So i finished my PLD... After my WAR

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tronic

It's worthless for tanking. It's useful for dealing extra damage in a farming run against multiple mobs. Or would you rather spend that 5 stack wrath on an IB you don't need because your healers are keeping you topped off?Assuming you are against 2 or more mobs, you're getting more juice out of SC.

And yes, CM is better off with an extra bit of dmg rather than a tank who is a bit better, because it is a farming run and nobody cares if your health never dipped below 60% instead of 40%. L2 prioritize.

---

if you wanna do dmg against multiple mobs?
take off defiance and use overpower.

a skill on a 15~22.5cd, who cares if it does 200dmg or not. it takes too long to even use.

and no, CM dont require warrior's pathetic dmg under defiance.

besides, pld is just 10000% times easier for training two packs of mobs to cannon, try to do it in DF with AF healer, you could die in 3sec if you got stunned.

and pld's stun is best against the giant robot pat at the cannon, pld could chain stun it, war has a high chance to fuk it up and let it destroy all the cannons with one AOE.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kiaris

Finished my WAR, got Full Darklight, Garuda Weapon.. etc etc Was having fun tanking things for my FC didn't have any issues or complaints about survival/agro.


I finished my PLD on Friday, got the Grand Company Weapon and shield.

Went into Garuda/AK so far with it and...

WAR now feels like a shitty DD with high HP's


But hey! at least they share the Darklight set.


Glad i saved my Myth Seals.

---

I would have a warrior any day for pulling multiple trash mobs over paladins sucky ability to keep multiple agro,but id defunatly have a paladin for tanking single target boss's, warriors are so good until you get to the boss's and you struggle a bit :P

i have a feeling once PvP hits, WAR is going to be a much better choice tank over PLD. Considering PLD hate generation, stun, and mitigation might be more worthless against larger HP pools and better damage outside of defiance.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kuvu

I have a buddy i run CM with as a warrior and we have swapped off tanking and he was shocked at how much dmg compared to paladin. Its just not in the books, you guys are good at adds and OTing and that's it, unless you have 3 healers to keep you up.

---

You can solo tank CM and Praetorium solo with a WAR at this point. You can also solo tank Ifrit HM as long as people dodge fire due to lack of interrupt. Unless you can cycle interrupts with another class... PUG style at least.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Inosaska

The point of having two classes is for different playstyles and nothing more. They should do the same thing and same job and be just as effective. For DPS classes melee should be doing way more damage then ranged but currently that is not the case and ranged is doing way more then melee and that needs to be corrected. Why you ask is because melee is taking more damage and has a bigger risk and also they have to move from AoEs.

---

Let me ask you this with that train of thought. Can or does a scholar heal like a white mage? The answer is no. They are good at what they do but I dont think you see scholars hollering because they dont heall like a white mage.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kuvu

This isn't a troll post so don't take it as that but i am just curious what people were expecting when rolling a warrior.
.

---

Well since both are listed as tanks... We all probably assumed that warrior would be just as effective as pld, but with a different mitigation and playstyle...this was not the case.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Conna

Well since both are listed as tanks... We all probably assumed that warrior would be just as effective as pld, but with a different mitigation and play style...this was not the case.

---

Isnt that the case, they both have different mitigation and play styles? One is good at dealing multiple mobs and another is good at solo target. Its the same as it was in EQ, you had tanks that were good at just powering through and you had tanks that were good at OTing it all just depended on what the situation was. I think that is what we have here, you have advantages and disadvantages to both.

Another thing to point out is that when crystal tower comes out i am guessing the gear will be better for a war then DL. From my reading a war can do to turn 4 and after that a pally is need, but really we are not supposed to really be that far since we really don't have the gear to be there. I can understand your frustrations and you wanting to be just as good as your counter point but as you said they both have different play styles and needs.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by WingsofWar

i have a feeling once PvP hits, WAR is going to be a much better choice tank over PLD. Considering PLD hate generation, stun, and mitigation might be more worthless against larger HP pools and better damage outside of defiance.

---

Better tank for what... pvp? Since when does pvp require tanks as anything more than a brief distraction until cc is applied? A warrior with defiance on does what.. 5% more damage than a paladin? 5% more at the insignificant dps that tanks do is nothing.

Warriors are a different style of tank, but I hope they do get some help... I'd much rather see them have a self shield as opposed to self healing, something to help with the sheer lack of mitigation.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Kuvu

Isnt that the case, they both have different mitigation and play styles? One is good at dealing multiple mobs and another is good at solo target. Its the same as it was in EQ, you had tanks that were good at just powering through and you had tanks that were good at OTing it all just depended on what the situation was. I think that is what we have here, you have advantages and disadvantages to both.

Another thing to point out is that when crystal tower comes out i am guessing the gear will be better for a war then DL. From my reading a war can do to turn 4 and after that a pally is need, but really we are not supposed to really be that far since we really don't have the gear to be there. I can understand your frustrations and you wanting to be just as good as your counter point but as you said they both have different play styles and needs.

---

Is there a "queue as off tank" option in the duty finder? No, because it doesn't exist. See a "queue as AoE tank" option either? I don't.

This game is meant to have jobs that fit into very rigid archetypes. This isn't EQ. This isn't even FFXI. There aren't hybrids and there aren't support classes. There's Tank, DPS, healer ... period.

With WAR/PLD, both classes are tanks, and they're supposed to be relatively equal and relatively interchangable. If one class is more difficult to play than another class, that's fine. However, if one class is head over heals better than another class at the job role (in this class tank) then something's not working right.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Giantbane

Is there a "queue as off tank" option in the duty finder? No, because it doesn't exist. See a "queue as AoE tank" option either? I don't.

This game is meant to have jobs that fit into very rigid archetypes. This isn't EQ. This isn't even FFXI. There aren't hybrids and there aren't support classes. There's Tank, DPS, healer ... period.

With WAR/PLD, both classes are tanks, and they're supposed to be relatively equal and relatively interchangable. If one class is more difficult to play than another class, that's fine. However, if one class is head over heals better than another class at the job role (in this class tank) then something's not working right.

---

So much anger, look at it like this. You knew how it was going to be back in beta, heck everyone did, even at those low levels you could see a difference that early on. I debated on playing a war over pally and after looking at my experiences i just couldn't see a warrior as being a valid boss tank with out having massive heals. So if you were in beta or read anything about the class it was already known so you really don't have any room to complain since you knew this about them from the start. I dont know if you just thought the world would change when you hit or got close to 50 or what but even at 35 you could tell a difference in the 2 tanks. Like i said earlier, you got an apple hoping it would taste like an orange and its not going to and if these changes are made to war as some of the posts on here it will pretty much remove the pally class totally. So its telling me its not about having a balance it just about wanting to be better then someone else....