Enforce this or no?

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Originally Posted by Leonas

ACtually. I already saw someone requiring Relic weapon for anyone wanting to do HM Titan. I mean... lolwut. Its a reward for beating it. >_> And now people want you to have it to clear it. <_<

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Lol, I have seen people spamming relic weapon for CM speed runs....lol fail. You can do speed runs in vendor gear. If you need a relic weapon and DL gear for a CM seepd run you should feel bad, it does not go any faster.

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Originally Posted by Sinth

Chimera and Hydra are both easy fights which have no enrage timers or environmental limitations. There is no reason a group of fresh 50s with AF cannot complete both fights.

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The OP's point is that by keeping these low gear players out of Chimera and Hydra it stops them trying to go to Garuda and Titan in their trash gear.

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Originally Posted by Ruprect

Lol, I have seen people spamming relic weapon for CM speed runs....lol fail. You can do speed runs in vendor gear. If you need a relic weapon and DL gear for a CM seepd run you should feel bad, it does not go any faster.

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A group of full DL+ Relic weapons will do alot more damage then a group of AF+level30 trash weapons so yes it does go faster.

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Originally Posted by Rymia

The OP's point is that by keeping these low gear players out of Chimera and Hydra it stops them trying to go to Garuda and Titan in their trash gear.



A group of full DL+ Relic weapons will do alot more damage then a group of AF+level30 trash weapons so yes it does go faster.

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No, I have done it both ways numerous time. It literally can be like 3-5 mins faster in a full DL group. OMG you might save yourself 15-20 mins a day. I have pugged it in the DF as fast as the SR group went that I got into. You can only go so fast.

People can do what they want, if they want that I will just lol and do my thing. I just think it is funny to do CM in full DL gear when the only point of farming it is to get DL gear.

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Originally Posted by Rymia

The OP's point is that by keeping these low gear players out of Chimera and Hydra it stops them trying to go to Garuda and Titan in their trash gear.



A group of full DL+ Relic weapons will do alot more damage then a group of AF+level30 trash weapons so yes it does go faster.

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Then OP's point is irrelevant as iLevel limits will be released for DF instances in the near future.

My FC beat Ifrit with 5 PLD's for the shits and giggles. Trash is relative.

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Originally Posted by Sinth

Then OP's point is irrelevant as iLevel limits will be released for DF instances in the near future.

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This.

When iLvl requirements get slapped on instances, then all this " You're too undergeared because we say so. " will end up being irrevelant. At this point you can meet the GAME'S requirement for the iLvl and tell the people wanting you to be overgeared for some fight to go take a long walk off a short pier for THEIR ludicrously huge requirement of overgearing for everything below that iLvl dungeon to go take a long walk off a bloody short pier.

I see these posts daily, yet have not seen a single gearing guide. I don't think these people lazy to gear. I think they don't know how/where to get the gear.

Where are the guides on whst gear you should have for X instance and where/how to get it?

Acrually, after many Titan attempts, I never seen people dying because of gear. I've seen people dying because someone stood in the AoEs, didn't move correctly, didn't avoid bombs, ignored the gaols, people dead during heart phase (and, of course, bad server visual lag).
Not a single time because of bad gear.
Then 1-2 wipes and everyone's leave, so nobody can really learn. And then they blame each other's gear.

It's ridiculous.