Calculated optimal Myth spending for BRDs

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

Why are you trying to keep other Bards down?

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We're trying to keep you down on your bad information because you aren't even a bard. There is literally a single piece of ilvl 90 gear that gives SS over acc and what little SS it does give is so minuscule it will not give any kind of meaningful dps increase, .01secs off the gcd is not an upgrade, player error and any amount of server lag will make it so 99% of the time you will never see any benefit to said "increase".

So what you're saying is that if you had one piece of gear with +1 Dex, and another with +1000 Skill Speed, you'd use the Dex gear right?

A) I fail to see how gear not existing with SS instead of Acc is relevant at all to stat weights. It couldn't possibly be less relevant.

B) .01 seconds moves the "window" in which you hit your next ability to the left by .01 seconds. It does exactly what it's supposed to do. Before, you could be activating skills anywhere from t=0 to t=100ms, now you can activate from t=-10 to t=90. Sometimes you gain nothing, sometimes you gain something. On average, you'd gain 10ms, which is what the stat gave you.

see now you are just trying to get cool points for trolling... and you failed again...

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

So what you're saying is that if you had one piece of gear with +1 Dex, and another with +1000 Skill Speed, you'd use the Dex gear right?

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There's a large difference between 10 SS and 1000, trying to compare the 2 is just trolling at this point. And to the post below you are trying to say that a player will always(or on average) hit the ability right after it comes off cd, what you're trying to say is that high end players are nothing more than robots and can hit abilities on the exact dot it comes up. Human error prevents us from being able to do so and as such you'd be lucky if you even got any kind of real benefit from .01secs off, and if you're trying to say just use a macro then you're already at a disadvantage because that is already a proven dps loss over hitting them yourself.

Now if what you're trying to say is if a bard were to use all SS pieces then it would be meaningful then show me all those lvl 90 pieces with SS on them where you don't lose better stats. Or you could be suggesting use full toxotes and Dl, which is already much lower than ilvl 90 gear.

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Originally Posted by Pellegri

There's a large difference between 10 SS and 1000, trying to compare the 2 is just trolling at this point.

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No, it was the beginning of asking at what point the SS is "worthy" of weighting. Because if not 1000, then 200. If not 200, then 100. If 100 SS is still a "large, troll-worthy" difference compared to 1 dex or 10 crit, then at what point is the difference not "exaggerated"?

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And to the post below you are trying to say that a player will always(or on average) hit the ability right after it comes off cd, what you're trying to say is that high end players are nothing more than robots and can hit abilities on the exact dot it comes up.

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Ummm ................................

I'm not going to base any objective analysis on bad players.

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as such you'd be lucky if you even got any kind of real benefit from .01secs off,

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You'd be lucky if you even got any kind of real benefit from 10 crit, by which I mean 0.693% chance to crit.

But apparently 10 crit is a huge, huge deal!

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if you're trying to say just use a macro

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And you suggest that I'm trolling?

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

No, it was the beginning of asking at what point the SS is "worthy" of weighting. Because if not 1000, then 200. If not 200, then 100. If 100 SS is still a "large, troll-worthy" difference compared to 1 dex or 10 crit, then at what point is the difference not "exaggerated"?



Ummm ................................

I'm not going to base any objective analysis on bad players.



You'd be lucky if you even got any kind of real benefit from 10 crit, by which I mean 0.693% chance to crit.

But apparently 10 crit is a huge, huge deal!



And you suggest that I'm trolling?

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you have no idea what you are talking about and pretending you are an "expert."

Skill speed is simply bad for a bard you want as little of it as possbile you do not want it weighted at all. You take it only if there is no better option. IN BiS a bard should have less then 65 skill speed simply because that is the smallest you can get with the best gear in game. Its stat weight is 0 you will never have enough on any piece of gear to make it better then any other option with less skill speed on it.

Crit matter for bards because it is by far the strongest stat for them because of the river of blood trait. Bards have double to triple the crit of every other class because of how the mechanics of the class are. So yes crit is a huge deal..

Here is an example of the crit a top geared bard can do on titan while still being goaled 3 times.

http://i.imgur.com/OVrDai3.jpg

I like how your parse indicates that 60% of your total DPS is executed on the GCD and would be accelerated by Skill Speed. Thanks for the clarification.

whats the reasoning why 9 dex and 34 skill speed doesn't beat 3 crit rate and 18 determination? (allagan cuirass vs HQ gryphonskin with capped crit and determination (27/18)

even if you ignored the skillspeed completely, i figured even 5 dex could probably beat out 3 crit/18 determination in terms of stat weighs, but i guess bards are a bit special with barrage and bloodletter

edit: which sort of brings me to another slightly related, but still offtopic question, sorry op!

taking into consideration of the importance of crit/det, would you argue that an HQ gryphonskin ring with optimal materia (9 dex 9 crit 8~ determination) be better than an allagan ring? (13 dex 16 acc 11 ss) in a raw DPS standpoint

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

I like how your parse indicates that 60% of your total DPS is executed on the GCD and would be accelerated by Skill Speed. Thanks for the clarification.

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actually bards have multiple skills not on the GCD... i only have 39 skill speed. The reason crit is so strong is because dot crits can reset the cooldown on bloodletter which is off the GCD, another reason why skill speed is bad for bards.

Flaming arrow, bloodletter, and misery's end are all off the GCD so that further devalues crt as we are not bound by the GCD when using them.

Also if you look a large portion of my damage i based on my dots which are not at all effected by skill speed which yet again makes it a bad stat. There is no argument you can amke that will ever change the math that states skill speed is terrible and pretty much a useless stat for bards. It carries 0 weight as a stat.

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Originally Posted by himehime

whats the reasoning why 9 dex and 34 skill speed doesn't beat 3 crit rate and 18 determination? (allagan cuirass vs HQ gryphonskin with capped crit and determination (27/18)
but i guess bards are a bit special with barrage and bloodletter

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the difference in them is marginal at best.
The only thing you will gain is the dex which is nice, but its still mostly a side grade with that chest, and why bank on getting a rare drop when for a few hundred thousand gill you can simply make something that is basically equal?

That way you do not have to hope that item drops and they are still both vastly worse then the AF2 chest but with the gryphon chest you can get things like the belt and +1 relic sooner which are great upgrades then going from gryphon chest to AF2 chest.

When min maxing you want the best you can get as soon as possible within reason. The gryphon chest is one of the cheaper crafting items only needing 9 animal fat so there is no reason not to get it and meld it into a better then darklight chest and marginally different DPS wise then the coil chest.