Your killing the crafters off why?

they have already stated that crafting is only there for filler gear, nothing else. the do not want crafting to be a huge money maker and they never will. only reason i leveled almost all crafters is so that i could meld, craft filler gear for my DOM/W classes, and gear for my FC/Friends. I knew full well that crafting would never make money. come 2.2 it will start to then die off when everyone has their coil gear. so unless the new gear is going to be BiS for some classes. you wont be making any money anytime soon.

They need to improve the system so that:
1. People can put up crafting requests from materials in their inventory. Crafter never possesses them at any time.
2. With #1 in place, add rare/ex materials that drop from high level dungeons.

Then...all will be good. (while crafters laugh at dungeoneers bitching)

That seems completely counter-intuitive and stupid to me.

If they're deliberately making crafting not worth it, why even include it in the game? Why make it a thing and then purposefully make it crap?

crafting are worth only for achievements and their storyline + cutscenes!

Crafting HQ food that gives good buffs will always make money on games like this

I, too, feel that crafting gets pretty useless the closer you get to level 50.

While it's understandable that having awesome gear from dungeons is necessary, it doesn't mean that crafted gear should be locked out from being as potent.

It requires only one thing: materia are to improve the item level.

For example, to get a piece of armor of iLvl 90, I could either complete dungeons a number of times until I get the drop or collect mytho until I can afford it.

Or, the crafting way, you craft a piece of armor that is iLvl 80 (for example) then affix 5 materia to reach iLvl 90.
Due to the difficulty of the initial craft and the high failure rate of affixing 5 materia, actually achieving iLvl 90 with a crafter would take more time but would be rewarded with a slightly more customized set of stats (+vit, +critical, +str, ...)

I really hope the devs put their mind to it because crafting is nice and an integral part of the game.

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Originally Posted by Calyanare

Someone who was a fan of this game only because they could sell crafted gear on the market for 5mil wasn't really a fan in the first place. If they like playing crafting/market simulators, there are plenty of other MMOs that accommodate that playstyle, but this was never intended to be one of them. If it was, they wouldn't allow one character to level all of the crafting professions, would have had cross-server economies, etc.

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That is a complete assumption and no where near accurate to what the OP said. I , personaly, have learned that relying on dungeon drops is not a very reliabel way to gear myself up. Also i like crafting , i like to be able to help other ppl in my FC. I also like to be able make gear for any alts i might have. As it is now, crafters are getting completly shafted. If what you say is true. Then crafting should never have been in the game in the first place if it was intended to be irrelevant

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Originally Posted by Penguinmayhem

That seems completely counter-intuitive and stupid to me.

If they're deliberately making crafting not worth it, why even include it in the game? Why make it a thing and then purposefully make it crap?

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THIS. Just because it's what they intended doesn't mean it's not stupid.

Most players just do not know that melded HQ Craft Gear is better than Darklight. What crafters need to do is advertise the quality of their wares.

Currently there are only 3(Myth tomes, Allagan and CT) major sources of crafted armor better than HQ Crafts and those 3 sources are currently limited to at most 1 piece each per week. Crafted Accessories may be superior to any of the currently available Primal/Allagan Accessories if properly melded. Only weapons could be considered to have a problem and all of the Relic in the game already require crafter participation to craft.

Once i80 to i90 crafts are added there should be an upswing in the markets.

>implying the devs will ever let crafted gear be better than RNG dungeon drops

How to make money? sell i70 crafted gear? well lets look at that, most ppl who have attained the gil to afford them have attained the tomes to buy DL sets(nother bad model since players farmin they myth inheritly farm they alts psy tomes), sell crafting gear! that's the ticket the experienced can sell to the up and coming crafters with the allure of making money, only problem is once they hit 50 in most DoH now theres 2 generations selling to the next, and after that 3,than 4, than 5 generations, and with the MB's the way they are(broken) especially after they put the crafters name on gear, you have sellers monitoring other sellers locations, and worse cutting each others throats on pricing since theres no penalty for listed and item and taking it down hundred times

Honestly they only need to do one big thing to create a demand for crafted gear:

Make it so we can attach materia to any equipment, including those who don't have materia slots. Keep the rules however: items without materia slots would behave as items with all slots full in that there would not be a 100% chance of success.

This will create a huge draw for materia, which creates a huge draw for gear that transforms into that materia. Even higher draw since there is a chance of fail during meld.
It would also give a use for materia we would otherwise never meld such as elemental resistance materia...

And if they want to create a demand for HQ gear, make it so that HQ gear has a certain chance of transforming into materia one tier higher than usual.

Oh oh, and make it so meld chance actually gets better if you have good crafter gear....

FF14 needs more in the market for things other than the upper-class and well-to-do FCs. Furniture is a good idea, but the housing market is way too pricey for it to be an effective booster to the economy where you want everyone to spend their gil. And, not just the wealthy. The flow of player gil is too slow!

We could also use higher wages. Down with Bot-Mart!!!

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I don't really see this revolutionizing the market demand for materia, honestly. You're still running into the same problem of needing to generate lots of materia and the underlying huge crippling flaw in the item stat system that prevents materia from really being remotely as useful as they could be.

If they just remove item stat limits, materia and crafted gear would actually be worth buying.

They didn't have a stable base of code much less any coherent plans for the future in those older versions. These people have to actually code what they dream up.

They were wildly overbudget, undermanned, and the general outlook of the game at that time was 'what the fuck are we doing none of this is working out like we intended'.

Someone smart said if you follow through with these plans you will sink our company. We need to make this game profitable, semi-casual even, because if we don't, and by chance if we fail, our whole company will fail. Then these little tween buggers won't get any FF at all ever again.

SO.... the poor crafters got the shaft ATM to stabilize the foundation while they think things through a bit.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIVE YOUR REAL LIFE IN THIS GAME. YOU CAN COME BACK LATER. IT'S OKAY TO PLAY OTHER GAMES.

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Originally Posted by lilwayne

How to make money? sell i70 crafted gear? well lets look at that, most ppl who have attained the gil to afford them have attained the tomes to buy DL sets(nother bad model since players farmin they myth inheritly farm they alts psy tomes), sell crafting gear! that's the ticket the experienced can sell to the up and coming crafters with the allure of making money, only problem is once they hit 50 in most DoH now theres 2 generations selling to the next, and after that 3,than 4, than 5 generations, and with the MB's the way they are(broken) especially after they put the crafters name on gear, you have sellers monitoring other sellers locations, and worse cutting each others throats on pricing since theres no penalty for listed and item and taking it down hundred times

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What you said right there could makes sense..... that people should have a fee for listing. A small one sure. But it might be okay if it were worked out. I tend to see this economy in its infancy. People do need to chill out. We don't even have the first expansion yet. If things were like this at that point I could see some people being mad.

I guess for those that have been playing this every minute of their lives since beta....

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Originally Posted by DarkJack

Honestly they only need to do one big thing to create a demand for crafted gear:

Make it so we can attach materia to any equipment, including those who don't have materia slots. Keep the rules however: items without materia slots would behave as items with all slots full in that there would not be a 100% chance of success.

This will create a huge draw for materia, which creates a huge draw for gear that transforms into that materia. Even higher draw since there is a chance of fail during meld.
It would also give a use for materia we would otherwise never meld such as elemental resistance materia...

And if they want to create a demand for HQ gear, make it so that HQ gear has a certain chance of transforming into materia one tier higher than usual.

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Originally Posted by Penguinmayhem

If they just remove item stat limits, materia and crafted gear would actually be worth buying.

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Combine these two, 100% spot on, and also the ability to DYE Raid/AF Gear.

I would like them to expand on the concept of a new type of materia tier which boost a jobs ability or add enhancements to them. Add rare item drops which crafter's need to be able to attach materia for end gear to unlock/equip slot's not just str,vit etc. but cure potency +5% as example. I hate to a point of the vertical progress on gear we need some horizontal progression on the side and crafters should be the ones to provide it if we cannot be the source of top end gear. Instead of getting rid of that old gear for the fresh new gear have it where the crafters could fuse the old gear into the new version with certain rare item to give the new version a % buff to new gear.

Also I'm all being able to level all classes/job but add some different specialization options for level 50 crafter maybe depending on the elements its great being able to craft everything but if everyone are able to do this it also effect the economy negatively also. It gives incentive to use a different mule if you're really dedicated to crafting not everyone will do this but few will and I know this isn't a popular idea to all because people want be able to craft everything, but it has it downfalls also if everyone is able to do this as well.

To be honest, the current crafting system is boring. Most people don't make a serious effort to level crafts because regardless of how "easy" it is to level in terms of xp gained from a given item, questing is just more engaging, and end game dungeons will give the player equivalent rewards without having to go through the painful grind of leveling a craft from level 1. Also, "easy" here is a relative term. I personally think its hard to level a craft because of how boring and uninteresting it is.


What's in it for me as a disciple of war or magic?
- I get to level up, see the main scenario, and get cool new gear regularly as I do dungeons. Also, the class story quests can be interesting, along with the job quests. Oh yeah, and there is also some interesting potential in the cross class skill system for some variation in what I do.

What's in it for me if I play a disciple of the land or hand?
- I mostly make stuff I will not use and that has little monetary value. If I manage to reach level 50, I can potentially make some serious gil. There are no scenario quests for me, but I do get a class quest every 5 levels. The "encounters" consist of me either (a) using a harvesting tool on something and taking whatever I get (land) or (b) sitting in place creating one item at a time (hand).

Compare that to the encounter design for combat where we have a variety of boss fights and several different quest variants that require you to move around a zone, and its just no contest. Crafting and gathering are a boring non-game. They might as well go the route of SWTOR and let you send out minions to do stuff. Heck, they could make a whole minigame about controlling your minions as they craft and gather for you. That would at least allow for some encounter designs and make for an interesting mini game.

Crafting needs to be viewed as a kind of encounter and not just some mindless chore. If they do that, then they can start basing more of the game around it because the players will take it seriously.

I agree with those who say this crafting system is in its infancy. But what I worry about is that in interviews with Yoshi-P it seems he wants to create a boom bust cycle, that doesn't really effect me, but what it does effect is new crafters, and maybe people taking it slow. So I'm crafting 100% hq two stars, then new stuff releases, I'm already at the top to craft that, eventually this stuff is old and its not making money (the bust), they then plan to introduce more stuff and create a new boom. Many may be saying "this is just mmos", yes you are right, but a lot of mmos have found a few things that stay steady and profitable in the market no matter what, and ffxiv should create things like this. I believe crafters will get lots of new things eventually, but I don't know how it will REALLY affect the economy, like airships, and the ability to mass produce in your house.

I'd like to rehaul some things, like food, in general for mages, there is piety food and SS food, useless, just useless to me at endgame. Give food with real stats on it. Give awesome potions to alc, stuff like this, really create a better "edible goods" market.

On how to fix the gear/weapon/tool crafters, I'm really not sure yet, gear is so meaningless and given out like candy that this would take a massive rehaul that I don't know is worth it right now.

Basically just emulate Eve's economy, where 99.9% of stuff is player gathered/created/bought, while adding forced obsolence so that there is always a demand for more stuff (similar to how culinary and alchemy always have a market).

No more vendors selling stuff directly, aside from some lvl 1 starter crap. Factions sell plans for high level pre-raid gear, as well as a couple rare materials needed for said plans. Add the ability for buyers to place Buy orders, which sellers can opt to fill and sell instantly, OR they can post their goods as they do now if they want to name their own price and aren't in a hurry to sell something.

Instead of Eve's lose everything when you die, take Mabinogi's repairs have a chance of reducing permanently reducing durability, until the item is useless with repair vendors having the worst chance, while player repairers chance is based on their skill, but can never be lower 3% minimum chance of reducing maximum durability.

I seen someone post the idea about having DoH AF2 gear and only allowing a player to have that gear one craft. This is a very good idea, but I'd like to see that idea applied to the Luminary tools. Allow a player to decide on being able to quest/upgrade one single Luminary tool. Allow materia to be added to that tool or just flat-out make that tool iLVL 70ish to make the 3-4 star craftable items. Or, have it so there's dungeon gear drops that can have materia added to them that are already i80 or i90, but only crafters with the specified craft w/ the upgraded Luminary tool can meld the materia. I think that would really set some trades apart and would let the Crafters become somewhat more involved in what the dungeon crawlers are doing. RMT wouldn't be an issue except maybe materia sales. As for AF2 crafters gear, I don't see why to have it unless SE actually raises the level cap for all jobs to 60.

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Originally Posted by RocknRoll

I will elaborate for the simple people. It was not to make 5 million on the market but that there was a market that goods sell, because they are worth crafting.
You level a Goldsmith and you make rings and a neck to sell so you can make other things or not. But wait you can now run a new dungeon that awards rings and neck pieces that are better so I guess there is no market for your goods. I guess you could make an Armor-smith but wait there is no market there either. I was suggesting they fix this

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Plus you level up while doing those dungeons...
Sorry crafting needs to be better, especially if you are required to use components that are gained from only doing dungeons.

As it is now there is NO reward for effort. The amount of gil you get from selling has dropped to about zero except for selling stuff that isn't found in dungeons that is better. This is the crafting and gathering. For anyone who says otherwise really needs to look at what is selling because obviously your not looking at the market, probably because you have no need because you get better in dungeons. So STFU because you know nothing about what is going on.
As it is now the crafting and gathering system is in a spiral down as more and more master crafters with level 50 in all crafting classes leave the equipment buying market. Soon it will be a purely materia based market.

Yea, it's tough to make money crafting, but there are always people looking for lower level gear and weapons, myself included.

Before I re-rolled I was a LV 30 WVR and made almost 100,000 Gil from selling lower level HQ gear. IMO that's not terrible, could be better yea, but it was a good way to make Gil.

I think the main problem is that people are jacking up prices for most gear, making people seek out stuff from vendors instead...

didn't read every one of them but I see a lot of good ideas in this thread. that being said let me tell you what I think is really going to happen in 2.2 to make crafters relevant.

1. mythtome cap will be removed
2. mythtome crafting items similar to philotome crafting items(peacock ore, coke, etc.)
3. ilvl 90 crafted gear recipes.
4. raised ilvl gear drops T6+, leviathan x(100-110)
5. everybody who wants to be happy will remain so... everyone who likes to complain all day will continue to do so.