Nomenclature is Important

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

Also I removed "WoW" from the first post. Happy?

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Not sure why it has to come to that. If you don't study the competition you don't learn much. It's like the guys that consider themselves authors but aren't well-read nor bother to read anything.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Not sure why it has to come to that. If you don't study the competition you don't learn much. It's like the guys that consider themselves authors but aren't well-read nor bother to read anything.

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I've been to busy to actually read novels and books lately.

But I do listen to audiobooks on audible when I drive and exercise.

Anyway.

I don't know why she made a stink about me using WoW as an example. Apparently over 12 million people play so at least one person would understand the example I was trying to make.

was a good read. And op is correct about the classes. Simply put, we change our classes just by changing our weapon. And we can use the abilities we learned on other classes. Unlike ffxi or other mmo, where our job and classes have set skills and abilities. Unless this changes, then it hasn't changed.

Nice post Cairdeas. ^-^ It was a good read.

Is the fatigue system really being removed?

Fatigue or Surplus? Fatigue as in gathering fatigue, not the reduced gain in SP.

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Originally Posted by Iron

Fatigue or Surplus? Fatigue as in gathering fatigue, not the reduced gain in SP.

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Right now they only confirmed SP Fatigue, I do not know about gathering Fatigue. Gathering Fatigue is a anti-RMT measure not a pacing measure.

I know what it is :P People tend to use the terms fatigue and surplus interchangeably. But in the case of DoLs, it means 2 different things; SP Surplus (pacing measure as you call it) and gathering fatigue (i.e. the limit on the items you can gather over a certain time).

Maybe SE themselves should come up with clearly distinct terms for the 2. *shrug*

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Originally Posted by Iron

I know what it is :P People tend to use the terms fatigue and surplus interchangeably. But in the case of DoLs, it means 2 different things; SP Surplus (pacing measure as you call it) and gathering fatigue (i.e. the limit on the items you can gather over a certain time).

Maybe SE themselves should come up with clearly distinct terms for the 2. *shrug*

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If they called the SP system Rested XP no one would have complained :P

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

Instead of it being "Your Rested for XP" Earn xp "Your normal XP" it becomes "Your normal XP" earn xp "Your under detrimental XP"

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That's an oversimplification. The surplus/fatigue system in FFXIV is nothing like the "rested" XP system in those other MMO's that have it.

In no other game does grinding eventually reduce your experience earned to zero. Yes, it only happens to those few crazy enough to do it (or cheat their way to it), but it is still there.

Fatigue is not "rested SP becoming normal SP". It is "Normal SP becoming penalized SP, with the penalty increasing over time". This goes beyond semantics.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

If they called the SP system Rested XP no one would have complained :P

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If it truly was Rested XP, they would have called it that.

You are absolutely correct about nomenclature. SE needs to bring some brand recognition to the game. Most people still call Lalafell Tarus, Miqo'te Mithra, and Roegadyn Galkas.

If shortened names are what you're looking for, call 'em Lalas, Miqos, and Roegs.