Will DRG and PLD still be next to useless in 2.0?

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Originally Posted by TimonLoon

And as someone that loves PLD and has both jobs leveled there is almost no encounter where I prefer to go PLD because WAR just makes things infinitely easier.

Skirmish better with WAR.
Garuda better with WAR.
Ifrit (about the same)
Moogle better with PLD.
CC/AV better with WAR.

Don't get confused between my saying that things are easier with WAR over PLD as opposed to what some other people are saying that PLD can't do anything. All encounters are doable with PLD but as I've stated over and over... WAR beats it under many situations.

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yes WAR is easier to play then PLD yet it doesnt change the fact that PLD is better for your group in many ways. Easier on WHM, can cure others, can keep themselves alive longer then WAR, can raise, invincible, cover, AoE hate abilities. WAR can build up initial hate faster, has a decent self heal, and can do more damage (in most situations).

They are both useful but to try and make PLD look useless is a joke it is far from useless.

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Originally Posted by Tabula

Wait if BLM = Easy mode wouldn't that insinuate that they make things easier because they're better?

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^ This lol.

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Originally Posted by TimonLoon

The only encounter in the game where PLD is better is Moogle Mog. And even that's arguable. PLD is in need of some serious buffs going into 2.0. The main problem with PLD is that it excels at virtually nothing. For almost every situation; WAR is better and deals more damage.

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While I agree with a large portion of what you said I have to dissagree with this. I've always found WAR to be superior during moogles, even more so since they droped the TP cost on WW.
The only fights I can think of off hand that matter where PLD seems to be prefered are Ifrit Extreme and 17 min speed run Chimera.

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Originally Posted by Req

And here is why DRGs can also be used for cutters cry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lY0r...ure=plpp_video

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Yeah but it took the people in your DRG video 3 min it takes the people in my BLM video only 2.

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Originally Posted by Req

Using a drg instead of a second warrior is way better for Garuda because you do more damage to garuda herself and it helps get the magic resistant clone down very quickly withotu sacrificing AoE damage for the plumes in the first phase.

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Why bother killing the clones imo, just burn the boss.

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Originally Posted by Req

My opinion isn't "Edgy" it is based on experience from doing every instance hundreds of times.

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I've done them hunderades of times too, based on our XIVpads profiles we seem pretty on par with eachother. So it's not like I'm not equally informed.

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

But you have never beaten CC/AV or Garuda..

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CC yea. AV/Garuda no because PUGs are terrible. But to say that you need to beat the encounter to know what's going on is stupid and you know it.

All that was said above against the blindness of the OP, plus the fact that Speed Runs will only be for Achievement Hunters means this entire argument is irrelevant.

DRG is a beast of a class to all who know how to play it right.
PLD can tank pretty much anything in this game in a comparable manner to Warrior.

And all of this is based off of pretty much no knowledge of how Battle Regime will effect the game.

So let's stop with the negative nancy threads already?

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Originally Posted by TimonLoon

CC yea. AV/Garuda no because PUGs are terrible. But to say that you need to beat the encounter to know what's going on is stupid and you know it.

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You base your analysis of WAR and PLD off PUG runs?

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Originally Posted by Velhart

You base your analysis of WAR and PLD based off PUG runs?

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Yes because as I've stated - this is my opinion based on playing the jobs. PUG or not won't really change that outlook much.

Inb4 lol you must suck. So before you say that... Being bad at this game is like being normal and losing at the Special Olympics. ;/

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Originally Posted by Mijin

Why bother killing the clones imo, just burn the boss.

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Lmao, case closed. I hope you realize how clueless you are now talking about stuff you never encounter before.

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Originally Posted by TimonLoon

CC yea. AV/Garuda no because PUGs are terrible. But to say that you need to beat the encounter to know what's going on is stupid and you know it.

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You have never won them, you don't have chimera and misser kill and of course you need to actually beat it to compare both class......

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Originally Posted by Chardrizard

Lmao, case closed. I hope you realize how clueless you are now talking about stuff you never encounter before.




You have never won them, you don't have chimera and misser kill and of course you need to actually beat it to compare both class......

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I've beat Chimera (CC). Also you're looking at the wrong character. You can stop digging cause I've already told you. lol

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...jpg?1321408042

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Originally Posted by TimonLoon

Yes because as I've stated - this is my opinion based on playing the jobs. PUG or not won't really change that outlook much.

Inb4 lol you must suck. So before you say that... Being bad at this game is like being normal and losing at the Special Olympics. ;/

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Just because it is your opinion doesn't mean it isn't wrong, you should probably just stop you are basing all this off of low experience. It is ok to be wrong you have to be wrong some times to learn something, you can chalk this up to a learning experience.

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Originally Posted by Tabula

Wait if BLM = Easy mode wouldn't that insinuate that they make things easier because they're better?

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Not one bit. I would rather kill faster and survive better with strong DD, than take the easier and lazier route stacking blm. The only problem is you need people who know wtf they are doing. Why does this even need explained ...

People overuse blm and underestimate the power of other classes. You don't just stand in one spot with melee DD .

Slowly losing Faith in this community.