SE Censoring Emote ability due to select few is not the answer.

I have yet to find anyone in my city I play with...
People will use emotes for sexual things, this is nothing new. It's not about policing people on the internet, it should be about educating the public. It may no tbe SE job to educate, that falls on to parenting and/or friends. Educate kids in the old school tradition...my mom taught me growing up to never talk to strangers.

In this day and age, I would tell my kids it's important to not give people you don't know information about you. Don't talk to strangers, don't think that everyone on the internet is out to be your friend. If any parent is actually following the ratings system of this game then your kid would be 13 and as a result I am 100% sure they can handle what you're going to tell them.

It might not be SE's task to nanny this big and mature community, but it's in their biggest interest to make a difference between something subtle and something explicit. We might find references and analogies about sex and other delicate subjects, but they're not explicit and rubbed on your face with images. We have underage people playing FF14 and while SE can't control what those people browse they can keep them from doing more "graphic" acts in the game (SE seems to not give a damn about what ppl already do, but it might be one of the cases of "I don't tell if you don't, so enjoy"). One thing is you mention sex around an underage (it happens), another is your selling /showing it to them. I think SE save themselves from much more trouble by "censoring" and have all those freedom thirsty mature people crying about in the forums than keep it in game.

Seriously SE you're game makers, not the morale police. Who gives a flying f**k if some people take some daft screenshots for the shits?

I'd have a look at them, prob have a chuckle if they were good and promptly forget all about it....

Whats the big problem?

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Originally Posted by Imapooonu

I think the only ones complaining about being treated like a kid are kids and the rest of the adult world couldn't care less about this thread, either side of the argument, or people who pretend to have vidsex.

So they wanna have emoteacourse....who cares?

SE got rid of an emote....who cares?

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Clearly many care. Please do not demean people who think differently from you.

This has nothing to do with wanting to do "dirty" things with an emote and everything to do with opposing an absurd, utterly pointless restriction on content. As a roleplayer, there are many scenes in which a laying down emote could provide significant immersion, such as relaxing on a beach or elsewhere, or when you need to RP someone who is wounded or ill or whathaveyou.

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Originally Posted by Deifact

I think its just another example of SE short sightedness & laziness. They probably didn't think people would want the /doze animation to apply outside of fc housing, but they could have just asked us (which SE will never learn to actually ask what people paying for their product want) and now people are dissatisfied they make up a lame excuse to avoid doing the work.

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I honestly can't imagine how it could ever occur to an MMO dev that players would not want access to an emote anywhere in the game world. This is just... standard stuff. I honestly can't think of a single MMO I've played that restricted emotes in such a way.

SE has not a single good argument as to limit this emote and thats because what they want to prevent already exist in the game using other kinds of emotes.

Also the original statement was that they limited it to prevent "inapropriate screenshots" which you wouldnt be looking at unless you went onto the internet which is not related to the game itself anyway.

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Originally Posted by LiadansWhisper

You mean the hooker in Costa del Sol who specifically says that she charges by the hour, and that she's been paid for by the Lalafell guy who runs Costa to service the Roe down at the Hidden Falls area?

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have you ever seen japan?

she probably gets paid to cuddle with him :|

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Originally Posted by Delorean

have you ever seen japan?

she probably gets paid to cuddle with him :|

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"Cuddling" is not the only thing that goes on in those establishments.

I think this is silly coming from a company who uses sex to sell and promote its games quite frequently. They create female characters with skimpy outfits all the time and increased Lightning's breast size for the upcoming Lightning Returns game.

FFXIV has quite a bit of sexual innuendo and even a quest (or was it a fate) where you escort a woman for some rich guy to pleasure his potential male client. As they walk into the tiny shack on the beach she says, "no need to rush. We have all night."

Here is the emote:
http://cdn2.dualshockers.com/wp-cont...13/12/doze.jpg

The only way to make that sexual is to do a /sit in front of the character. I guess some people might find that offensive but again this is a game with sexual dialogue and the quest I mentioned.

I really don't care about this but I guess the hypocrisy was a bit funny.

So...what is so bad about the new doze emote? I have only seen the female Miqo'te and male Lalafell ones (because those were shown on the dev blog) and there are much "worse" (lol) ones usable anywhere. Is the Hyur one overly suggestive or something..?

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Originally Posted by Devils_Lawyer

Also the original statement was that they limited it to prevent "inapropriate screenshots" which you wouldnt be looking at unless you went onto the internet which is not related to the game itself anyway.

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All this somehow reminds me of something Nintendo once did...

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Originally Posted by Elazu

So...what is so bad about the new doze emote? I have only seen the female Miqo'te and male Lalafell ones (because those were shown on the dev blog) and there are much "worse" (lol) ones usable anywhere. Is the Hyur one overly suggestive or something..?

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The Midlander one is just lying on your side with your head propped on one hand. It looks like you're dozing.

I don't understand how this is any different than the current emotes. Have you seen some of the screenshots people post? are they going to ban all emotes outside FC housing??? I hope not.

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Originally Posted by homunyan

I don't understand how this is any different than the current emotes. Have you seen some of the screenshots people post? are they going to ban all emotes outside FC housing??? I hope not.

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Don't give them any ideas.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

What was the point of this rant just because they said they were gay..? Good job.

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You understood the opposite I said.

You see, back in the old days when homosexuality was a real reason of discrimination, outing and pride made some sense.
Today, you find so many people out there ready to scream against homophobia, that being a homophobe is pratically a social suicide.
And being gay, today, is not more relevant than liking red over blue.
So, the reason of my answer, is that I hate those behavior, where a gay himself states his orientation like something crucial, even in discussions where it has zero relevance.

He said something like: "Think how bad would feel a 15y dude finding out that behind the pretending nice girl, is hiding a 30y male. And hey, I'm gay, so it's not an anti-gay argument."
And why would anyone think the latter???
He just wanted everybody to know he was gay, with an excuse. That's dumb.

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Originally Posted by Naunet

Clearly many care. Please do not demean people who think differently from you.

This has nothing to do with wanting to do "dirty" things with an emote and everything to do with opposing an absurd, utterly pointless restriction on content. As a roleplayer, there are many scenes in which a laying down emote could provide significant immersion, such as relaxing on a beach or elsewhere, or when you need to RP someone who is wounded or ill or whathaveyou.

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You have cause and no direction. Focus your energy on something meaningful. This is quite literally one of the most pointless things in the world right now (especially right now) to “stand for”. Ignore the things in the game that are broke and focus on something as trivial as this…makes zero sense.

This is one of the most pointless discussions I’ve ever seen in a video game forum.

No one cares about this.

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Originally Posted by Imapooonu

You have cause and no direction. Focus your energy on something meaningful. This is quite literally one of the most pointless things in the world right now (especially right now) to “stand for”. Ignore the things in the game that are broke and focus on something as trivial as this…makes zero sense.

This is one of the most pointless discussions I’ve ever seen in a video game forum.

No one cares about this.

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You heard it here first folks, Imapoonu officially speaks for everyone on this forum. Thread over, everyone go home.

/sarcasm

Restricting emotes based on what *some* people *might* use them for is absolutely nuts.

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Originally Posted by Imapooonu

You have cause and no direction. Focus your energy on something meaningful. This is quite literally one of the most pointless things in the world right now (especially right now) to “stand for”. Ignore the things in the game that are broke and focus on something as trivial as this…makes zero sense.

This is one of the most pointless discussions I’ve ever seen in a video game forum.

No one cares about this.

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You don't get to define who cares about what. There are people who care about this - or else this thread wouldn't exist. Therefore, someone does actually care.

If you have nothing better to do than to belittle and insult posters, please do that in another thread. This is borderline flaming and you need to stop.

You're welcome.

Now hopefully the energy you folks have for making a difference and voicing a need for change can be redirected towards issues more detrimental to ff14's gameplay.

Some of those examples would be: CT's loot system / issues in pvp / problems with the commendation system / minor bugs-glitches discovered in the 2.1 content / amongst several others / etcetera.

No one is saying that voicing concerns over censorship, standing up for certain freedoms, or even venting about something you think is ridiculous (like what I'm doing) is a bad thing. However, this argument is akin to arguing that the "blow kiss" emote is provocative and should be removed. Some things are just not worth arguing about, this is one of those things. I admire the passion in this argument, but I would admire it more if it were to be redirected towards some of the aforementioned issues.

Thanks in advance :)

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

It doesn't go on as much as you think - You get the occasional people try to but considering Balmung I assume is the RP server, of course you'll see that type of behavior there more.

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This emote would promote it much more for an obvious reason.

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This is a contradiction. If it can already be done but you don't see it often then why would adding one more make it happen even more. I have played many MMO where you can lay down ANYWHERE and I have never seen people trying to do inappropriate things. Yes I'm sure it happens but...

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It doesn't go on as much as you think

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I have a few hilarious and mildly inappropriate pics from 1.0 and ARR involving emotes. It already happens, letting people lay down isn't suddenly going to cause rampant perversion across all servers.

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Originally Posted by Shioban

If you type /doze near a bed you'll actually get a resting animation.
The devs were worried people might abuse this and do things inappropriately so they restricted it to FC housing.

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Fail. We dont have our FC housing yet - and wont for some time to come thanks to the absurd pricing. Way to exclude me further SE. Appreciate it.

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Originally Posted by Imapooonu

You're welcome.

Now hopefully the energy you folks have for making a difference and voicing a need for change can be redirected towards issues more detrimental to ff14's gameplay.

Some of those examples would be: CT's loot system / issues in pvp / problems with the commendation system / minor bugs-glitches discovered in the 2.1 content / amongst several others / etcetera.

No one is saying that voicing concerns over censorship, standing up for certain freedoms, or even venting about something you think is ridiculous (like what I'm doing) is a bad thing. However, this argument is akin to arguing that the "blow kiss" emote is provocative and should be removed. Some things are just not worth arguing about, this is one of those things. I admire the passion in this argument, but I would admire it more if it were to be redirected towards some of the aforementioned issues.

Thanks in advance :)

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Maybe the people in this thread don't care about those issues? People are allowed to care about what matters to them...right? I mean, you don't actually think you are the arbiter of what people can and cannot care about, do you? o_O

If this thread is bugging you so much, I advise you not to read it. Rolling up in here and effectively saying, "You all need to shut up because you're not talking about what I think you should talk about" just makes you look, well, silly.

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Originally Posted by LiadansWhisper

....snip....... just makes you look, well, silly.

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Ya, I'm the one who looks silly here lol.


You seem to not understand that telling someone they might not want to read a thread revolving around "freedom of choice" makes you a living contradiction to your own cause. People have the right to want this emote, others have a right to say the cause is ridiculous. That's exactly how freedom works.

Again, I admire the passion, but deplore the cause. Energy wasted imo.

They will also be removing 98% of the female armor sets already in game consisting basicly of variations of panties and bras so that not one takes suggestive screenshots of them. Seriously Square? You intentionally design a game FULL of provacative and at times near indecent clothing and then decide to draw the line at a stupid emote?

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Originally Posted by Imapooonu

Ya, I'm the one who looks silly here lol.


You seem to not understand that telling someone they might not want to read a thread revolving around "freedom of choice" makes you a living contradiction to your own cause. People have the right to want this emote, others have a right to say the cause is ridiculous. That's exactly how freedom works.

Again, I admire the passion, but deplore the cause. Energy wasted imo.

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You've said it was ridiculous. Thank you for your input. Please move on to somewhere else and stop telling people to shut up in this thread.

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Originally Posted by LiadansWhisper

You've said it was ridiculous. Thank you for your input. Please move on to somewhere else and stop telling people to shut up in this thread.

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Again, a living contradiction. Stop putting words in my mouth. It is ridiculous. I have rights. You're not the boss of me. I am free. Learn it, live it, love it.

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Originally Posted by Imapooonu

Ya, I'm the one who looks silly here lol.


You seem to not understand that telling someone they might not want to read a thread revolving around "freedom of choice" makes you a living contradiction to your own cause. People have the right to want this emote, others have a right to say the cause is ridiculous. That's exactly how freedom works.

Again, I admire the passion, but deplore the cause. Energy wasted imo.

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Freedom of speech is one thing.

Posting for the sake of bashing people for having different preferences then yourself only make you look silly.

But by all means, have fun "wasting your energy" on something you clearly dont care about.

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Originally Posted by Devils_Lawyer

Freedom of speech is one thing.

Posting for the sake of bashing people for having different preferences then yourself only make you look silly.

But by all means, have fun "wasting your energy" on something you clearly dont care about.

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Will do.

Also, what is a discussion without an opposing point of view? I get it, if you're not in agreement, then it's bashing. Great logic.

This is a ridiculous argument and there is nothing wrong with saying that. As a matter of fact, say this out loud....

"I'm mad because I can't use the lay down emote. SE is treating us like children."

Now read what I've said.

We all know they like censoring this game, nothing we say or do will stop them from making these choices.. there a bit anil over little petty things such as female characters having buts. What do you expect? lol

Oh no there doing funny things with the /doze emote.. lol give me a break who the heck cares why change it for such a dumb reason.

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Originally Posted by Imapooonu

Will do.

Also, what is a discussion without an opposing point of view? I get it, if you're not in agreement, then it's bashing. Great logic.

This is a ridiculous argument and there is nothing wrong with saying that. As a matter of fact, say this out loud....

"I'm mad because I can't use the lay down emote. SE is treating us like children."

Now read what I've said.

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Its not a discussion, its people that want SE to remove the limitation of said emote because their reasons for limiting it in the first place is wrong since what they are trying to prevent from happening already is with the existing emotes.

Your not discussing anything, you just said that this cause was ridiculous because according to YOU theres more important things to discuss.

And who said anything about beeing mad, people simply want a proper answer from SE that makes sense.

holy cow people are really fussy over an emote lol is it really that big of a deal that it warrants dev attention and a 12 page thread?

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Originally Posted by alhandra

holy cow people are really fussy over an emote lol is it really that big of a deal that it warrants dev attention and a 12 page thread?

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In its defence almost everything this game have to offer thus far has become a big deal one way or another.

Still its not the emote itself that is the big issue here, IMO its the fact that SE feels the need to babysit their players to keep them away from harmful things (using emotes to make porn i guess).

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Originally Posted by Devils_Lawyer

Still its not the emote itself that is the big issue here, IMO its the fact that SE feels the need to babysit their players to keep them away from harmful things (using emotes to make porn i guess).

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This. How many of the people in this thread would have actually used the emote? It feels like the majority is only balking because they are getting restricted, regardless of whether they would use it or not. (And yes, I understand that there are people who really do want to use the emote among the posters too).

Personally I don't really mind not being able to use it anywhere. I wasn't planning on sleeping on Ifrits tail anyway.

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Originally Posted by Devils_Lawyer

Its not a discussion, its people that want SE to remove the limitation of said emote because their reasons for limiting it in the first place is wrong since what they are trying to prevent from happening already is with the existing emotes. Your not discussing anything, you just said that this cause was ridiculous because according to YOU theres more important things to discuss. And who said anything about beeing mad, people simply want a proper answer from SE that makes sense.

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That's the thing. Saying there are more important things to discuss is fact, not opinion. Normally I don't speak in absolutes like that, but the current existing problems are infinitely more important than this particular subject matter. There is no way to say that server issues, mechanics, and several other issues take a back seat to this.

I'll say again, I think it's great that young people have pent up energy and feel a need to stand for certain personal freedoms. The world needs more of that. But this?!?!?!?! Personally, I don't like people telling me what to do. But some people here are treating this like SE is trying to take away your right to bear arms.

So all the while that SE is worrying about whether emotes can be used inappropriately, over at Zenimax ESO will start with virtually double the amount of emotes that FF14 ARR currently has. I bet one thing Zenimax wasn't doing, and that was sitting around trying to see if there was any provocative possibilities with each emote they are adding to the game.

In all the years I've played MMO's I have not actually seen the shenanigans occur in-game that SE seems to be so concerned about. It seems to me the only losers here are the players because now every new conceptual emote will go through the same process of restriction or elimination, sad really, especially for the RP'ers out there.

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Originally Posted by Azadross

So all the while that SE is worrying about whether emotes can be used inappropriately, over at Zenimax ESO will start with virtually double the amount of emotes that FF14 ARR currently has. I bet one thing Zenimax wasn't doing, and that was sitting around trying to see if there was any provocative possibilities with each emote they are adding to the game.

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Sounds like you'd be better off playing ESO, huh? Considering being paid to clearly advertise it :p

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It seems to me the only losers here are the players

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Indeed, the only ones who lose here are the players because of lack of content, lack of gear progression once you've hit that i90 mark and lack of incentive to go back more than once a day to help in previous content, or once a week if it's crystal tower.

....Oh you mean players lose because of an insignificant emote? Thought you meant something actually important.

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Originally Posted by Devils_Lawyer

People simply want a proper answer from SE that makes sense.

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Slightly out of context that I pull this statement out of the thread, and Devils_Lawyer, don't take it as a direct hit against you in particular... but I've seen multiple people say this exact statement both in the forums and verbally and I always chuckle.

Whatever the FFXIV team says in regards to particular things people are complaining about at the time, whether or not the explanation from the devs makes sense, if it's not what some people want to hear, they will still be angry in any case.

Personally, I don't believe there is a such thing as a "proper answer that makes sense" in the eyes of the devs and the players. It's likely why there are less answers than there are questions. People want what they want, no "answer" will suffice if it isn't "Ok, we'll do what you want".

I'm just gonna repeat what I said in the other thread, because the entire situation is lulzy as all hell.

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Originally Posted by LiadansWhisper

I hope you understand that this will not, in any way, prevent the taking of inappropriate screenshots. People already take inappropriate screenshots with the emotes we have. Yet you guys are still worried about that?

This is a game with references to rape, sexual exploitation, threesomes (Ruby-Eyes, Sapphire-Eyes, and Longhaft, anyone?), legal prostitution (both a FATE in Costa del Sol and NPCs in Thanalan), replete with suggestive conversation and commentary, and you're worried about inappropriate screenshots? o_O

I think your priorities are skewed.

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if people would put so much energy for their rl freedom instead of fighting for it in a game the world would be a better place.

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have fun

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Originally Posted by Tahldon

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Yes i get your point but lets take a look at the only explanation we have gotten so far.

Im not going to bother finding it and copying it but the general reason was.

"To prevent players from taking innapropriate screenshots"

This would probably have been a perfectly fine explanation to most people if not for the fact that its already beeing done with the emotes that we have.

So basicly what SE tries to prevent by limiting this one already exist and will continue to exist till the day this game dies or loses all its emotes.