Flare Star needs to be bigger

Why does a lvl 100 spell that has a cast time and requires you to do 6 fires to get to it only 400 potency? Shouldn't it be like either instant cast or like... 2k potency?

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Originally Posted by Ayalu

Its weird that it gets a lackluster effect considering Flarestar is the Signiture Ability of Kuja the main villain of FF9.

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Sad thing is, they could do it like kuja's where it forms around the target then explodee. Hell, it even starts from multiple firey orbs surrounding the target, that could literally be the astral motes we have to build in the UI gauge.

https://youtu.be/Ujs1iYpCLsI?si=FGvHLW3_hZx-oMjN

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

Why does a lvl 100 spell that has a cast time and requires you to do 6 fires to get to it only 400 potency? Shouldn't it be like either instant cast or like... 2k potency?

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To be fair, potency on BLM is iffy, as there is a multiplier for potency with enochian and astral fire. If I recall, it's actually somewhere between 800 and 900. So not 400 piddly, but still kinda pathetic.

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Originally Posted by LilyPendragon

To be fair, potency on BLM is iffy, as there is a multiplier for potency with enochian and astral fire. If I recall, it's actually somewhere between 800 and 900. So not 400 piddly, but still kinda pathetic.

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AF3 is a 1.8 multiplier. You could double Flare Star's base potency to 800 and, with AF, it'd be 1440, so basically the same as Picto's Madeen or Star Prism. That's how weak Flare Star is btw, takes way more setup and, even if you doubled its potency, it'd only be "ok" (Prism has a heal and is an instant cast, Muses/Mog/Madeen is an ogcd you get every 40s). Absolute disgrace of a capstone for level 100, not gonna lie.

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Originally Posted by Osh1mA

You need to multiply by enochian modifier to compare potency with other jobs.

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From the post below, this is actually true. It needs an additional 1.3 multiplier (both come out to 2.34). Even then, you could still double Flare Star's potency and it'd be ok.
Well... technically, that would enable single-target Flare to be optimal, which would actually be interesting, if I'm being honest, as a way to re-enable short fire lines :')

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Originally Posted by Galvuu

AF3 is a 1.8 multiplier. You could double Flare Star's base potency to 800 and, with AF, it'd be 1440, so basically the same as Picto's Madeen or Star Prism. That's how weak Flare Star is btw, takes way more setup and, even if you doubled its potency, it'd only be "ok" (Prism has a heal and is an instant cast, Muses/Mog/Madeen is an ogcd you get every 30s). Absolute disgrace of a capstone for level 100, not gonna lie.

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You need to multiply by enochian modifier to compare potency with other jobs.

Personally, as someone whose favorite element is ice, I'd just like the ice phase to be longer and more impactful than "press 2 spells to regen MP"

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Originally Posted by KooriGraywolf

Personally, as someone whose favorite element is ice, I'd just like the ice phase to be longer and more impactful than "press 2 spells to regen MP"

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They should lean into the many elements more.
Like, a UI high power spell that's Ice+Thunder with a dot, or an ice/darkness (or even fire/darkness) spell would also be thematically fitting.
But we had a fire/ice spell, Paradox, and they got rid of half of its uses, so they clearly have no creative juice left :)

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Originally Posted by Galvuu

AF3 is a 1.8 multiplier. You could double Flare Star's base potency to 800 and, with AF, it'd be 1440, so basically the same as Picto's Madeen or Star Prism. That's how weak Flare Star is btw, takes way more setup and, even if you doubled its potency, it'd only be "ok" (Prism has a heal and is an instant cast, Muses/Mog/Madeen is an ogcd you get every 30s). Absolute disgrace of a capstone for level 100, not gonna lie.


From the post below, this is actually true. It needs an additional 1.3 multiplier (both come out to 2.34). Even then, you could still double Flare Star's potency and it'd be ok.
Well... technically, that would enable single-target Flare to be optimal, which would actually be interesting, if I'm being honest, as a way to re-enable short fire lines :')

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Creature muses have a 40s CD, not 30s

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Originally Posted by Osh1mA

You need to multiply by enochian modifier to compare potency with other jobs.

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That puts it at 936 potency with the AF modifier and Enochian compared to 1400 star prism, 1400 Madeen, 1100 creature muses, 1740 critical hit hammer, 1000 Rainbow Drip, etc. Considering what it takes to build Flare Star, it should be more in par with NIN's Hyosho which is like 1900 potency.

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Originally Posted by KooriGraywolf

Personally, as someone whose favorite element is ice, I'd just like the ice phase to be longer and more impactful than "press 2 spells to regen MP"

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I liked how ice phase worked prior to DT while in Bozja, because Bozja has substantial MP drains, which makes it effectively required to be going into Ice early and often and for parts of your burst.

One of the many many problems I have with DT BLM is that MP regen in ice is just messier all around and tied specifically to casting ice spells, so you don't have the satisfaction of going into ice to splat out your Xenoglossy.