Dev[1033]Class names

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Originally Posted by Thsscks

So you are basically saying is that you are against progress? Good luck with that!

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Notice the word everything.

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Originally Posted by Thsscks

So replacing generic names with other generic names is a good thing to do in your opinion? And I haven't said anything about names such as gladiator. I have only talked about the name thaumaturge versus names like red mage, blue mage, etc. So don't try to change my words or message.

ps: If you want me to take you seriously cut the capslock thing, it's really unnecessary..

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First off, grow up. I'm using caps for emphasis, not for screaming. If you want to debate the uniqueness of Thaumaturge over any of the classic FF mage names, that's fine. Thaumaturge essentially means magic user, magician, a catch-all. The fact that it's actually in the dictionary just goes to show how generic it is.

Again, there is nothing generic about Red Mage, White Mage, Black Mage, etc. They are unique because they were created by Hironobu Sakaguchi.

http://www.eorzeapedia.com/2011/04/0...ditional-jobs/

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Originally Posted by Warp

First off, grow up. I'm using caps for emphasis, not for screaming. If you want to debate the uniqueness of Thaumaturge over any of the classic FF mage names, that's fine. Thaumaturge essentially means magic user, magician, a catch-all. The fact that it's actually in the dictionary just goes to show how generic it is.

Again, there is nothing generic about Red Mage, White Mage, Black Mage, etc. They are unique because they were created by Hironobu Sakaguchi.

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Heh.

Little Known Fact. They were created by Tanaka. :P

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Originally Posted by Warp

First off, grow up. I'm using caps for emphasis, not for screaming. If you want to debate the uniqueness of Thaumaturge over any of the classic FF mage names, that's fine. Thaumaturge essentially means magic user, magician, a catch-all. The fact that it's actually in the dictionary just goes to show how generic it is.

Again, there is nothing generic about Red Mage, White Mage, Black Mage, etc. They are unique because they were created by Hironobu Sakaguchi.

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Just because he came up with them doesn't mean they are great names. If the Japanese ones are so great then why don't we come up with new ones for English or change the current Japanese ones from the *terribly* bland ones we have now? Also the job Conjurer currently is functions more like Scholar from FFXI. I don't think we can just tack a classic name on it if it doesn't fit the bill.

Did you enjoy all the fun ways of showing emphasis that don't involve Caps Locks, thus potentially misconstruing the meaning of your sentence?

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Originally Posted by Wobi

Just because he came up with them doesn't mean they are great names. If the Japanese ones are so great then why don't we come up with new ones for English or change the current Japanese ones from the *terribly* bland ones we have now? Also the job Conjurer currently is functions more like Scholar from FFXI. I don't think we can just tack a classic name on it if it doesn't fit the bill.

Did you enjoy all the fun ways of showing emphasis that don't involve Caps Locks, thus potentially misconstruing the meaning of your sentence?

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The Classes in XIV are generic because all they are supposed to be is your weapon. Gladiator = Sword, Pugilist = Knuckles, Marauder = Axe, Archer = Bows, Lancer = Lance, Conjurer = Circle AOE, Thaumaturge = Cone AOE.

You learn skills by using weapons then mix and match the skills together to make up your own Character not a class or job.

They already said they will be implementing the Classic FF Jobs to instill a sense of Role for players should they chose. And make it easy for other players to identify that "Hey that Gladiator is a Thief, not a Paladin."

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

The Classes in XIV are generic because all they are supposed to be is your weapon. Gladiator = Sword, Pugilist = Knuckles, Marauder = Axe, Archer = Bows, Lancer = Lance, Conjurer = Circle AOE, Thaumaturge = Cone AOE.

You learn skills by using weapons then mix and match the skills together to make up your own Character not a class or job.

They already said they will be implementing the Classic FF Jobs to instill a sense of Role for players should they chose. And make it easy for other players to identify that "Hey that Gladiator is a Thief, not a Paladin."

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Oh I know, I was just giving an alternative to their idea under a worst case scenario that the renamed the base classes for some silly reason. I posted the idea of branching off into specialization classes/jobs on Zam like 3 months ago, I've been on board with the concept before they even mentioned it.

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Originally Posted by Wobi

Just because he came up with them doesn't mean they are great names. If the Japanese ones are so great then why don't we come up with new ones for English or change the current Japanese ones from the *terribly* bland ones we have now? Also the job Conjurer currently is functions more like Scholar from FFXI. I don't think we can just tack a classic name on it if it doesn't fit the bill.

Did you enjoy all the fun ways of showing emphasis that don't involve Caps Locks, thus potentially misconstruing the meaning of your sentence?

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RDM:
Akamadoushi

BLM:
Kuromadoushi

WHM:
Shiromadoushi

BLU:
Aomadoushi

Which all comes down to being adherent in the magic class (red, black, white, blue) when prior to FF mainstream wise, you've never heard of different type of mages, you've heard of Mage or Elf or Thaumaturge, Magician, Druid etc. I'm biased, but it is a lot more creative than "Sword user".

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Originally Posted by Wobi

Oh I know, I was just giving an alternative to their idea under a worst case scenario that the renamed the base classes for some silly reason. I posted the idea of branching off into specialization classes/jobs on Zam like 3 months ago, I've been on board with the concept before they even mentioned it.

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Yeah, I remember Tanaka and I Think either Komoto or Yasu talking about how they were trying to create a title system that identified you for a Classic Job name based on what your weapon and skills were.

I'm hoping whats coming is an evolution of that. a Basic title system that grants a Title and then bonuses for if you maintain a skill loadout that matches the title but still allows the customization from the Armoury System.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

They already said they will be implementing the Classic FF Jobs to instill a sense of Role for players should they chose. And make it easy for other players to identify that "Hey that Gladiator is a Thief, not a Paladin."

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ok i realize now the ignorance in the original post so lets change the question from what class name you would like, to what specific job names you would like and maybe how you think they should parse the jobs to differentiate a "gladiator into jobs like a thief or paladin."

would it be good to have the different jobs automatically selected through what skills you have equipped or

would it be better to have the choice be presented at like level 20 "choose your job" and have it differentiate that way.

what would people like better?