People sacrifice good gear for "fashion"

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

All I'm saying is that if one player in my party is complaining about another player's gear, guess who's getting kicked? It's not the one getting complained about, I'll tell you that for sure. Stuff like that makes the party no fun, and that's my goal, to have fun.

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Winning! Life is all about having fun. Not being part of a regimented virtual borefest! Kudos to the warrior of fun, Molly Millions.

Some people just have a great lack of respect for other people and their choices. People can and should be able to wear what they like, no questions asked. Of course staying within rank range is a good idea, but no one should be forced to follow anyone else's personal rules.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

There a lots of people who do things to look better even if it brings them discomfort. Look at women and things like Highheels, corsets, waxing, shaving, etc.

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And the most uncomfortable... bras. XD

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Originally Posted by Nabiri

Some people just have a great lack of respect for other people and their choices. People can and should be able to wear what they like, no questions asked. Of course staying within rank range is a good idea, but no one should be forced to follow anyone else's personal rules.



And the most uncomfortable... bras. XD

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But Bras are so cute. Thus ends the thread.

I think it is selfish to ask someone to play a game in a way that YOU like and they don't. I think sometimes people forget that it is a game and meant to be enjoyed. Respect others and they'll respect you. Tell others how to play and they're probably not gonna like you too much. :3

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

But Bras are so cute. Thus ends the thread.

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lol, alright you have a point. X3

Bras are efficient. They get the job done optimally. Wait... hands would do a better job than a bra.

This is a benign occurence, really it is. It's not an insistance to be gimp or an excuse or anything like in XI. Wear what looks good, because the stats don't matter is what they're pretty much joking.

I'm happy that at least the population knows stats don't do anything when they don't do anything. In FFXI, people held stats in too high an esteem for what they actually did. It's almost better to slowly crank up the value of stats as opposed to start them off brutal, so the entire game isn't indoctrinated with this whole NNNNNGAHHHHH STATS mentality.

Now the B-type personalities run the game and the STAAAAAAAAATS people don't have as much of a position to dictate what's acceptable.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

Like ffxi endgame, if you decided your not in the mood to go your labled selfish. Why should someone dictate what I can or can't do on my time in a game i play just for enjoyment? The real selfish people are the ones to take it upon themselves to act like the game police. That you have to follow these "rules" or else. And if you do not, you are labled as rude, selfish, gimp, bad etc.

Stuff like this lead to cookie cutting which make playing mmo boring.

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Setting aside the argument over courtesy there is some truth to the idea that XI endgame was run like a workplace, and not an entertainment. This made people lots of people stop attending. I think people should be satisfied with rules that give greater rewards to those who attend regularly, and not beat up players who do endgame casually.

I know a guy with all jobs at 90 in XI but his gear was poor, and someone posted about it on FFXIAH. Aside from making a guy feel like he'd been /slaped I don't know that that post accomplished other than to make the poster feel good about himself for picking on someone.

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Originally Posted by Meridian

Everyone knows it's all about how you look in MMOs!

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I'd argue its all about social status. Ones clothing has always been tied to social status, but so are job, car, house and spouse. At this point we have no chocobo's, no mog houses, no in game weddings, and most of the people who have played from the start have at least one rank 50 job. That pretty much leaves clothes. Hopefully by the PS3 launch we will have a mount system, and maybe even housing.

I've tanked NMs on GLA in a coatee before just for fun and we won just as easily as when I was in full tank gear lol. I agree with the other 9 pages of responses--gear in this game does not mean that much at all, and if someone doesn't want to wear the exact same set as every other CON, THM, LNC, whatever, then why get down on them for it? That's just as bad, IMO, as those people who rushed to spend all their gil in September on haubergeons and stomped around in them at R10 pretending to be elite.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

All I'm saying is that if one player in my party is complaining about another player's gear, guess who's getting kicked? It's not the one getting complained about, I'll tell you that for sure. Stuff like that makes the party no fun, and that's my goal, to have fun.

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What is this blasphemy? Fun? In MY MMO?!? WTH! :O

Good Gear is the gear that looks good on you.

I am all for wear-what-you-like! Though I get why over-ranked gear is silly and a bit amateurish. But if I can take down a hippogriff mob in my slick coatee ensemble, then STFU and enjoy the show!

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Wait... hands would do a better job than a bra.

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except they'd get sweaty. try baby powder

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Good Gear is the gear that looks good on you.

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Amen!

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Originally Posted by charliesheen

I've not read all of your posts, so I can't make a definitive judgement. But from your original post, it seems you were implying that if people wear any gear that isn't the best, or optimal as gear nazis like to call it to cover up their single track minds, it was a terrible choice and it shouldn't be allowed.

Now you wonder why you were getting aggressive replies, and to boot you are calling other people trolls. You Sir, are the real troll. When you go around telling people what they should be allowed to do and what they shouldn't be allowed to do... in your world of fabricated rules designed for people with no mind of their own! Ah yes, this is the real issue. Why are there people who feel like we should all follow an unwritten rule book when we play an MMO? Hmmm? Now that is a truly good question!

It reminds me of something. Something that should be close to the hearts of many players. What do the 'normal' people in society say about your geek habits and hobbies? They tell you it's not 'normal' and it's no good, right? That you are a loser in life. And you get angry about that, don't you? You say they just don't understand that it's what you enjoy. Then what do you do?

You go in-game and act the exact same way to players who don't wear what's considered the best gear!!!! The Irony!

#winning

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Wow I must say that right there is why most people hate this forums. The fact that you try to create further antagonism in an attempt to display peace and reason is rediculous. You must have had a lot of anger when you wrote that because about 90% of that was based on assumption and harsh reasoning. If you really have the indecency to go so far as to make paragraphs diatribing what I've said in attempting to state that I'm NOT utilizing a tone people think I am then I'm sorry to say that you seem just as pathetic as you've made me out to be. It's ironic because you sound exactly like the little geek you so delicately explained, getting in rage mode and attacking someone he doesn't even know just because he thinks OP is being a little nazi. Be constructive, not an a-hole.

A subligar is always a good piece of gear
period

you cant stop me from wearing my subligar

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you cant stop me from wearing my subligar

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nor would i try!

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

I'll just say this, if you're paying more attention to my gear than your own role in the party, I don't want you in my group to begin with.

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ok....so apparently party roles don't matter and it's ok for other people to be underwhelming in a group. People should earn their high ranking gear rather than wear it early to look super epic coolness. There's no merit in being a higher rank anymore. Everyone argues "gtfo man Imma wear what I want" but really that's not the issue now at this point of the argument. The issue lies in the fact that you're playing an MMO with other people and you're not the only one in the whole server so at least when you're in a group you should wear rank appropriate gear. If you're not in a group with people then do w/e the hell you want. That's the main point.

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Originally Posted by Molly_Millions

All I'm saying is that if one player in my party is complaining about another player's gear, guess who's getting kicked? It's not the one getting complained about, I'll tell you that for sure. Stuff like that makes the party no fun, and that's my goal, to have fun.

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Yeah and some people like to play the game the best way possible. I hardly see how that bodes any less self centered and immature to kick someone just because they urge someone to gear up better. Besides you're assuming they're a jerk about it and not polite. If you kicked someone just because of that I wouldn't want you as my leader.

How about just worrying about if the party members are performing their role 'sufficiently'?

If they get the job done... who cares about anything else? There's no bonus for overkills, no added benefit to fast kills, and basically no concerns in combat other then that the enemy dies and you don't.

So as long as your people aren't dieing, just worry about yourself, and have fun :).

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Originally Posted by Ventus

Something I don't really understand is the growing desire people have to looks "fashionable" rather than have better gear. It's pretty shocking how many people just tell me "I'm wearing this because it looks better" even though they are well aware of gear being better for them that doesn't look so stellar >.<. Stuff like this can really make a party suffer and it's quite selfish so I ask why? Why is this allowed? Anyone else relate? :(

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I'm thankful for this craziness. I agree that it is annoying, however it's less annoying than everyone wearing the exact same gear. Solution to problem: make dyes that can color gear after it's made, or take stats off gear and make it materia-only.

I agree with Ventus on this, but only if its actually affecting your battle. If the mage-in-platemail keeps everyone healed and happy, whats the problem exactly? If s/he keeps getting agro'ed and dying, then yes, put on a freaking robe and shield already and quit preening in the mirror! As far as i can see the goal of battle, beyond fun, is victory. So i see what you're saying with this, but I think, and please understand i'm not trying to instigate anything with you here Ventus, that what you are saying sounds a bit territorial. You sound like you want to show your status (via high lvl gear) and resent it when ppl display the same status symbols without the assets or history to back it up, which i totally understand! tell me if im wrong, dont mean to mis-represent you. i just feel that ultimately: job performance > job uniform. though i suppose you might feel that job uniform has a direct effect on job performance, beyond player's focus/skillsets?

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Originally Posted by Akubikumo

I agree with Ventus on this, but only if its actually affecting your battle. If the mage-in-platemail keeps everyone healed and happy, whats the problem exactly? If s/he keeps getting agro'ed and dying, then yes, put on a freaking robe and shield already and quit preening in the mirror! As far as i can see the goal of battle, beyond fun, is victory. So i see what you're saying with this, but I think, and please understand i'm not trying to instigate anything with you here Ventus, that what you are saying sounds a bit territorial. You sound like you want to show your status (via high lvl gear) and resent it when ppl display the same status symbols without the assets or history to back it up, which i totally understand! tell me if im wrong, dont mean to mis-represent you. i just feel that ultimately: job performance > job uniform. though i suppose you might feel that job uniform has a direct effect on job performance, beyond player's focus/skillsets?

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All i have to say is thank you for a constructive response. That is all I asked for.

normally i choose best equip..but there are thing that my PG can't wear.

For example in FFXI on my elvaan-M i really hate subligar..

subligar that i use on mi'quote

this is character design.

In GW i can't stand the horrible design of warrior that have bad looking armor and a bull type costitution that can't be changed.

A lot of time a set of armor is simply too horrible to wear without ruin a character look,

Once I tried on the Nighthawk Visor nothing else matters. I want to be Robin damnit!

I wear what I think looks appropriate for my character then make adjustments based on stats where I can, end of'. You have a problem with me doing that, sod off and party with someone else; preferably another wants to cry over people not wanting to look like a bunch of failed clowns and copies of each other.

I swear, this game's playerbase is unbelievable sometimes; you've got people simultaneously shrieking over how stupid repeated terrain elements look, and at the same time bawling over other people not wanting to wear the same thing as everyone else or wear things they think look stupid. Why people can't just leave others alone to play their way, I'll never know.

That said, I mostly wear class and rank-compatible gear anyway 'cause I tend to come up with character looks with their combat styles in mind from the start. .. Except for the wandering duelist Lalafell in the green robe and steepled hat, at least (not Forra, he practically lives in that acton >.>).

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Originally Posted by Ventus

Stuff like this can really make a party suffer and it's quite selfish so I ask why? Why is this allowed? Anyone else relate? :(

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Then don't party with me, and I won't be offended, because if your primary concern is how *my* gear may hinder *your* progress, I'd be just as happy taking finding a new group of like-minded individuals to play with (isn't that how you're supposed to do it anyway?).

As it is, I mostly solo or play with a tight-knit group of friends. So why not let me play how I like? If I want to play dress-up, so what? Maybe that's why SE allowed it, to give people more options to get what they want out of the game, rather than tailoring it to exactly what Ventus wants so his personal parties don't suffer?

Of course, I'll concede a "wardrobe" option would give everyone what they want, and I'd fully support that over a limited, one way only system! : D

/examineself

Fashion Matters! :D

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Originally Posted by charliesheen

Bras are efficient. They get the job done optimally. Wait... hands would do a better job than a bra.

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Abracada Bra

Lol, then I should mention that I've always chosen fashion over stats whenever it came to general gameplay since the Vana'diel years. If people have a problem with it then, well, that is their choice of opinion. If I can't look good while doing things I want then it takes from the fun and leaves me with another chore.

When and where the stats make the difference or show the most promise is when I will switch my sets to appropriate the situation (i.e. Sea, Sky, NM's etc.) Lucky for me though I play the healer, so my experience has taught me that 0% of people care what gear I choose to wear during any event (I could probably get away with being naked :3 )

I suppose I would be one of those people that prefer appearance rather than stats. Of course I choose pieces that are actually around my range though, in this case, rank. I'm not going to equip something that provides little benefit to me or my party. That being said, top gear has never interested me and I find the benefits to be exaggerated. Some people seem to think if I'm not wearing certain gear, there's no point in even fighting because I'm suddenly deemed useless. I think everyone can agree there's more to it than just stats, such as skill. On a lighter note, it's depressing to be in a party and you look at the other members and everyone is wearing the same thing. I also do not find pirates attractive.

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Originally Posted by Ventus

Wow I must say that right there is why most people hate this forums. The fact that you try to create further antagonism in an attempt to display peace and reason is rediculous. You must have had a lot of anger when you wrote that because about 90% of that was based on assumption and harsh reasoning. If you really have the indecency to go so far as to make paragraphs diatribing what I've said in attempting to state that I'm NOT utilizing a tone people think I am then I'm sorry to say that you seem just as pathetic as you've made me out to be. It's ironic because you sound exactly like the little geek you so delicately explained, getting in rage mode and attacking someone he doesn't even know just because he thinks OP is being a little nazi. Be constructive, not an a-hole.

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People can’t figure me out. They can’t process me. I don’t expect them to. I’m a grandiose life, and I’m embracing it. What’s the cure? Medicine? Come on... Come on! Nothing wrong with me. Maybe there is something wrong with you.

If people could just read behind the hieroglyphic. I was very clear and constructive in what I typed, as you requested. And since you can't seem to understand, let me spell it out for you.

- In your OP you specifically stated that you had an issue with people playing the game a certain way. In your own words "it's quite selfish so I ask why? Why is this allowed?". Perhaps you are absent minded, or just don't read what you type, but accusing people of being selfish for choosing their own path in a game... isn't that inflammatory?
- Due to the above point, you received replies which were aggressive. When you type something that has the possibility to offend people, you will receive aggressive replies. I can cite many examples of this or just point you to the entire history of mankind. You then proceeded to call such people trolls, and moaned about how they weren't giving you the constructive replies that you wanted.
-In the face of all this, I posted a very sarcastic and humoured reply. With a Sheen edge to it of course. Now I'm assuming by your apparent inability to recognise how your own words might make some people actually angry that you thought I was angry in some way when I typed that. If that is how you choose to perceive it, very well. Makes no difference to me.

In summary, not only do you want people to wear the gear that you think is the best way to play. You also want people to post replies the way you think is best. Charming. Magnificent.

I'll leave you with a thought... go look up the definition of 'play' in the dictionary and then think about how you've convoluted it with your opinions about how people should be playing this game.

Honestly I had 0-hat kirin osode, scop harness, leeping and bounding boots and tbh I never saw a difference. And Vent, I wasn't being anything you claimed, sorry if it came out like that. But honestly read your OP. You do come off as a pompus elitist. Gear stats are only meant to suppliment your character. It makes you no better or worse. I've done stuff is the worst gear in ffxi. Like duoing prime avatars in some cheap "gimpy" monk gear subbing dnc. Honestly look at stats on gear in ffxi, most was just +1 or +4 hughest was +10 on kirins. with minir +acc +att etc. Stats in ffxi was 2str= 1 attack point. etc. Oh and for my monk on the avatar fights i used that cloth style level 50 armor sam/nin/mnk used it had the + emt on it and that really it. And I used some crap h32h gear also. Skill in playing is most importent.

Like i said there really is no 1 epic set of gear for all. It goes into how you play or how you set your character up. Gear should never make you better your skill should.

Fashion isn't about being practical it's about looking fabulous while your feet are bleeding in designer shoes!

*Loosens a buckle of his Vivienne Westwood pirate boots to let the blood circulation flow a bit*

Silly people.

To add because I ran out of room. Just because you group up with others, mdon't mean a thing. "No one has any right to tell someone how they must pay. Want that right? Pay for their account. Then cut them off if they do not listen. When and if I pay for my account I'm playing how I choose. I'm here top have fun. But do not get me wrong I am respectful in parties. But I do not blindly follow orders from people. Working as a team is the most importent thing, and tbh gear doesn't effect teamwork. As long as the tank can tank, healer can heal and the supplimentary damage dealers do their thing in moderation to both tank and healer party will kill regardless of what gear players are waring. Gear should only keep ypu alive not make you epic, your level and skill at playing should. I try to keep my gear level updated. But sometimes that is not always possible. More so in player driven econamies. Currently on the servers I seen crafter do not make/sell lower level gear, or if they do its like 10-70K.

Most of the stats don't work. So yeh you might as well run around almost naked with star spangled subligar on and tank GB, The outcome would probably be the same with some one who has full templer on.

One thing I like about this game is that I'm not forced to run around with all the same gear as everyone else. That's what happens when gear is crucial, you have two choices, to wear the gear everyone else has or get nerfed as a result of wearing what you want. In FFXIV I can actually play my character and wear what is relevant to it. That being said I wear gear that is level appropriate, but I would still make a decision to always wear the gear that I enjoy over the gear I hate even if it has better stats.

Tell you the truth, for how much stats do not make a big difference in your performance, I could care less if I see a Gladiator in a Mage's robe. A lot of people want to look like Ezio Auditore. :)

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Can't we just suggest to create many fashionable but the stats will be remain the same? :P

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

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Can't we just suggest to create many fashionable but the stats will be remain the same? :P

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I made a suggestion as a new thread to use the materia system as a way to convert gear thats fashionable into function using the Materia system. So you could use something pretty with stats made for combat.

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Originally Posted by Ventus

Something I don't really understand is the growing desire people have to looks "fashionable" rather than have better gear. It's pretty shocking how many people just tell me "I'm wearing this because it looks better" even though they are well aware of gear being better for them that doesn't look so stellar >.<. Stuff like this can really make a party suffer and it's quite selfish so I ask why? Why is this allowed? Anyone else relate? :(

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Wow your parties must really suck if gear is making them suffer

Personally, and this is my 2c on the matter, I have not noticed much of a difference when I do or don't have optimum gear equipped for my classes. I do notice a difference with some spells occasionally, but nothing that I would consider to be proof that the stats are working correctly.

I levelled my THM to 34 without changing my gear at all ( was in full weathered ) and had no issues.

On the flip side though, I don't get this want to have fashion slots, it just seems really stupid to me. I don't moan in real life when I have to wear a raincoat in the rain, when I would prefer to wear shorts and a vest, or that I have to wear a jumper and jeans in the snow, instead of speedos and a mohito.

I really just don't get it. MMo's core mechanics revolve around improving your gear, and the pursuit of upgrades, so why people want to remain looking the same for the entire time baffles me, as you have just defeated the central purpose of the game.

I think you got it a bit wrong Vahzl, most of the time you'll see folks in gear for the wrong class or for ranks much higher than their own. Most people don't wear weathered gear for fashion.

Honestly it's too much of a pain for me to navigate the menus in the market wards to compare stats and find out what is the most optimal piece of gear for my class anyway. I can't sort by rank or class, or group items I can wear in one list, so by the time I go through all the menus to compare several items I've already forgotten the stats on them. Not to mention that I have to close out of the menu entirely if I want to check the stats on my equipped gear to see if what I'm looking at is an upgrade.

Rather than wasting my time keeping an extensive paper log of everything, I just buy what I think looks nice that can be worn by my class and not worry about the stats. Like everyone else said, gear doesn't matter in this game anyway.