Why is "Duty Roulette" a solo feature?

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Originally Posted by Skotie

Yeah I guess it baffles me because I understand I'm not living in another world I'm playing a game with other people, and if I didn't want to play with them I wouldn't be playing a game with other people.

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It's because you look at it as not a world, which it really is. It's like people that go out and do things alone in real life, there's no real difference. Some people enjoy this type of game, but they don't enjoy being forced into groups to do everything. Many of them also don't enjoy being looked down upon by people who refuse to understand their viewpoint because they refuse to look at something for what it is and not what they want it to be.

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Originally Posted by Skotie

I just think duty roulette as a solo feature is the wrong way to go about it in a game where this is one of the few cases where you ever honestly need to interact with other players. There are plenty of good reasons why people choose to form thier own groups with people they know or thier own friends. However they cannot get the rewards from it because SE wants them to group with the "solo person playing an MMO" mindset. Why not give the rewards while allowing groups to join or joining solo that way the guy who wants to play solo can get in a party with 3 other people who don't like playing with other people. People wouldn't make thier own groups if the people in DF were all so friendly.

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One of the issues you're ignoring or not even looking at is that not everyone has a posse of friends who will help them at a drop of a hat. DF is intended for those very situations. You got home from work early, and want to jump on and get something done. But, oh, none of your friends are on, and it might take a while to get a server group put together, in which time DF could very well have you in a group and on your way.

Also as Horo said, grouping with friends is indeed likely to be faster and more efficient than solo queuing for the roulette. The problem is, people see the reward and automatically think they're being punished or think they should get the reward too, but without fulfilling the conditions. It's an opportunity cost. Play with your group of friends and get dungeons done faster, which also has no limit per day. Or you can solo queue with the roulette and get a bonus reward, but the runs are likely to go slower as well since you will likely get newer players.

Again, key term here is "Opportunity Cost". You're not being punished, to think so is to play the victim when you aren't.

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Originally Posted by Skotie

Yeah I guess it baffles me because I understand I'm not living in another world I'm playing a game with other people, and if I didn't want to play with them I wouldn't be playing a game with other people.

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maybe they're used to playing games like monster hunter, vindictus, etc.

I just think duty roulette as a solo feature is the wrong way to go about it in a game where this is one of the few cases where you ever honestly need to interact with other players. There are plenty of good reasons why people choose to form thier own groups with people they know or thier own friends. However they cannot get the rewards from it because SE wants them to group with the "solo person playing an MMO" mindset. Why not give the rewards while allowing groups to join or joining solo that way the guy who wants to play solo can get in a party with 3 other people who don't like playing with other people. People wouldn't make thier own groups if the people in DF were all so friendly.

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Originally Posted by Skotie

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cuz they wanna spread out the experienced players instead of clumping them up. duty roulette was also created because a lot of people are stuck at less popular instances. mainly storyline instances. so its pretty much 3 noobies to every 1 experienced instead of the other way around. (for the mid-low tier dungeons and higher end story dungeons) i used to be in a couple of pretty big fc's where there are always calls for low level dungeons from new guys. not that many people answer them due to effort/reward mentality. this kinda solves it.

so long story short. duty roulette was made to help the new guys first, solo players second, and not partial premades.

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Originally Posted by Skotie

However they cannot get the rewards from it because SE wants them to group with the "solo person playing an MMO" mindset. Why not give the rewards while allowing groups to join or joining solo that way the guy who wants to play solo can get in a party with 3 other people who don't like playing with other people. People wouldn't make thier own groups if the people in DF were all so friendly.

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You're making quite a few assumptions here:

1. People who use duty finder like to play solo (I don't: I use duty finder in hopes of finding a random nice and interesting stranger).
2. People who group together get gimped on rewards (They're not: when you run in a group with friends, you're more efficient on average in terms of teamwork and will run faster).
3. Most people who use duty finder are unfriendly (They're not: most people using duty finder just wants to make friends, are more than happy to forgive mistakes, and are just not too good at talking to other people).

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Originally Posted by Axidrain

cuz they wanna spread out the experienced players instead of clumping them up. duty roulette was also created because a lot of people are stuck at less popular instances. mainly storyline instances. so its pretty much 3 noobies to every 1 experienced instead of the other way around. (for the mid-low tier dungeons and higher end story dungeons) i used to be in a couple of pretty big fc's where there are always calls for low level dungeons from new guys. not that many people answer them due to effort/reward mentality. this kinda solves it.

so long story short. duty roulette was made to help the new guys first, solo players second, and not partial premades.

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Hmm well I usually consider the people in my FC Guild whatever as friends. Needing a reward to run a dungeon with them would be like me charging my buddy a fee to come over and drink with me, I mean were playing a game together not fixing his car or something.

Heres the jist of it. Ya wanna play with your friends in premade groups spamming dungeons for tomes or xp, thats fine. You just aren't going to get a bonus. The bonus is an incentive to get out of your comfort zone and help others. Some, like myself, spend a lot of time solo because of my playtime being opposite if most of my friends in my fc. Its a good thing the way it is.

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Originally Posted by HoroBoro

You're making quite a few assumptions here:

1. People who use duty finder like to play solo (I don't: I use duty finder in hopes of finding a random nice and interesting stranger).
2. People who group together get gimped on rewards (They're not: when you run in a group with friends, you're more efficient on average in terms of teamwork and will run faster).
3. Most people who use duty finder are unfriendly (They're not: most people using duty finder just wants to make friends, are more than happy to forgive mistakes, and are just not too good at talking to other people).

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1. Not all of them but some do.
2. They complete dungeons faster yes but they aren't getting the bonus roulette offers.
3. Yes I know some of the people in DF are friendly, but only some, and some are complete jerks which is why I avoid it.

If I want to make friends I don't randomly run one dungeon with someone and never speak to them again.

This is an MMO, and everything that can be experienced, should be able to be experienced in party. Other MMO's offer daily rewards for random dungeon que's and do not limit a player to a solo experience in order to do so.

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Originally Posted by MarkisKyler

Heres the jist of it. Ya wanna play with your friends in premade groups spamming dungeons for tomes or xp, thats fine. You just aren't going to get a bonus. The bonus is an incentive to get out of your comfort zone and help others. Some, like myself, spend a lot of time solo because of my playtime being opposite if most of my friends in my fc. Its a good thing the way it is.

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No, the reason for the bonus is to actually give players a reason to start running dungeons and other duty finder content again.

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Originally Posted by Draco

This is an MMO, and everything that can be experienced, should be able to be experienced in party. Other MMO's offer daily rewards for random dungeon que's and do not limit a player to a solo experience in order to do so.

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Finally, someone who gets it; this is the gist of the problem.

then we will have the problem of people stuck on low level story quests all over again :3 its simple really. if more high level people 3 man df it, less lower level players will get the chance to get in one. now this is the core purpose of DR. how many times do we DR anyway? 5 times tops yeah? so thats 5 guys u helped clear their story quests with instead of 15.

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Originally Posted by Draco

No, the reason for the bonus is to actually give players a reason to start running dungeons and other duty finder content again.

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Running other content isn't helping anyone but yourselves if you do it with the same people over and over. I stick by my reason for the bonus. Its so you jump in solo to help others.

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Originally Posted by Taekrys

I've been playing MMOs for years with the same pattern: me and one or more than my friends, grouped together, making a party.--snip --

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Maybe let the people that you group with know that you would like to do more content with them instead of splitting up? Also you mentioned FC housing. Perhaps I misunderstood what you were referring to but FC housing is/was intended to be a group activity, the housing shared among the people in the FC complete with the ability to share the different feature content per the FC master's permission settings. Purely solo housing has not yet been implemented.

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Originally Posted by MarkisKyler

Running other content isn't helping anyone but yourselves if you do it with the same people over and over. I stick by my reason for the bonus. Its so you jump in solo to help others.

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Even if you are correct, I pay a monthly subscription to play this game. I should be able to experience the game the way I want to play it. If I want to play with my friends, that is my prerogative. However, if my friends have all gone to sleep, it is still nice to have a system available that I can que solo, and be grouped with other players. THIS is why people play MMO's, to experience a fantasy world through the eyes of the player the way THEY want to experience it, not the way they are told to experience it. For that, I can just play regular games.

Why you don't queue normal with your friends? It's not like after duty rulette you are unable to form a party and use DF.
Ohhhhh I see you want the bonus, this bonus gained helping newbies but you want it without help anyone but yourself mmmm hoping that you never have luck with that

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Originally Posted by Draco

Even if you are correct, I pay a monthly subscription to play this game. I should be able to experience the game the way I want to play it. If I want to play with my friends, that is my prerogative. However, if my friends have all gone to sleep, it is still nice to have a system available that I can que solo, and be grouped with other players. THIS is why people play MMO's, to experience a fantasy world through the eyes of the player the way THEY want to experience it, not the way they are told to experience it. For that, I can just play regular games.

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Rewarding certain behavior doesn't make other functions impossible. YOu can run whatever you want with whoever you want. You are just being bribed to play with people you don't know. That's it.

I can't cap my weekly myths by JUST using the roulette... I get the bonus once a day, then I need to run regular dungeons in groups with other people to cap. The roulette has done nothing to pull my FC apart. We still queue up together for tomes, dungeons, ect. Maybe you just need to ask people to play with you more often. Even when I'm capped on myth for the week, I'll still run things with other people... Cause lack of selfish.

Every feature in the game is not going to be party friendly. Nor are you obligated to use every feature in the game. I will likely NEVER pvp again. I don't now, nor have I ever liked pvp. But I'm not going to demand that pvp be changed to accommodate the way I like to play MMOs. I just won't bother putting any effort into using that feature.

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Originally Posted by amnie

Taekrys, you DO realise you can still join a specific dungeon in a group, don't you? the duty roulette's SOLE PURPOSE was that people get a shorter queue. so OBVIOUSLY 'the solo players' (lol??) are the ones happy to benefit from this. it was .made.for.them.

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Actually it was made because it's normal for MMOs to offer bonus rewards for randomizing a dungeon queue a day.

Other MMOs do just fine with allowing a premade group of friends queue for random dungeons. You can also actually speak to people on your server, as well as view friend and guild lists, when inside a dungeon.

SE is still new at managing a modern day MMO, so it will likely take them some time to get this right. If they ever do at all.

And no, people who want to quickly get a random dungeon done solo aren't "screwed" in any way, as someone put it. It's in no way a valid excuse.

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Originally Posted by Pines

Finally, someone who gets it; this is the gist of the problem.

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I still want to know what exactly is solo about doing party content.


@meimei but that's another issue, and one I absolutely agree with too. in fact it's one of the biggest annoyances I have with this game right now

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Originally Posted by amnie

I still want to know what exactly is solo about doing party content.

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solo as in u only participate in the game content without being socially affiliated to any individual/s in the game. i think i saw one of these guys in here post a thread about how to block people from inviting them to an fc cuz he just wants to play alone lol. all kinds of people in this world

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Originally Posted by Axidrain

solo as in u only participate in the game content without being socially affiliated to any individual/s in the game. i think i saw one of these guys in here post a thread about how to block people from inviting them to an fc cuz he just wants to play alone lol. all kinds of people in this world

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That's not quite fair. I'm guessing you're in a Free Company/have been for a while? I still remember the days before my friends and I established our Free Company, when I would just get random invites just from walking around. No one spoke to me, they just sent an invite.

One night was particularly bad, because another player literally ran around Drybone inviting everyone to his Free Company. And when you declined, he'd just invite you again. I can see wanting to block incoming FC invitations based upon that experience.

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Originally Posted by FMElan

That's not quite fair. I'm guessing you're in a Free Company/have been for a while? I still remember the days before my friends and I established our Free Company, when I would just get random invites just from walking around. No one spoke to me, they just sent an invite.

One night was particularly bad, because another player literally ran around Drybone inviting everyone to his Free Company. And when you declined, he'd just invite you again. I can see wanting to block incoming FC invitations based upon that experience.

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haha!! u have a point there. cant argue with that

A single bullet goes into a single chamber. Roullette baby, there isnt 2 balls when you gamble.

Tome, gil, seal rewards should only go to the players whose role the roulette asks for.

It doesnt ask for anything, it tells you what would receive a "bonus" because it is low in qeue at the time. It does change according to what is lacking. Which helps motivate those jobs to attend.