Doesn't it make more sense for Thaum. to have Raise/Rebirth II?

Since people are looking stuff up tell me where you find SE is implementing a WHM and BLM too please.

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Now you gonna make other people look for stuff for you huh? i see how it is..

That would take forever to find now. But Bayohne told us it was in the devs plans to have one class unlock one job.

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Yea, I am. Because I cannot find it, no matter which Com Rep response I'm looking at. There's far too many, so I'm hoping that we can get confirmation for it. It is pretty hard digging through countless pages of topics you know, Reika, so to confirm it, I hope other people can also help out.

Telling me that Bayohne told us doesn't do much. I want the ACTUAL source of his post, though I thank you for narrowing it down. -hunts down his posts-

nvm, found it:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...941#post161941

There hasn't been any update to that since, so we can assume it is still one-one.

"Right now, we can't give any further details about the possibility of having multiple jobs per class."

Means there IS the possiblity of more than one job per class.

Plus if you people think your THM is going to get BLM or WHM you are sorely mistaken.

Ah, I see. Thank you, Reika. At least he hasn't dispelled the possibility of multiple jobs, but....hmm. One to one...this will especially complicate things for DoM. Thank you again, Reika, for finding it.

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Originally Posted by Raze

Since people are looking stuff up tell me where you find SE is implementing a WHM and BLM too please.

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As to that, i dint think theres been a confirmed list of jobs that will be unlocked. but since they are classic and base jobs, WHM and BLM seem like viable starters.

We aren't going to get BLM in the first wave.

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Originally Posted by Kiote

We aren't going to get BLM in the first wave.

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and yet Yoshi-P has concept art for both Black Mage and Dark Knight armors, but not White Mage and Paladin..

Letter IV:
http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...449d1b7c37eb49

I didn't say they weren't gonna give it to us at all.. I'm thinking PS3 release.

Either way, here's to hoping that there will be multiple jobs per class. Bayohne didn't say there wasn't so that possibility still exists.

As Reika said, most likely BLM and WHM will be in the first wave of jobs. I just hope other mage jobs also become available. Right now, our mages are kind of neglected. -crosses fingers-

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As to that, i dint think theres been a confirmed list of jobs that will be unlocked. but since they are classic and base jobs, WHM and BLM seem like viable starters.

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I agree that they seem like the way XIV would go when presented with the GLA>>PLD specialization, but I'm not seeing the point of mages complaining about anything. I'm pretty sure the rep asked to stave off questions about this since nothing is concrete, but this wild speculation is really helping a lot. It's too bad SE doesn't allow you to rank up both CON and THM :/

The update hasn't even come out yet lol the ratio of negative complaint threads to positive comments is obscene. I can't help but think we'd get more info if everyone didn't make a federal case over things like raises and offered something based on actual evidence without the attitude that SE ripped them off somehow with everything they do.

It would create much animosity toward Yoshi-P (specially from me) if we didn't, since he had to go and make those 2 the first armor sets he showed.

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Originally Posted by Kiote

"Right now, we can't give any further details about the possibility of having multiple jobs per class."
Means there IS the possiblity of more than one job per class.

Plus if you people think your THM is going to get BLM or WHM you are sorely mistaken.

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We aren't going to get BLM in the first wave.

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Where are you getting your informaton from?

I would direct you to the translated famitsu article posted by Kristina_Farron which states:

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Currently the "Job" names that finalized are: Paladin, Monk, White Mage, Black Mage, Dragon Knight, Bard.

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BLM is coming in the implementation of jobs. There are two mage classes and there are two mage jobs. Based on the addition of the CON only raise spells, it is pretty safe to assume CON will get the WHM job. There is only one set left to pair together. You do the math.

There was an old post that stated which jobs they were planning on implementing. There was Paladin, Monk, Dragoon, White Mage, Black Mage, and Bard(Bard threw a bunch of people off saying "ARC=BRD??") It was weird. Anyone else remember that?

Edited: ^ Nevermind Wynn found it

I was highly upset that there wasnt Dark Knight in that list...

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Where are you getting your informaton from?

I would direct you to the translated famitsu article posted by Kristina_Farron which states:

BLM is coming in the implementation of jobs. There are two mage classes and there are two mage jobs. Based on the addition of the CON only raise spells, it is pretty safe to assume CON will get the WHM job. There is only one set left to pair together. You do the math.

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They said 'currently'. They never said that the list was ALL the jobs that are going to be in. So no, maths will not workout with so many variables to do with. Differentiating between full and incomplete will be a pain seeing as there is no solid evidence to either one of those options.

Also, would you happen to have the link to that translated article? Having it in quotes will make it seem dubious, knowing rumours and false information that gets circled around, so I would prefer to see the actual source. Thank you, anyhow.

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I was highly upset that there wasnt Dark Knight in that list...

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No, a rep did not post it. However, it was still an official interview by Famitsu that a Japanese player was kind enough to translate for us.

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They said 'currently'. They never said that the list was ALL the jobs that are going to be in. So no, maths will not workout with so many variables to do with. Differentiating between full and incomplete will be a pain seeing as there is no solid evidence to either one of those options.

Also, would you happen to have the link to that translated article? Having it in quotes will make it seem dubious, knowing rumours and false information that gets circled around, so I would prefer to see the actual source. Thank you, anyhow.

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Ok, split hairs all you want but they stated BLM was confirmed as a job that was finalized in that interview. Also, if you want to view the article, I suggest you use the search function.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...azine-Aug.2011

Split hairs, I shall. The person who translated it also said that some classes may not be finalized. -narrows down on that point-

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時期については明言できないが、特定の二つのクラスを一定ランクまであげると取得できる、複合ジョブも用意する。たとえば、幻術士と呪術士を両方育てると赤魔導士といった展開もあり得る。
Although the time is unknown, they are planning to have "combined job" which is obtained by two specified class over specified rank. For example, CON + THM = Red Mage.

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Hmm....-fingers crossed even more-

There just plain needs to be more than 7 jobs

Gladiator -> Paladin
Pugilist -> Monk
Marauder -> Warrior?
Archer -> Bard??
Lancer -> Dragoon (Which is Dragon Knight in short)
Conj -> WHM?
Thaum -> BLM?!

all meh to me.
1-2 would be better

Gladiator -> Paladin and ??
Pugilist -> Monk and ??
Marauder -> Warrior and ??
Archer -> Ranger and Bard
Lancer -> Dragoon (Which is Dragon Knight in short) and ??
Conj -> WHM and Blackmage
Thaum -> Dark Knight and ??

since there would be many ??'s to some, a 2-1 system for some jobs would be even better, and make more sense, and be like tactics, which was fun.

Red Mage = Gld/Conj
Dark Knight = Gld/Thm or Mrd/Thm (btw.. Greatswords SE......)

and some other combinations for jobs i forgot or dont know down the line. but some need to be there NAO. Like Dark Knight...

They just cant release Paladin without its counterpart.. So IMO the jobs we SHOULD see at the beginning are WHM, BLM, PLD, DRK, WAR, RNG, DRG, MNK.

Who knows what makes more sense in Yoshi's world.

To me, the only thing that remains up in the air is who the heck becomes BRD and if it isn't ARC, what job do they get? All the rest seem easily placed, more so now that the CON only raise spells have been announced.

Of course, nothing is certain until we see it live, but based on what has information has been given by the devs and reps in these forums and magazine interviews the writing is on the wall.

I think we may be straying a bit off the original topic of the thread now ... and re-hashing subject matter from debates from long ago.

We should probably try to stay a bit more on topic to avoid re-fighting fights we've had in older threads.

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Thaum description:
The guild is centered at the Arrzaneth Ossuary in Ul'dah, within whose hallowed walls are said to reside powers of life, death, and the beyond.

Conj description:
Conjury calls upon elemental forces present in nature and concentrates them to a potency at which spells can be weaved.

Anyhow this made me confused because I felt pretty confident that THM would have White Mage, and Conj would have Black Mage based on their guilds once the job introduction patch would hit. Now I just don't know again. Which one am I supposed to level? :(

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Meanwhile in ITT land...

THM: "Hey conjuror, go make me a sandwhich."
CON: "Just because I can't fully resurrect the dead doesn't mean Jesus doesn't love me!"
MRD: "...see big ogre.. Hit big ogre!"

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Gladiator -> Paladin and ??
Pugilist -> Monk and ??
Marauder -> Warrior and ??
Archer -> Ranger and Bard
Lancer -> Dragoon (Which is Dragon Knight in short) and ??
Conj -> WHM and Blackmage
Thaum -> Dark Knight and ??

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I agree that there plainly need to be more than 7 jobs. You got most of what I was thinking except for Thaumaturge...

Gladiator -> Paladin and Knight
Pugilist -> Monk and Ninja/Thief
Marauder -> Warrior and Fighter
Archer -> Ranger and Bard
Lancer -> Dragoon and Soldier

Conjurer -> White Mage and Black Mage
Thaumaturge -> Time Mage and Arcane Mage

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I think we may be straying a bit off the original topic of the thread now ... and re-hashing subject matter from debates from long ago.

We should probably try to stay a bit more on topic to avoid re-fighting fights we've had in older threads.

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This is true...... dealing with who gets what spells is the same as dealing with what will unlock what, which is how it got to talking about conj unlocking WHM because its getting the more powerful raise spells.

Bard would get it's own class they did not say which class get MRD or Archer it make no sense for Archer to get bard. it should get it own class and seeing how 20.0 coming around the 1year of ffxiv it seem right to add a new class/job

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I agree that there plainly need to be more than 7 jobs. You got most of what I was thinking except for Thaumaturge...

Gladiator -> Paladin and Knight
Pugilist -> Monk and Ninja/Thief
Marauder -> Warrior and Fighter
Archer -> Ranger and Bard
Lancer -> Dragoon and Soldier

Conjurer -> White Mage and Black Mage
Thaumaturge -> Time Mage and Arcane Mage

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OH you just reminded me that there is an archanist guild in limsa, that is plainly unused now... perhaps that will be the proper direction for Thaumaturge, since arcane arts dont really deal with the elements (thaum attacks). and Astral and Umbral also represent time in Eorzia, so Time Mage would be a viable job for Thaum as well.

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Bard would get it's own class they did not say which class get MRD or Archer it make no sense for Archer to get bard. it should get it own class and seeing how 20.0 coming around the 1year of ffxiv it seem right to add a new class/job

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I honestly don't think they should bother adding new classes down the road, just jobs to unlock by meeting certain conditions.

Bard - job, Musketeer - Job, Samurai - Job.

Tho making some of them classes would require you to actually level them up, considering their current plans to have jobs be level-less, which would be stupid as well.

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Meanwhile in ITT land...

THM: "Hey conjuror, go make me a sandwhich."
CON: "Just because I can't fully resurrect the dead doesn't mean Jesus doesn't love me!"
MRD: "...see big ogre.. Hit big ogre!"

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MRD: "...why stupid mages no cure me... oh crap"

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This is true...... dealing with who gets what spells is the same as dealing with what will unlock what, which is how it got to talking about conj unlocking WHM because its getting the more powerful raise spells.

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In regards to the original topic of this thread, it seems pretty clear to me that Thaumaturges should get the most powerful raising spells because they worship the god Nald, the Imbuer of Life.

In regards to Class-to-Job assignments, I wish as most everyone else does, that the ratio was not 1-to-1. It makes having a number of jobs that the community wants virtually impossible.

Hopefully, with enough support from the community we can change the Development Team's mind on both these issues.

Reika, data-mining (I think) have shown Arcanist and Musketeer to be classes. So I don't think they'll be classes; especially since they both have guilds located in Limsa Lominsa.

I've always thought Arcanist to be more the alchemist class, the mixing of items or using goods for attacks, being more the physical type of magic damage. (Yes, doesn't make sense, I know). The name was always a bit weird to me, seeing as THM dealed more with the arcane side of magic. The job for Arcanist would probably be Illusionist, but yet again, speculation. Musketeer can easily have it's own job, Sniper or some other job that involves guns.

Not a bad thought, Reika. I always termed the THM class the arcane and time warping mage class, so I can see where you went with Arcanist.

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Perhaps THM will have its equal skills of healing, similar to CON as well, but SE just haven't confirmed it or released it to the public. A bad move on their part, if it was true, but we can't assume that THM doesn't get any superior resurrecting skills much like CON has. Perhaps other ones like Revive, or Resurrect II....we can't rule out that possibility.

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Reika, data-mining (I think) have shown Arcanist and Musketeer to be classes. So I don't think they'll be classes; especially since they both have guilds located in Limsa Lominsa.

I've always thought Arcanist to be more the alchemist class, the mixing of items or using goods for attacks, being more the physical type of magic damage. (Yes, doesn't make sense, I know). The name was always a bit weird to me, seeing as THM dealed more with the arcane side of magic. The job for Arcanist would probably be Illusionist, but yet again, speculation. Musketeer can easily have it's own job, Sniper or some other job that involves guns.

Not a bad thought, Reika. I always termed the THM class the arcane and time warping mage class, so I can see where you went with Arcanist.

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All that data can magically change one day tho.

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All that data can magically change one day tho.

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True that. But seeing as an Arcanist has already been wandering in our midst, I don't think they'll change the status of it from being a class to a job. Besides, if Arcanist and Musketeer do become jobs, it would be pretty unfair for the other jobs since they'll be the only ones with guilds, unless SE can somehow create extra guilds around the city-states for the jobs.

the job guilds might be in Ishgard.

In which case we'll most likely have to wait till the expansion to get to the guilds. T^T But even so, that wouldn't make a difference to Arcanist or Musketeer unless they abandon Limsa Lominsa to go to Ishgard. So I think they'll remain as classes.

classes we will have to wait for the next expansion to get as well, the way they are going. they should have been avaliable classes from the very beginning if they were going to make them classes... as Limsa is the only place with one combat guild right now.

Limsa is the only one with 2 guilds that appear to do nothing as well. Yea, they should have put them as available classes from the start....but since the data is already in, it would be relatively easier to shuffle in those two classes than whatnot. If they do come with expansion...well, that's something to look forward to in terms of more leveling and skills. If not, and it comes before, that's an added bonus to us. Either way, they will implement them sooner or later, especially since the two guilds have been used in storyline quests as well in the Limsa Lominsa story-side.

This thread is about Thaum/Conj and about their possibilities to tie into WHM/BLM and discussions over their lore. Please leave other classes and jobs out of this thread thank you!

Community representatives, I believe many people would be appreciative if you could get a sliver of insight from the developers on this topic. Thank you.

Can we just delete the current classes and add in WHM, BLM, WAR, THF, MNK, RDM.

No, I'm kidding... people would get insanely upset... But really, with only 2 mages, one is probably going to go Black Mage (we know we have seen the armor for it a while back), and the other WHM (because it would just kind of make sense). I think in order to do this, you really need to just redo the mage classes. CON has attributes of WHM and BLM, and THM has some secondary attributes of both, but lacks the main attributes of both (it would make an odd WHM given the lack of Cure, Shell, Protect, Raise... and an odd BLM given the lack of elemental magics, ancient magic...).

TLDR: Just redo the mages.