single newspaper. In the end we are human beings and its imposible for us to give a 100% unbiased opinion.

Well those are my two cents. Hope it helps X_X and I hope I dont step into a flame war here


Btw hello :) my ign name is Arlekiel Dukiel, fabul server and I hope to join again ffxiv when 1.18 comes live. Im still hoping this game gets good :)

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Well technically it IS trolling, it may be a rather correct assesment but it does far less to add to the conversation than just stating that it's.

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Actually the definition of trolling is to post on a forum with the sole intent of stirring controversy.

Posting solid criticism to a review does not really fit into any definition of trolling. Actually, the review itself fits in the definition of trolling more than what anyone posted on the forums.

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Originally Posted by Arlekiel

Hello,

This is my first post on the forums :) and hopefully I wont be stepping into a flame war here X_X.

Tbh I was one of those people who watched the game trailer over and over, who bought the collectors edition box, and was desperatly waiting for the box to arrive just to play FFXIV. I was in a guild who started in certain forum, that LS got full the first day.

One month later the LS died, and 90% of the people I knew went poof. Of course I went poof also. My last moment in the game was the event with the bells (samurai one). After that, with my broken heart I left the game. Nevertheless I have continued checking the Lodestone webpage EVERYSINGLE DAY.. Hoping that the game improves. I think the game has great potential.

I remember two weeks ago, I was kinda "loosing hope" about the game (since I didnt saw any BIG change into the patch notes), so I decided to enter and test those small changes by myself. Have to admit ... I LOVE THEM. I remember I fought a star marmot and I was impressed because the camera angle rotated in a weird way that made the whole experience a "movie". It was like playing a whole movie.

With that said... I do not think the review from mmorpg isnt that "unfair" or "biasd" .... to be honest I think is accurate. (Before somene rages here... LOL) let me put this into some points:

1)The review is accurate by the time it was reviewed. You can say that 1.18 is going to change everything

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took most of your post so mine isnt too big, we arent saying that the review is wrong, we are saying it shouldnt have been released now, after 1.18 and checking those changes a review would be acceptable, as soon as it was announced they should have got their reviewer to prepare for the patch and post the review after they tried the new things out.

Also we dont like them saying official reviews are rumours.

Welcome to the forums, hope you dont get flamed too much :)

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Actually the definition of trolling is to post on a forum with the sole intent of stirring controversy.

Posting solid criticism to a review does not really fit into any definition of trolling. Actually, the review itself fits in the definition of trolling more than what anyone posted on the forums.

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^^ This, i'll just give them my 2 cents tomorrow when my ban has been lifted lol perma ban will be inc if they saw what we said as trolling.

A few points

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Originally Posted by Arlekiel

1)The review is accurate by the time it was reviewed.

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Aside from the fact that the review is chocked full of hyperbole, which pretty much voids the "accurate" part. The time the review has been published is the biggest issue. Publishing a review that you *know* will be inaccurate and misleading in four days is very, very poor journalism. Or maybe something else.

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2)The reviews are usually not "written and published right away"

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This isn't print gaming journalism. This is the internet. Even counting some reasonable time for proofreading and publishing, no review should need more than a day or two before being put online. If a site needs more than that, then it's simply inefficient and run by incompetents, deserving all the criticism they get.

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even if he just played for 15 minutes or so... He did nailed some stuff there. Tbh I felt the same "playing an alpha or beta game" thing about the game, and im sure that my ex LS felt the same way, otherwise they wouldnt have left. The game its not in its best moment... thats a reality. If some people enjoy it or not its another thing.

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All it takes is reading a couple forums to "nail some stuff". A journalist with any integrity has the duty to play and experience the game for himself for enough time to form a realistic opinion. The screenshots and the content of the article show me that the "writer" here didn't.

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3)In his review he states that if the game changes he will make another review for it.

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All the more reason NOT to post a review that's going to be irrelevant and misleading soon. Just wait for the changes that you KNOW (and if you don't know you simply shouldn't be a gaming writer) are coming, and then post a *relevant* review after. Easy Peasy.
Did you actually write the review months before and you're afraid to waste it? Well. Though luck.

Again. The first duty of a gaming journalist is to inform (and not mislead) their readers. In this this review simply fails radically.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Aside from the fact that the review is chocked full of hyperbole, which pretty much voids the "accurate" part. The time the review has been published is the biggest issue. Publishing a review that you [SIZE="7"]*know*[/SIZE] will be inaccurate and misleading in four days is very, very poor journalism. Or maybe something else.

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We don't know.. If the current track record is anything to go by disappoint will ensue thus making this review valid for past, present and future.

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Originally Posted by Joeking

We don't know.. If the current track record is anything to go by disappoint will ensue thus making this review valid for past, present and future.

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We DO know that there's going to be a sizable amount of additional content in the game compared to now. Also, we do know that combat is going to be factually different.

Better or worse has no relevance to that fact. The fact is that the game is going to be *different* turning this "review" into an irrelevant heap of ill-conceived hyperbole.