When Will We see New Information

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Originally Posted by Gramul

If I may play the devils advocate.

What if the system turns out to be bad? Maybe we feel like we could have a say in how it's being changed to prevent another 'disaster'. Yoshi and Square claim to want more communication, but are failing to supply it.

Either way, it's only Tuesday.

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thing here you have to understand is, they are past changes, they have decided, they are moving to development, your opinion at this point can only be to fine tune what they have planned, which they are still fine tuning.

Of course i think they should give info anyhow, id like to know what they are going with, they have already commited to it, so they may as well reveal it. Not sure why its taking so long to say what the plan is when the plan is already decided.

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Originally Posted by Physic

thing here you have to understand is, they are past changes, they have decided, they are moving to development, your opinion at this point can only be to fine tune what they have planned, which they are still fine tuning.

Of course i think they should give info anyhow, id like to know what they are going with, they have already committed to it, so they may as well reveal it. Not sure why its taking so long to say what the plan is when the plan is already decided.

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And I actually do agree with you.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

you are completely missing the point of my post. I don't care if they give us 1 update a month, but in that update I want something that actually shows that they are doing something instead of just "we're working on things." Give me pics/vids/ SOMETHING.

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The last producer's letter (5/2) had screenshots.

There. Problem solved now? :)

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Originally Posted by VydarrTyr

The last producer's letter (5/2) had screenshots.

There. Problem solved now? :)

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Not really. Only 1 of those screenshots was worth a damn. The rest were basically "we're putting a small quest camp in the middle of nowhere and people will only go there for 1 quest and never use again." What happened to Aleport, Wineport and the rest of the cities outside of the main 3? Why is nothing there? Why have we not heard anything about what's going to go on there? Why are there no SS of actual content (aside from that 1 really good one of the kabal*sp* camp)?

We need more information.
Or at least a reasonable explanation as to why the can not share it with us.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

Not really. Only 1 of those screenshots was worth a damn. The rest were basically "we're putting a small quest camp in the middle of nowhere and people will only go there for 1 quest and never use again." What happened to Aleport, Wineport and the rest of the cities outside of the main 3? Why is nothing there? Why have we not heard anything about what's going to go on there? Why are there no SS of actual content (aside from that 1 really good one of the kabal*sp* camp)?

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"Good things come for those who wait"

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Originally Posted by Starlord

"Good things come for those who wait"

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a little over 7 months is long enough, don't you think?

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Originally Posted by Gramul

We need more information.
Or at least a reasonable explanation as to why the can not share it with us.

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I would say because they're still working on what you guys want to know.

We have information on what they're doing, read Yoshi-P's last letter. Also Matsui is going to post soon, we'll have information on the dungeons soon, and Yoshi-P's next letter (with an updated chart btw) is coming soon. All you guys have to do is be patient.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

a little over 7 months is long enough, don't you think?

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If you waited over 7 months, then waiting until mid-June isn't going to kill you.

lol what is wrong with guild marks and BRs, wut?...

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

If you waited over 7 months, then waiting until mid-June isn't going to kill you.

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Maybe it won't kill me, but it's killing SE's bank as well as my patience.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

a little over 7 months is long enough, don't you think?

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Same rules apply reguardless of the wait, I have no reason to complain, all I can do is give my thoughts to SE hear their responce when they give it, and wait.

Anything further will just get me over anixious for more things. Theres other things to life than a video game

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Originally Posted by Dubont

Maybe it won't kill me, but it's killing SE's bank as well as my patience.

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This is not the only game they're working on, I'm sure their bank will be fine when Versus XII, Type-0, XIII-2, and etc come out. Also I'm sure they're making money on XI and games for portable devices.

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

This is not the only game they're working on, I'm sure their bank will be fine when Versus XII, Type-0, XIII-2, and etc come out. Also I'm sure they're making money on XI and games for portable devices.

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considering the fact that vs13 is, at this point, just using up money, I doubt it. Also XIII-2 will be garbage just like the first one (sequels for FF games are never good) They aren't making much money off of 11 atm. There are only...what..4 servers up now? yea....

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Originally Posted by Dubont

considering the fact that vs13 is, at this point, just using up money, I doubt it. Also XIII-2 will be garbage just like the first one (sequels for FF games are never good) They aren't making much money off of 11 atm. There are only...what..4 servers up now? yea....

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yes
they will be garbage games that sell millions of copies
millions of copies wont make them any money, thats for sure

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

yes
they will be garbage games that sell millions of copies
millions of copies wont make them any money, thats for sure

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the more that their reputation sinks, the less their games will sell. If they continue putting out crap games, they will continue to lose money especially with their bad rep when it comes to sequels.

All I know is that if they make this game like FFXI, I am quitting it for good!! I don't want a FFXI clone.....

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Originally Posted by Dubont

the more that their reputation sinks, the less their games will sell. If they continue putting out crap games, they will continue to lose money especially with their bad rep when it comes to sequels.

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ehhhh, kingdom hearts series all did pretty well from what i heard. if they make decent games, they will make money.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

considering the fact that vs13 is, at this point, just using up money, I doubt it. Also XIII-2 will be garbage just like the first one (sequels for FF games are never good) They aren't making much money off of 11 atm. There are only...what..4 servers up now? yea....

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Wow, you need to learn how to count. 4 servers? LOL Anyway welcome to my ignore list, you've been spouting crap out of your mouth since the first day of these forums.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

the more that their reputation sinks, the less their games will sell. If they continue putting out crap games, they will continue to lose money especially with their bad rep when it comes to sequels.

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You mean X-2? The one true sequel they ever made? From what I heard After years was fairly decent. I think people who are "Fed up" need to walk away. They are getting upset over something they don't need to be.

It's SE's job to fix the game, let them do it and stop crying when they don't report to you every week. We all know that the update is a month away for the "Large" update so I'm not sure why everyone is clamoring for news about a update that is still a month from coming out the gate. There are still a few days left in the week, we will hear something before it's done "probably on thursday I'm assuming" I'm not sure about you but I can stop my panties from knoting up until then.

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Originally Posted by Dubont

considering the fact that vs13 is, at this point, just using up money, I doubt it. Also XIII-2 will be garbage just like the first one (sequels for FF games are never good) They aren't making much money off of 11 atm. There are only...what..4 servers up now? yea....

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It's more than 15 servers (after the server merge)... after almost a decade...

Though, I do think SE should finally get their act together and produce good games again. And think things through, while they're at it. I'm looking at you, Infinite Undiscovery/ The Last Remnant/ XIV/ Mindjack etc. .

I'm not going to say you guys are wrong...

...but I am going to say I'm not buying those games and I've bought every turd with "FF" slapped on the box for about 20 years. I assume I'm not alone. I'll buy them if they end up being good, but I am not going to be tricked again after FF12 & 13 tricked me. I'm embarrassed I bought FF13.

So sales will tale the true tale of FF13-2 and Versus.

[SIZE="7"]I DON'T WANT A FINAL FANTASY XI CLONE!
DO YOU HEAR ME SQUARE-ENIX?!

I don't like FFXI! I hate that game! Worst MMO ever!!! [/SIZE]

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

Wow, you need to learn how to count. 4 servers? LOL Anyway welcome to my ignore list, you've been spouting crap out of your mouth since the first day of these forums.

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you obviously aren't keen on sarcasm. There are currently 17 servers but that number is soon to drop greatly as another merge is planned. The number will basically be divided by 3 so you're looking at between 5-6 servers after they are done with the next merge. As far as me spitting crap, until recently, I've defended this game to the core, but recently, the dev team has started to lose my trust, especially after the last patch.....

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

I would say because they're still working on what you guys want to know.

We have information on what they're doing, read Yoshi-P's last letter. Also Matsui is going to post soon, we'll have information on the dungeons soon, and Yoshi-P's next letter (with an updated chart btw) is coming soon. All you guys have to do is be patient.

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I think many people just feel that the updates carry too little information and come too infrequently. I for one am looking forward to the information coming this week, but I can't help but wonder why they could not have set out the information on how the system will change for us when they announced it. What is preventing you from revealing this information? Is it legal matters? I can understand that, but I would like to know if that's what's really preventing them from telling us.

this game will not be charging us for a long time....its no where near as full-featured as rift wow or frankly any mmo so untill se see a fully featured basic form of this game dont expect a bill. which wont be for a LONG time from now

u guys seriously dont need to complain about the dev team posting not enough in the english forums. the german forum didnt get any comments yet at all from the dev team....

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Originally Posted by Shai

I'm not going to say you guys are wrong...

...but I am going to say I'm not buying those games and I've bought every turd with "FF" slapped on the box for about 20 years. I assume I'm not alone. I'll buy them if they end up being good, but I am not going to be tricked again after FF12 & 13 tricked me. I'm embarrassed I bought FF13.

So sales will tale the true tale of FF13-2 and Versus.

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FF12 was pretty damn good, sure the story was pretty lacking, but there was so MUCH to do in that game. FF13 was pretty good in story, graphics, and music, but it didn't have near the content that 12 had. That's where they screwed up. Anyway hopefully they learned from their mistakes from 13 and won't do it again with 13-2, also I know Versus is gonna be also, pretty much anything that Tetsuya Nomura makes is gold.

To me every FF game in the main series has been good all the way up to this one, not perfect but good, so I'm happy with my "turds".

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Originally Posted by Dubont

a little over 7 months is long enough, don't you think?

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Too little in terms of redesigning a game to be honest.

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Originally Posted by Cxplorer

[SIZE="7"]I DON'T WANT A FINAL FANTASY XI CLONE!
DO YOU HEAR ME SQUARE-ENIX?!

I don't like FFXI! I hate that game! Worst MMO ever!!! [/SIZE]

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So you hate the successful MMO that paid for the existence of this and many other SE projects the past years?

XIV can learn a lot from XI :D

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

FF12 was pretty damn good, sure the story was pretty lacking, but there was so MUCH to do in that game. FF13 was pretty good in story, graphics, and music, but it didn't have near the content that 12 had. That's where they screwed up. Anyway hopefully they learned from their mistakes from 13 and won't do it again with 13-2, also I know Versus is gonna be also, pretty much anything that Tetsuya Nomura makes is gold.

To me every FF game in the main series has been good all the way up to this one, not perfect but good, so I'm happy with my "turds".

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I think Nomura is their worst story teller. Haha. He makes great gameplay, but his stories are always "WTF is going on" to me. Don't even get me started.

I play games for the story. So naturally I don't like 12 or 13. I did like aspects of them, but I didn't say what I said to debate the merits of other games. I meant I won't be buying anything with "FF" on it for a long time, until after I rent it and give it a test drive or have some resounding recommendations from trusted sources (read: not magazines or the internet). So as a guy who has always turned to FF for good story telling, I am not pleased this past decade. XI is the best they've got and XIV story starting up good but idk what to expect.

So that said - when I said "turds" I meant Crystal Chronicles, Chocobo Dungeon, yada yada. I said anything with "FF" on the box. Honestly, I liked Chocobo Dungeon (Wii) better than FF13. That says something cause 1 I expect to be goofy and disappointing, the other I expect to be the best the developer/publisher has to offer.

Versus and XIII-2 look great on paper and in trailers, but so did XIII and XII. My stance is solidified by the humongous disappointment of XIV and of it's new policy of "open communication" which is thinly veiled silence and secrecy.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Too little in terms of redesigning a game to be honest.



So you hate the successful MMO that paid for the existence of this and many other SE projects the past years?

XIV can learn a lot from XI :D

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FFXI was to party based and I didn't like that. In FFXIV,I can do the main quest just by myself which is fine with me! I didn't like the fact that FFXI was SO party dependant to progress. :(

Keep in mind that the patch's deadline is not mid-June. The letter clearly said "mid-jun at the earliest".

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Originally Posted by Cxplorer

FFXI was to party based and I didn't like that. In FFXIV,I can do the main quest just by myself which is fine with me! I didn't like the fact that FFXI was SO party dependent to progress. :(

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I kind of agree, but not quite to the extent that you feel.

Then again, XI is a MMO game. Forming parties and relationships is kind of important for those and I just realized a lot of the direction in XIV tried to complement that ideal without having to make it its main focus and that might be why certain features feel so weak. They're spread out between trying to appease the single player and forming bonds and relationships with other players.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

I kind of agree, but not quite to the extent that you feel.

Then again, XI is a MMO game. Forming parties and relationships is kind of important for those and I just realized a lot of the direction in XIV tried to complement that ideal without having to make it its main focus and that might be why certain features feel so weak. They're spread out between trying to appease the single player and forming bonds and relationships with other players.

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I like that 14 enables the solo player to accomplish more then 11. I don't want 14 to be exactly like 11. It would be nice to have some of both. I agree with you Gramul.

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Originally Posted by Gracious

I like that 14 enables the solo player to accomplish more then 11. I don't want 14 to be exactly like 11. It would be nice to have some of both. I agree with you Gramul.

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Waiting for parties can be a bitch sometimes. I don't like that. Also,it really was TOO hardcore and I also didn't like that.

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Originally Posted by Cxplorer

Waiting for parties can be a bitch sometimes. I don't like that. Also,it really was TOO hardcore and I also didn't like that.

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I loved it because people actually partied. 14? pfff you are lucky to get a party outside of your linkshell...

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Originally Posted by Dubont

I loved it because people actually partied. 14? pfff you are lucky to get a party outside of your linkshell...

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the game has virtually no players, mostly due to the fact they havent updated anything in months due to some massive planned changes. So it isnt surprising that who is left is cliquish, and not that many at that.

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Originally Posted by Physic

the game has virtually no players, mostly due to the fact they havent updated anything in months due to some massive planned changes. So it isnt surprising that who is left is cliquish, and not that many at that.

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oh i see plenty of people running around, but everyone either solos everything or they do nothing but craft....which is annoying.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Too little in terms of redesigning a game to be honest.



So you hate the successful MMO that paid for the existence of this and many other SE projects the past years?

XIV can learn a lot from XI :D

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no he doesnt wasnt a clone so he says many ppl going to rift and its pretty much a rip off of all other mmo's and biggest rip off was from wow its a wow clone

Soloing in FFXI you had the choice to do on BST and DRG any job really just need to be smart ....
But is people on 14 want to solo and barely get 7-9k and hour more power to them where parties me and my ls do are 22-27k/hr in a party . I dont get why you want to be alone and not talk to anyone or lvl faster ...
and those who thought FFXI was too hardcore to get a party must have joined when no one was lvling anymore or during abyssea where everyone lvled everything to 90