PvP video is pathetic

Since when any of those PvP promotion video ever being realistic? WoW's version is relatively stupid (the plagueland one). Tera's battleground one is pretty stupid too.

The server lag is not as big an issue as people claim for PvP since players do not have access to instant kill AE abilities that leaves a telegraphed area on the ground. Player's damage is mostly single targeted, and AEs are centered around a player and has no telegraph marker either. Player abilities are nowhere as devastating as mob telegraphed attacks, and plus they're much harder to avoid at all (quite a few are instant) so the lag should not be a significant issue. But having a class (Bard) that can do full ranged DPS while running is asking for a disaster to happen. I can't even imagine how PvP can be balanced with a class that can move and do full DPS from range at the same time.

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Originally Posted by complexxL9

I'm not into pvp and almost in all mmorpgs I try it for a very short time and mostly ignore it afterwards.
But seeing "pvp" video in ARR makes me so sad it's almost funny, is that all SE has to show off? I mean this is a promo video and it looks hmm dissapointing.. you can't tell me anyone into pvp actually finds that video exciting or promising?

I think this is a good hint, they are not going to fix the delay issues, and that is the reason pvp will be like presented in the video, standing in spot and attacking each other.
much skill
so intense
wow

the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bei96BMUa9w

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I'm sorry for SE but I agree with you, I laughed at the video: PvP and I didn't see ANY movement, it looked like fighting against a dummy, quite sad.

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Originally Posted by Divinemight

Since when any of those PvP promotion video ever being realistic? WoW's version is relatively stupid (the plagueland one). Tera's battleground one is pretty stupid too.

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Doesn't need to be realistic, it just needs to get you pumped.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JglnSrfJtyQ

And even though it wasn't an MMO it was pure pvp and IMO had by far the best cinematic

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XZd9n373vf4

"Make no mistake, war is coming. In all its glory and all its horror" FUCK YEA! makes you want to smash someone's face in. Showing actual gameplay is always underwhelming. You gotta play to your strong suits and FF has always been known for incredible cinematics.

Methinks they would do well to make one for pvp.

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Originally Posted by Fire-Dragon-DoL

I'm sorry for SE but I agree with you, I laughed at the video: PvP and I didn't see ANY movement, it looked like fighting against a dummy, quite sad.

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Scripted. Lol.

If they launch PvP with the god awful mage targeting system, it will dive bomb.

Honestly that video looks good. This is FINAL FANTASY if you expected pvp like WoW then you're looking in the wrong place. Just because something is slower paced does not always mean it's worse. For all I care, we could be locked in position standing in a line facing eachother 4 v 4 watching the timer for our next move. THIS IS FINAL FANTASY.

The fact they're adding any kind of PvP at all is a courtesy to all the players who want something else to HAVE FUN with. It is NOT intended to be "hard-core" or something that is going to pull people away from games like CoD or LoL.

Let me save you hard core pvpers some time. Pve games that add PvP will never have any meaningful PvP. Start looking elsewhere now and save yourself from future disappointment

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Originally Posted by Dragonskin

Ok, it's not just limited to FF14... you can stop with that. All MMOs have this.

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No...no they don't.
Try again.

Ok so for everyone saying the pvpers should go find a new game i mean do you actually see what you are saying


There are thousands of players in ff14 that want pvp good pvp
I don't care if this is final fantasie yes we all know that already it says it when you log in

It's still a mmorpg that people want to see good competive pvp in

Yoshi himself is very interseted in pvp so i like many many others are hoping for the best with leaderboards gear ranking systems ect ect competive pvp

Deal with it pvp is part of the mmorpg games a big part if you don't like it or what ever don't bother putting in your 2 cents

I could take it or leave it, I have never been a fan of arenas. mindless slugfests bore the hang out of me. personally the type of pvp I like is objective based pvp.

I honestly can't understand why everyone is complaining about PvP...I mean, yes PvP might not be the best when it comes out, but they'll fix it eventually. Why can't everyone be happy with everything else? come on guys, this game hasn't even been out 5 months yet and you expect it to be running perfect? -.-

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Originally Posted by PessimiStick

You realize that pretty much every MMO acts this way, yes? The only way to tell who is actually ahead is to see who is closer, or from a third party observer. You will *always* be farther ahead on your screen than other people see you.

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I havent played a game with a connection this bad since 2002, let alone an MMO. WoW was not nearly this bad even at launch. Everything was pretty much instant

Everyone complaining about a lack of movement. What are you honestly expecting? You've been playing the game yes? You understand how targeting works yes? The combat in this game is not set up for fast paced, twitch gameplay. So if you're expecting to be able to evade peoples attacks by circle strafe jumping... the game just wasn't set up for that. It's all about timing, and positioning, which I think will allow for more strategic pvp, which imo sounds more fun.

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Originally Posted by LadyStardust

I honestly can't understand why everyone is complaining about PvP...I mean, yes PvP might not be the best when it comes out, but they'll fix it eventually. Why can't everyone be happy with everything else? come on guys, this game hasn't even been out 5 months yet and you expect it to be running perfect? -.-

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The pvp I like, the "fixing because of PvP" I do not like. As long as abilities are kept separate and not nerfed or buffed because of PvE or PvP its fine. When abilities are nerfed because of PvP or PvE shit starts breaking and the game starts to suck.

PvP in some games can be compared to Veggie wraps at McDonalds. Good try but no, you don't make healthy food, Ronald and you never will. It isn't why I go to McDonalds and it never will be why I or anyone else goes to McDonalds.

Likewise, there are PvP games out there. Games that are designed to work in PvP environments. Games that have FFA PvP, games that have zoned FFA PvP, games that were designed from the ground up to be PvP games.

This isn't one of them and it never will be. Let it go, SE. Make a PvP game. Don't make a PvE game and then try and twist it in to a Veggie McWrap. It looks bad.

I am guessing the enticement is there for some strange reason. I watched EVE Online try and make their PvE "fun" and it's still a boring ISK grind and ends up borking half the game when they make ISK farming aka "fun" PvE. So it's not like SE are the first ones to beat their head on this brick wall.

PVP and MMO's don't mix very well. GW1 was the one exception to that, but that wasn't really an MMO.

Promo video. No realistic pvp movement in video, just showcasing. Stop complaining. =_=

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Originally Posted by Flionheart

PVP and MMO's don't mix very well. GW1 was the one exception to that, but that wasn't really an MMO.

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Do you realize what you just said player verses player dose not mix well with massive multiplayer online games

Are you freaking kidding me without the mmo there would be no pvp at all

There are cash contest massive player bases solely for pvp

Come on man please have some kind inclination to what your talking about before just spewing random nonsense

Issue is you can't move while casting... anything... I can tell I am going to be good at pvp especially if I only have to stand in one spot and heal myself and throw on buffs lol.

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Originally Posted by luggz

Do you realize what you just said player verses player dose not mix well with massive multiplayer online games

Are you freaking kidding me without the mmo there would be no pvp at all

There are cash contest massive player bases solely for pvp

Come on man please have some kind inclination to what your talking about before just spewing random nonsense

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So Starcraft, Warcraft, Quake, CS, etc etc would not exist without MMOs?

Not sure why they couldnt release world pvp. Meh.

Not being rude, but nothing in that Video would make me want to PvP in FF14, PvE Combat is bad imagine PvP with 2.5 GCD xD slowest PvP in the world..and the delay, lag .. no thanks.

Agreed. I couldn't be less impressed, and I expected something abysmal after experiencing FFXI's PvP.

I dont understand what people are requesting, PVP seems pretty straight forward, what did you want to see in the video?

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Originally Posted by MaFi0s0

I dont understand what people are requesting, PVP seems pretty straight forward, what did you want to see in the video?

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Something like this appearently.

They expected meaningful PvP in a pve game. Why did they expect thus? No clue.

No HC PvP player is going to be looking at this game, anyone who bought the game for PvP really needs a slap across the back of the head.

I personally HATE PVP in any MMO.

If I want PVP I will play something where it's a purely level playing field. Not something where having one peace of gear chances the balance so much that you can't win.

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Originally Posted by Kewitt

I personally HATE PVP in any MMO.

If I want PVP I will play something where it's a purely level playing field. Not something where having one peace of gear chances the balance so much that you can't win.

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"If you get chewed out go afk, you don't need to be bullied in a game. (This messes up the bullies run, little perk.)"

Sounds more like you have issues with being confronted in general. Very mature reaction to punish everyone else in your group for your unusually thin skin. When in doubt always act like a child and maximize the collateral damage right?




I also hope you realize that almost every PVP oriented game still rewards players for spending more time with it. Even Call of Duty games have a leveling system with bonuses for playing a LOT. Hell, even in Counter Strike you start rounds with more money when you're on a winning streak. If you want a completely even playing field you can play some Starcraft or DOTA, but something tells me they don't appeal to you.

Thanks for contributing your opinion. They have made it clear however that you will not be forced to participate if you do not want to.

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Originally Posted by complexxL9

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All you had to see was those couple of vids that popped up month or two ago that showed the PVP in action....Personally..I thought it looked like garbage.

To summarize..it was a sleep fest...no literally about 50% of the people in the room were literally snoring cause a mage put them to sleep...or maybe it was cause their character was literally so bored it fell asleep..who knows.

I'm going to wait until it drops before passing judgement on this one.

As I remember it the only real PvP in XI was competition over NMs and the mobs that dropped pop items!!

Im pretty sure they realized that pvp is gonna be crap on current combat system before they even started planning on pvp mode. But its just yet another feature they have to do because they "promised" so and every mmo clone is also expected to atleast have some sort of crappy pvp. Personally i wish they would use the time to actually do real content instead of broken features noone uses after first 2 weeks.

Also i can hardly wait to see how this works out for EU players. Even on pve content there is always 1 second delay minimum on everything, aka melee cant hit moving targets and aoe hits even after you move out of it. This sure brings GREAT promises on pvp where ppl are most likely to move instead of standing in one spot whole time.

Final Fantasy has never been PvP focused. If you honestly set your expectations high for it then you don't know the franchise very well.

I'm not playing ARR for its PvP, but I do enjoy PvP. So if they have a good PvP system, I'll happily take part in it every now and again. :)

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Originally Posted by Theref

Haha yea.
00:50, look at how awesome he is ignoring the healer, instead he fight the Palladin.
No wonder their team lose x(

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Lol yes. I think the people they picked to make the video are just horribly bad. xD

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Originally Posted by Astarica

The PvP videos rarely show real PvP because real PvP is either abusive or very boring and wouldn't impress anybody. That said I don't see how PvP could possibly work with the lag and the fact that you got a class that can do full ranged DPS while moving, as that's basically asking for disaster in a PvP environment.

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You get lag? maybe get a better internet connection? not trying to be rude.
but I only get lag when there is like 5 raids killing Odin, and my PC is not all that great with highest settings. and a "16 meg connection."

are you playing on PS3? or PC? if PC why not try shutting down background programs. and search for spyware and remove it. it should help your connection. and reduce lag.

btw PvP will be great, and I look forward to it!!

you can't judge pvp from a simple trailer showing combat in a PvP Arena.


real PvP is either abusive?? guessing you have only experienced pvp where everyone uses hacks? and Zergs?
real pvp is where players have even odds of winning, and it is all based on there skill. and planning. + team work.

not Hacks, Zergs, or Abusive players..

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Originally Posted by Kewitt

I personally HATE PVP in any MMO.

If I want PVP I will play something where it's a purely level playing field. Not something where having one peace of gear chances the balance so much that you can't win.

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Why does everyone always act like skill-based pvp and gear-based pvp are mutually exclusive? Just because a game has gear slots doesn't mean the pvp takes zero skill to win. Heres an idea: don't step into the arena until you're geared up. Pretty simple. And if you're decent, one gear slot will not tip the scales so much that you cant win.

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Originally Posted by Scamperoo

Can't you all stop complaining about anything and everything, whenever something new in the game is previewed this forum almost universally pans it before they even try it. There is even a claim of people not going to try the game based on a short video of PVP. Seriously people, don't you have anything better to do. What a toxic little forum you have here.

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This. People are getting WAY too upset before they have even had a chance to try it. Yoshi is a self-expressed avid PvPer. I'm not convinced that the system is going to be good yet, but pronouncing judgment at this point is just silly.

Yes, the PVP looks to be worse than GW2's PVP which is an accomplishment.