New Letter from the Producer, XII

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Originally Posted by Fated

I don't quite understand how so many people get comforted by Yoshida's empty words of self praise and foreshadowing. Everytime this guy mentions his "super duper amazing" patch and praises himself he provides so very little information about it. As it is the patch is being delayed and now we're closing in on the dates that mark the beginning of the new release date window and we still have nearly nothing to go on. He thinks this letter was a wall of text? He barely even told us anything, all he keeps doing is babbling on and on about his vision for the next patch and the one after that without giving any kind of details.

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I like what was implied by the letter because I hate leves, but I must say that you do have a point there.

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Originally Posted by Richard

except the string starts to end in 1-2 weeks? What are all you trolls gonna complain about when all of this stuff is finally implemented?

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Hell its only been 9 months, i'm sure i'll find something to complain about. Even after reading a wall of text i could care less about the leves. I want to know the details of the battle system and how they are going to actually have classes be unique. Until they fix that, i could care less about leves.

And i could care less about wow, that game bores me slightly less than 14 does. Though this game going "casual" will probably still torpedo the project. Casual = no sense of accomplishment.

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Originally Posted by Richard

I'll play the worlds smallest violin for them on my new Bard lulul

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ill allow it

as long as your also spoony

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Originally Posted by Chezen

My reactions to this letter is little bit mixed. I was a expecting a rehaul to the battle system and some parts of the game. A restructure of pretty much everything, I was not. Lots of it I like, a little bit I don't, but overall it looks good.

The main thing I'm not that happy with, is upping the SP on the guildleves. As a primary soloer, I don't want my leveling experience made easier. But from a business perspective, this move makes sense I guess.

On that note, this line looks enticing,


Oooo please, please, pretty please, sign me up. ^^


I'm glad to see that DoH and DoL will not be put on backburner or swept under the carpet. Having these matter and be a cornerstone part of the game is something I always thought was a really nice aspect of it.

I also like that the guildleves will start offering city orientated rewards. I think this is a really nice move, and will help distribute people throughout Eorzea. I just hope they don't up the guild marks too much.




This is what I'm happiest to read of all. I believed with the structure of FFXIV, this could be done, and it's nice to see the plans for it.

To sum up my thoughts overall... you guys have sure been busy, Yoshi-P-tachi. Keep up the good work. :)

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They aren't "upping" SP on leves they are reducing it. They are adding a bonus to the end of some leves in the form of XP but unless it's a 15,000 XP bonus it wont be more than currently failing leves.
They are shifting to the new age of MMO progression which is focused more on the content than the leveling (like GW2 is doing): sideways character progression as opposed to upwards leveling progression.

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Originally Posted by Richard

If they are talking about implementing XP chains then yes that should be the general idea. Players would be able to:

a) get a light/full party together and run an instance, behest or find a mob grinding camp to get XP. The incentive to do this is that the faster you kill, the more XP bonus you get.

b) solo leves for XP or do them in a party to complete them faster. Remember Yoshida said REDUCTION of bonus not REMOVAL. The XP will not be as great as before but I doubt it will be so drastically reduced that leves will never be worth your time.

c) pickup sidequests or (hopefully daily/repeatable) quests at frontier hubs for XP. They may also optimize some for party play.

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Most maps give noting to SP while in party the only thing that give good sp is 10-21 is a type of mob in LL which give 500-700sp. Once you reach 21 finding anything that give over 250sp is hard even with exp chain it going to be dumb sp.

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Originally Posted by Richard

1. uhmm they aren't "upping" SP on leves they are reducing it. They are adding a bonus to the end of some leves in the form of XP but unless it's a 15,000 XP bonus it wont be more than currently failing leves.

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Wrong phrase then, I mean the EXP.

Since I primarily solo, leve-linking terms mean little to me. Point is, they are upping the amount of exp you get in a leve.

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In light of guildleves’ repositioning as solo-oriented content, leve link bonuses will be reduced. To make up for this reduction, skill points will be added as a new reward for the benefit of solo adventurers.

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Unless I am misunderstanding this. If I am, someone please explain better? :)

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Originally Posted by Richard

except the string starts to end in 1-2 weeks? What are all you trolls gonna complain about when all of this stuff is finally implemented?

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You're more of a troll than the people who are complaining. People are noting logical and obvious fallacies in the way he writes these letters. You can see over the course of the letters that he has written before that he hypes up certain things and intentionally leads the playerbase to believe that they will be making appearances far sooner than they actually will. This is a major part of what spikes the disappointment of players when they figure out what he is really saying.

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Originally Posted by Blitz0309

Hell its only been 9 months, i'm sure i'll find something to complain about. Even after reading a wall of text i could care less about the leves. I want to know the details of the battle system and how they are going to actually have classes be unique. Until they fix that, i could care less about leves.

And i could care less about wow, that game bores me slightly less than 14 does. Though this game going "casual" will probably still torpedo the project. Casual = no sense or accomplishment.

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OH NO IVE BEEN PLAYING A FREE GAME FOR 9 MONTHS MY LIFE WILL NEVER BE THE SAME EVERY AGAIN. They are posting a Producers Letter every week (most likely each monday) until 1.18 hits the 2nd - 3rd week of July. It will cover all of your wants and needs about the battle changes. Learn some ****ing patience. OH WAIT THATS RIGHT YOUVE BEEN WAITING 9 MONTHS AND IT ALL RAN OUT. /worlds smallest violin from Bard.

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Originally Posted by Richard

They aren't "upping" SP on leves they are reducing it. They are adding a bonus to the end of some leves in the form of XP but unless it's a 15,000 XP bonus it wont be more than currently failing leves.
They are shifting to the new age of MMO progression which is focused more on the content than the leveling (like GW2 is doing): sideways character progression as opposed to upwards leveling progression.

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15k would up the sp per leve, easily
i can see a 5k sp bonus at the end of a leve making it more like how they are now(i can see this number being pretty fair and accurate if they scale leves by rank, since there are currently 5 tiers)

they are rewarding completion with this is all it is, they arent "nerfing leves" after all
of course in the end, itl probly be a huge bonus to some of the lesser leves which sucked for sp beforehand

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Most maps give noting to SP while in party the only thing that give good sp is 10-21 is a type of mob in LL which give 500-700sp. Once you reach 21 finding anything that give over 250sp is hard even with exp chain it going to be dumb sp.

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That is why they are redoing mob distribution and maps and adding exp chains. I never said grinding was optimal now considering the highest base SP (WORTH GETTING) in the higher levels is 150.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

15k would up the sp per leve, easily
i can see a 5k sp bonus at the end of a leve making it more like how they are now(i can see this number being pretty fair and accurate if they scale leves by rank, since there are currently 5 tiers)

they are rewarding completion with this is all it is, they arent "nerfing leves" after all
of course in the end, itl probly be a huge bonus to some of the lesser leves which sucked for sp beforehand

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that all depends on what the new XP looks like with leves. Neither you, nor I, nor anyone knows what its going to be. If Dunesfolk for Dinner gives 5,000 XP solo now and the bonus is 5,000 XP - it still wont be as much XP as people were getting when failing. All speculation at this point.

Not really, you can get far higher than that based on enemy type and rank even at rank 50 (obviously SP means nothing at that point, though). However, the one truth right now is that it is NOT worth the effort to get those numbers.

what's the point of splitting these information?

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Originally Posted by Nipa

Why doesn't he realize that having to go back to the leve counter is a massive deterrent for casual players?

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I guess he doesn't full understand the laziness and "give it to me nao"ness of certain playerbases.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

what's the point of splitting these information?

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Nothing was split, get over it.

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Originally Posted by Chezen

Wrong phrase then, I mean the EXP.

Since I primarily solo, leve-linking terms mean little to me. Point is, they are upping the amount of exp you get in a leve.



Unless I am misunderstanding this. If I am, someone please explain better? :)

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They're reducing the amount of SP/XP you get from going through the leve and instead shifting it to a bonus you get for completing it.

So instead of getting all SP/XP through killing the monsters, you get some from that and then some from completion.

EX: Say now you get 550 SP per monster and there are 10 monsters
You get 5550 SP for doing that leve

With this patch, say they reduce the SP amount to 300 per monster. You now only get 3000 SP for killing all the monsters.
Then, upon completing the leve via an aetherial node, you get a bonus 2550 SP.

You get the same amount of SP in the end, but only if you actually complete the leve.

At least, that's what makes sense to me.

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Originally Posted by Fated

Not really, you can get far higher than that based on enemy type and rank even at rank 50 (obviously SP means nothing at that point, though). However, the one truth right now is that it is NOT worth the effort to get those numbers.

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Originally Posted by Richard

That is why they are redoing mob distribution and maps and adding exp chains. I never said grinding was optimal now considering the highest base SP (WORTH GETTING) in the higher levels is 150.

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I thought it was pretty obvious that we'd be discussing normal SP mobs. There is no point in killing R65+ mobs for SP.

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Originally Posted by Richard

that all depends on what the new XP looks like with leves. Neither you, nor I, nor anyone knows what its going to be. If Dunesfolk for Dinner gives 5,000 XP solo now and the bonus is 5,000 XP - it still wont be as much XP as people were getting when failing. All speculation at this point.

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dunesfolk gives roughly 15-20k average right now, with a 4 man party, all linked up with aspect


you get 150 sp for the aspect
250 sp per link
(i think this is the numbers it was, cant remember for sure)

you get 300 sp base for the mobs


before you would average 16 mobs total per leve or so. that ended up being around 20k sp
so with no links, and no aspect, right now, you get close to 5k sp

linking isnt being removed, aspect isnt being changed at all
so add back in 2k sp for aspect, you still get 7k before linking

now even assuming they put a 50% hit to sp for links, you STILL will get 125 more sp per kill per link, thats roughly 2k more sp per link, rounding out around 5-6k more sp

so you end up with 12-13k sp, if its a 50% nerf(and i dont think it will be, i think itl be close to 25%)

so a 15k sp bonus isnt needed to "even it out" closer to a 5-6k sp bonus, on dunesfolk will do the trick


and of course, on most other leves, this isnt even close to the case, even a 5k bonus will boost you past what the current sp gains are in those



add in the removal of fatigue now....(yes thatl add up too)



but lets go with 5k sp, 8 leves, thats 40k BASE sp before you count mob kills, so sp wont be much different then it is now with that number, and i see it being around there(possibly 4k sp for 40s, i can see it being that low at most)

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Originally Posted by Richard

OH NO IVE BEEN PLAYING A FREE GAME FOR 9 MONTHS MY LIFE WILL NEVER BE THE SAME EVERY AGAIN. They are posting a Producers Letter every week (most likely each monday) until 1.18 hits the 2nd - 3rd week of July. It will cover all of your wants and needs about the battle changes. Learn some ****ing patience. OH WAIT THATS RIGHT YOUVE BEEN WAITING 9 MONTHS AND IT ALL RAN OUT. /worlds smallest violin from Bard.

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Lol, its not free. Hell i paid $70 for it. And i haven't been playing it either because its not worth the time. I might of put 20 hours in total on ffxiv, and i quickly realized i had to force myself to login.

And you want me to be patient after 9 months? I would say i've been more than patient, but i'm not going to try and reason with a child like you. At least i'm assuming you're a child, typing in caps isn't something a rational adult does.

Either way, they showed us a video of the battle system that they pretty much said "Well, this is what we have, this probably isn't what its going to be though". And no word has been released on jobs. All of this after 9 months. Yeah, you're right. I'm in the wrong.

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Originally Posted by Blitz0309

Lol, its not free. Hell i paid $70 for it. And i haven't been playing it either because its not worth the time. I might of put 20 hours in total on ffxiv, and i quickly realized i had to force myself to login.

And you want me to be patient after 9 months? I would say i've been more than patient, but i'm not going to try and reason with a child like you. At least i'm assuming you're a child, typing in caps isn't something a rational adult does.

Either way, they showed us a video of the battle system that they pretty much said "Well, this is what we have, this probably isn't what its going to be though". And no word has been released on jobs. All of this after 9 months. Yeah, you're right. I'm in the wrong.

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tell me again, why are you still here?

Although Wolfie might disagree with me since he's always trolling me with crazy comments like "Your comments are stupid, I wish bats would attack you for no particular reason" or "That makes no sense, why won't you give me your carrot cake recipe, it's as if you're made entirely of indifference and left over turkey" I'll say it anyhow.

I for one thought Yoshida's (and the team's) assessment and repositioning of guildleves in the game and the way in which they went about it were very reasonable and rational steps to take that give me only hope for the future of this game. They espouse an underlying common sense that's refreshing to see.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

what's the point of splitting these information?

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They're trying to fluff up the Lodestone so that it seems like there's a lot more info to share than there actually is. The facts in this could probably be summed up in a few bullet points.

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Originally Posted by Blitz0309

Either way, they showed us a video of the battle system that they pretty much said "Well, this is what we have, this probably isn't what its going to be though". And no word has been released on jobs. All of this after 9 months. Yeah, you're right. I'm in the wrong.

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- Jobs unlock their own "new" skills and lock out skills from classes not related to the job
- Jobs level with the class they are attached to
- Jobs are for party play
- You must complete a quest to unlock a job
- Paladin, Monk, Dragoon, Bard, White Mage, and Black Mage are the 6 jobs they have slated for release right now (names subject to change)

Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it isn't out there.

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linking isnt being removed, aspect isnt being changed at all
so add back in 2k sp for aspect, you still get 7k before linking

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I never said linking was being removed but it is being reduced. Again like I said until you or I or anyone knows the exact amount of the redux - it's all speculation and I'm going to hold my speculation that we will be getting less.

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Originally Posted by Blitz0309

Lol, its not free. Hell i paid $70 for it. And i haven't been playing it either because its not worth the time. I might of put 20 hours in total on ffxiv, and i quickly realized i had to force myself to login.

And you want me to be patient after 9 months? I would say i've been more than patient, but i'm not going to try and reason with a child like you. At least i'm assuming you're a child, typing in caps isn't something a rational adult does.

Either way, they showed us a video of the battle system that they pretty much said "Well, this is what we have, this probably isn't what its going to be though". And no word has been released on jobs. All of this after 9 months. Yeah, you're right. I'm in the wrong.

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The game has paid for itself and more already. If you can't be patient then get off the forums and go to another game instead of sitting here like a nerd complaining about a game you don't even like.

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Originally Posted by Richard

I never said linking was being removed but it is being reduced. Again like I said until you or I or anyone knows the exact amount of the redux - it's all speculation and I'm going to hold my speculation that we will be getting less.

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i know we will be getting less

but the entire point of this change wasnt to nerf leves
it was to promote completion of them instead of failing them

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

- Jobs unlock their own "new" skills and lock out skills from classes not related to the job
- Jobs level with the class they are attached to
- Jobs are for party play
- You must complete a quest to unlock a job
- Paladin, Monk, Dragoon, Bard, White Mage, and Red Mage are the 6 jobs they have slated for release right now (names subject to change)

Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it isn't out there.

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And that's enough information for you?

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Originally Posted by Blitz0309

And that's enough information for you?

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Until it's released, yes.

I'm a bit concerned about leves being changes to be focussed on solo play. As boring as leves are, they're still more fun than raptor grinding.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

i know we will be getting less

but the entire point of this change wasnt to nerf leves
it was to promote completion of them instead of failing them

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Vedis stop sprinkling logical conjecture all over the place. The answer is clearly "Derp Derp, I gets less XP, this game sucks, derp derp".

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Originally Posted by Richard

The game has paid for itself and more already. If you can't be patient then get off the forums and go to another game instead of sitting here like a nerd complaining about a game you don't even like.

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If i wasn't bored at work and was at home, i would be playing a game. But reading/posting on here is one of the best forms of entertainment i can get at work.

I don't like the game, this is true. Though like everyone else, i see potential and i'm hopeful. Though really that hope dies off a little bit every day.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

i know we will be getting less

but the entire point of this change wasnt to nerf leves
it was to promote completion of them instead of failing them

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I 100% understand and agree with that I was merely commenting on the supposed "buff" vs "nerf" mentality.

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Originally Posted by Blitz0309

And that's enough information for you?

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You don't need a treasure trove of information. It's a W.I.P system.

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Originally Posted by Xenor

I'm a bit concerned about leves being changes to be focussed on solo play. As boring as leves are, they're still more fun than raptor grinding.

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linking with a group will still give more sp then solo
the change will give the solo player the bonus though so that they can get a fair ammount from it too
groups will still get a link bonus, and they will be able to do it on higher star count(to maximize sp gain) unlike a soloer who may be stuck on 1-2 star

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Originally Posted by Xenor

I'm a bit concerned about leves being changes to be focussed on solo play. As boring as leves are, they're still more fun than raptor grinding.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

They're reducing the amount of SP/XP you get from going through the leve and instead shifting it to a bonus you get for completing it.

So instead of getting all SP/XP through killing the monsters, you get some from that and then some from completion.

EX: Say now you get 550 SP per monster and there are 10 monsters
You get 5550 SP for doing that leve

With this patch, say they reduce the SP amount to 300 per monster. You now only get 3000 SP for killing all the monsters.
Then, upon completing the leve via an aetherial node, you get a bonus 2550 SP.

You get the same amount of SP in the end, but only if you actually complete the leve.

At least, that's what makes sense to me.

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Thank you. :)

But it was leve-link oriented, and now it will be individually orientated, right? Meaning faster solo/casual leveling. I just personally don't want to level faster, that's all. But a lot of people do, so it's a good business move.

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Originally Posted by Xenor

I'm a bit concerned about leves being changes to be focussed on solo play. As boring as leves are, they're still more fun than raptor grinding.

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Leves were always supposed to be for people who have no time to play MMORPGs. They did originally say it will be the main point of the game because they were trying to make it casual friendly. So now it's being put in its' place.

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Originally Posted by Chezen

Thank you. :)

But it was leve-link oriented, and now it will be individually orientated, right? Meaning faster solo/casual leveling. I just personally don't want to level faster, that's all. But a lot of people do, so it's a good business move.

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Levelinks give a ton of SP/XP right now, they're wanting to reduce that to make less of a difference between solo leves vs. group leves.

But I do hope leveling gets quicker. 20-30 is a long and boring grind.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

Levelinks give a ton of SP/XP right now, they're wanting to reduce that to make less of a difference between solo leves vs. group leves.

But I do hope leveling gets quicker. 20-30 is a long and boring grind.

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it will get faster. SQEX doesn't want the focus to be on leveling anymore. Much like GW2 who they are going to have to compete with, sideways character progression is where they're gonna focus. Which is awesome :D

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Originally Posted by Blitz0309

Lol, its not free. Hell i paid $70 for it. And i haven't been playing it either because its not worth the time. I might of put 20 hours in total on ffxiv, and i quickly realized i had to force myself to login.

And you want me to be patient after 9 months? I would say i've been more than patient, but i'm not going to try and reason with a child like you. At least i'm assuming you're a child, typing in caps isn't something a rational adult does.

Either way, they showed us a video of the battle system that they pretty much said "Well, this is what we have, this probably isn't what its going to be though". And no word has been released on jobs. All of this after 9 months. Yeah, you're right. I'm in the wrong.

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You payed 70$ and could play for 9month for free and you only play 20$ i can see how you feel that you did not get what you payed for but really? you could have got all 50 by now and then wait for the game to get good and when you return you have shit load to do due to having everything 50 and shit load of gil.

So really i don't see where you waste your money i mean everyone knew that from open beta this game would have not change much and be a fail if you want to waste the money on CE then you did not a waste of money seeing how this game going to become great but seeing how you only waste 20hours and bet you don't even have 1 50 you going to enjoy the game even less due to everything being rank 35+ :(

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Originally Posted by Richard

it will get faster. SQEX doesn't want the focus to be on leveling anymore. Much like GW2 who they are going to have to compete with, sideways character progression is where they're gonna focus. Which is awesome :D

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Hell to the yeah.

Also GW2 looks awesome, may have to split my time between this and that if this game shapes up by GW2's release.