Give Dawntrail the ARR post patch treatment

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

I see what you did there.

It isn't great either. It's half-baked slop. I actually rate this story worse than games like Forspoken.

But hey, you do you.

Some people also think your regular Rustlers burger is a Michelin star meal.

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You don't bake burgers, you grill them. You've mixed your metaphor. I'm sorry to hear Dawntrail want to your personal taste but at the end of the day the majority of the players enjoyed it, you can't deny that fact.

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Originally Posted by Exmo

You don't bake burgers, you grill them. You've mixed your metaphor. I'm sorry to hear Dawntrail want to your personal taste but at the end of the day the majority of the players enjoyed it, you can't deny that fact.

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I wonder what alternate reality you come from.

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Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora

I wonder what alternate reality you come from.

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Its literally reality denial. In a different thread, they were unwilling to explain why (on Metacritic) 1000 people giving Shadowbringers a score of ~9.1/10 is seen as normal feedback, but 1000 people giving Dawntrail a score of 5.1/10 is considered awful review bombing made by people who went out of their way to hate on Dawntrail.
IMHO, its okay to have enjoyed Dawntrail, mind you. Even then one would expect people to be aware enough that something they enjoy may not be everyones cup of tea, or may still be flawed in one way or the other.

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Originally Posted by ovIm

Its literally reality denial. In a different thread, they were unwilling to explain why (on Metacritic) 1000 people giving Shadowbringers a score of ~9.1/10 is seen as normal feedback, but 1000 people giving Dawntrail a score of 5.1/10 is considered awful review bombing made by people who went out of their way to hate on Dawntrail.
IMHO, its okay to have enjoyed Dawntrail, mind you. Even then one would expect people to be aware enough that something they enjoy may not be everyones cup of tea, or may still be flawed in one way or the other.

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I explained it. You just didn't like the answer and refused to understand, then you got upset and ran away :D iirc you spent most of that thread being irate with me for liking Dawntrail - it's good to see your attitude has calmed down since then.

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Originally Posted by Exmo

I explained it. You just didn't like the answer and refused to understand, then you got upset and ran away :D iirc you spent most of that thread being irate with me for liking Dawntrail - it's good to see your attitude has calmed down since then.

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You literally said you would not answer because you considered me rude (after being incredibly rude yourself, which was ironic, btw), so I simply ignored you from then on out because there is no discussion with you (and because you stated you would stop replying to me, so replies would have been wasted anyhow). No running away happened, but it seems right for you to see it that way :)
I will not reply to any other prompts from you btw, there are other forum users disagreeing with me where a discussion is actually productive and can challenge my views. You take care.

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Originally Posted by Exmo

You don't bake burgers, you grill them. You've mixed your metaphor. I'm sorry to hear Dawntrail want to your personal taste but at the end of the day the majority of the players enjoyed it, you can't deny that fact.

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A vast majority according to whom and what statistic? I don't think you or anyone speaks on behalf of a vast majority

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

tbh for me it already happened on some level because Wuk tainted all female Hrothgar for me. I absolutely cannot stand to see them in game now and will disregard and have no interest in any NPC that is a femgar to the point I skip all their dialog during quests. Even when I see other players who have a female Hrothgar I will unconciously roll my eyes and even just completely disregard them. I have never had this sort of reaction to an in game race in my nearly 40 years of gaming, outside of Githyanki who are just horribly ugly with that "someone stole my nose" thing they have going on. They worked "so hard" on giving us a new race, only to instantly ruin it. At least when they gave us the males we got Runar and Magnus, who were instantly endearing.

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That seems very extreme. I get your point, but hating players for it seems very immature. But whatever rocks your boat hun.

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Originally Posted by Exmo

No thank you, the story is fine as is. Please disregard.

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Sorry but the story is very bad. Story is so boring it put me to sleep. This is the only expansion that story has ever put me to sleep.

Could SE have done better? Yes. Absolutely.
But crying foul and demanding a DT 2.0 and straight up striking a main character out of the expansion is just nonsense, and no amount of waving arms around about that will make them rethink.

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Originally Posted by Yoshihara

There are too many lines that repeat themselves in the MSQ, even voiced ones. A lot of the MSQ quests could do with trimming significantly in terms of go find 3 people, point at robot for the blindingly obvious, listen to how everyone is a sterile clone of each other and echoes each other's opinions.

It's going to go down in history, or already has gone down in history as the expansion people will struggle to advertise to new players to try and grin and bear through, EVEN if hypothetically the next expansion is amazing.

For the sake of helping the game in the long run, I am suggesting to the team to work on trying to cut as much as possible out of this expansion that simply isn't necessary, or repeated dialogue. There is a lot of fat to trim, I don't think anyone, including people who somehow enjoyed this expansion would miss it given how much of it repeats itself or doesn't contribute to the story.

Maybe from less exposure to the characters as a result of a shorter expansion, people would have less of a vitriolic sentiment towards the characters introduced in Dawntrail, thus easing the burden future expansions would have to carry.

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I expected the DT story to be on par with ARR. Which to an extent it was. The fetch 3 things, talk with 3 people was always there in all expansions, not just this one and to more or less the same frequency. The "Talk with Wuk Lamat" is no different from talk to "x" character. It is simply to move the story along.

Now I will not defend the writing in itself, it was pretty boring. I liked the first half because we were exploring a new continent and there was a mystery to it. I enjoyed that aspect, but the continuous repetition if statements that had no further meaning than last time did overstay it's welcome. I liked Lamat'y, and thought she was endearing, but she needed more of a personality than "peace and happiness". If the writers wanted more focus on her, that is fine, but they needed to flesh out her quirks, likes, dislikes and fears/faults. Not just she likes to eat, she loves her Papa, she loves Peace and has seasickness + fear of heights. Those are very raw points that are not presented in a way for us to relate/like the character more.

I wouldn't be for an ARR post-patch like cut for the DT MSQ. But rather I would like to see them make a redo of the story. Rewrite it and implement it in a more polished state. I feel like the players have described everything they didn't like, so taking that into account, maybe a polish to the story would be good.

As well as for the love of Zeus, can you guys voice all cutscenes? I recently played Poppy Playtime chapter 4 and was shocked how this indie studio with this more niche game could have all their characters voiced, but a massive game like FFXIV couldn't.