perhaps we aren't using warrior properly?

i could definitely live with being able to stun more often. that would be great. over time against certain things, warrior is a better tank, but i think against large spike damage, like 4.5k table flips, pld has the upper hand being able to reduce that without requiring virus

I tend to agree with the playerbase, they did a horrible job with tanks in 1.0 at first as well. (the 1.0 version of job tanks that is)

Bring back healing steel cyclone :D that would be awesome.. but really all i would ask is for is foresight to be a damage reduction or something. I dont ever see a noticeable difference even though its adding about 200 def. Or it could hold true to its name and automatically parry a couple of attacks. and for storm's path to heal something reasonable, or remove it from the 3 stage combo.

Personally I believe SE should address ALL Class/Job concerns when they release 2.1. Why settle for small patches/hotfixs when they can release a big patch that addresses all the issues?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Gilthas

I'm very far from endgame to care about these issues, but if Warriors do more damage than Paladins, that's reason enough to bring one along.

---

Actually in the tanking forums it has been said that paladin and warrior do about the same level of damage.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Blindfate

Personally I believe SE should address ALL Class/Job concerns when they release 2.1. Why settle for small patches/hotfixs when they can release a big patch that addresses all the issues?

---

Because the more things that get changed at once, the easier it is to unbalance things, especially when the different things being changed interact with each other.

What level of gear were the dev's using when they compare warrior to paladin? Full darklight with Relic? AF+1? regular AF?

If the war is really strong when geared i'd buy the statements made by Yoshi P, but what about when your doing the HM primals for the first time and are still using a few bits of AF? You can do that as a pally, company weapon, AF outfit, maybe the darklight belt, you can tank that, can a war say the same? can the devs really say the same in that gear? Yoshi's statement is far too vague.

A tanking class that doesn't become usable in a raid until after they get the gear from said raid is not a balanced class.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by reality_check

I lustrate three times every 45ish seconds on my Scholar. The sheer difference in HP from the warrior compared to paladin makes healing that much easier when your best main tank heal is based on the tanks max health %.

---

Good point!

So from what I see so far the big things for warrior are:


-Lustrate which heals 20% of hp up to 3x per 45 sec

-Fey Light which "Increases skill speed of self and nearby party members by 30% for 30s" (60s cool-down). There's also one for spell speed the scholar can apply to themselves. It could be just me but I feel like I see more scholars using Eos as default which helps with survivability more so warriors probably don't get hit with it as much as they may have been intended?

-Wrath V under Defiance (-25% dmg output but also reduces damage received by 25%) (adding 10% crit and 15% heal potency) and gear for crit bonus

-Other stuff such as bloodbath, berserk, mantra, internal release, and second wind to improve potency of stuff above and boosting inner beast for occasional self-heal which can be followed up with an Infuriate to replenish the Wrath stack.

This is all purely speculation though. Can crit help offset the -25% damage reduction? Feel free to tear it apart!

Question: what is Unchained good for?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by thinkmad

show devs playing level 50/HM primal battles with warriors, and i'll believe there's nothing wrong with warriors. yes, warriors are strong up until they hit hard mode... after that, it all goes down the drain.

---

The primal battles aren't the problem. Coil is. Have the devs tested Warriors with Coil?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by reality_check

I have a Scholar and a White Mage both of whom I use regularly for healing. I do purely maintank healing on my scholar and I have to say I MUCH MUCH prefer to heal a warrior than to heal a paladin on my scholar.
ut.
I lustrate three times every 45ish seconds on my Scholar. The sheer difference in HP from the warrior compared to paladin makes healing that much easier when your best main tank heal is based on the tanks max health %.

---

i think there is your answer right there. healers don't know how to correctly heal warriors.
why cast a cure I for example when stoneskin will stop 1.3k damage based on a warrior having 7.5k health
lustrate 3 times every 45 seconds is 1.5k every 45 seconds

Stone skin is a 5 second turn around to recast every time. So maybe healers need to adapt to warrior play not the other way around