Will there be SOLO queue for PVP in Dawntrail

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

Plus this isn't tensor calculus, it's simple arithmetic. Premades on NA consistently report a win-rate of 80%. That leaves 20% to be divided between the other two teams. Hence you figure to lose 9/10. The only way to avoid the conclusion is if premades are lying about their win-rate, and while as a culture they do seem to have difficulties telling the truth, on this issue I tend to believe them.

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As much as I would like to talk about win rates I'll stay silent. If I've made no convincing arguments then when I joined the forums there's no sense of trying now. If this does go to solo q only I may attempt to push towards a 40% win rate overall to prove a point. If I get addicted to frontlines once more for the fun of it, 45%. Currently everything is 33% after 2.6k games as I type this.

I've finished getting all the achievements that I want to get from FLs about a month ago or so after close to 2.5k campaigns, most were done before I start actually partying up with friends to start the daily spams. Since then I only queue solo once a day very occasionally (low priority), or do more than 5 a day if a friendo wants to party up together.

If they take away party queue, I'm just gonna bench Frontline for good. I don't like getting matched with bunch of defeatists. They ruin my enjoyment out of the game more than "premades", just like how those enablers in regular DF contents who pardons terribad plays in current contents just because "it's just roulette bro".

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

I've finished getting all the achievements that I want to get from FLs about a month ago or so after close to 2.5k campaigns, most were done before I start actually partying up with friends to start the daily spams. Since then I only queue solo once a day very occasionally (low priority), or do more than 5 a day if a friendo wants to party up together.

If they take away party queue, I'm just gonna bench Frontline for good. I don't like getting matched with bunch of defeatists. They ruin my enjoyment out of the game more than "premades", just like how those enablers in regular DF contents who pardons terribad plays in current contents just because "it's just roulette bro".

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You'll still get matched with a bunch of defeatists, but if you're meta-stacking you might create additional ones on the opposing teams.

Defeatism has a source.

I don't know about premades, but normally even in a party with my Guild members, i tend to see the winning faction being the one with the most organization; you don't need premades for that- it's just a question of having people with the initiative of doing callouts to help drive the flow of the ant army to various objectives, letting people know of possible incoming, pinches, etc. The groups with the most communication will always have the advantage; i won't say a guaranteed win, but a advantage.

There is also a bit of rng involved, there's going to be new people mixed into trail-mix of ants, even with the so-called 'premades' there is no 100% guarantee that there aren't going to be newer PvPers mixed in.

And i've tested the whole 3, 2 ,1, queue countdown with others many times and that's also rng, there is no real way to game the system and if there is, i don't know about; and frankly i don't want to know.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

You'll still get matched with a bunch of defeatists, but if you're meta-stacking you might create additional ones on the opposing teams.

Defeatism has a source.

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I've seen defeatism long before these "DRK premades ruins FL" even came to be. Meta stacking probably contributes, but it's not the only factor. I think it's unfair to laser focus on them & potentially undermining the other factors.

At the end of the day, what I have issue with is 'the unconducive mindset' (i.e. don't even try, vendetta, poor sportmanship, etc) rather than 'how they choose to play'. The only way for me to reduce that irritation to tolerable degree is to party up with my friends. We try to win, but if it's a loss then it is what it is, no hard feelings---off to another game we go.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

I've seen defeatism long before these "DRK premades ruins FL" even came to be. Meta stacking probably contributes, but it's not the only factor. I think it's unfair to laser focus on them & potentially undermining the other factors.

At the end of the day, what I have issue with is 'the unconducive mindset' (i.e. don't even try, vendetta, poor sportmanship, etc) rather than 'how they choose to play'. The only way for me to reduce that irritation to tolerable degree is to party up with my friends. We try to win, but if it's a loss then it is what it is, no hard feelings---off to another game we go.

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Well sure, defeatism/apathy has multiple sources, and the premade source and Q-synching long predates the DRK+ meta. But it's completely fair to note that I overfocus on premades. The likely reason for this is that I intensely dislike playing on the same team as a premade. But I agree with you that other sources of people simply not trying are important to understand and, in a perfect world, eradicate.

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Originally Posted by Bunny_Girl

I only engage in Crystal Conflict for the sake of obtaining my mount and seasonal rewards; honestly, the current rewards don't motivate me much. In my opinion, large-scale conflicts like Frontline are where each character truly shines the most.

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Good for you, but don't expect a 72/48man instance with 72/48 solo queuers anytime soon. Whole point of being able to party up in FL/RW is to have some control over with who you play with, making it less of a headache to rely exclusively on randoms.

Also, it's actually where each character shines less and certain jobs even less than others. Less players, more individual responsibility/impact and vice versa.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

Good for you, but don't expect a 72/48man instance with 72/48 solo queuers anytime soon. Whole point of being able to party up in FL/RW is to have some control over with who you play with, making it less of a headache to rely exclusively on randoms.

Also, it's actually where each character shines less and certain jobs even less than others. Less players, more individual responsibility/impact and vice versa.

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That may be the point, but due to player abuse, the history of FL has been to reduce the party size. That's why we're randomly assigned to a GC and why the queue subsequently went from full to light.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

That may be the point, but due to player abuse, the history of FL has been to reduce the party size. That's why we're randomly assigned to a GC and why the queue subsequently went from full to light.

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8-man queue as an option along with GC-lock was actually kinda awful, I agree. But what we have now is miles away from that and definitely miles away from solo-queue-only.

I think it is a healthy middle.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

8-man queue as an option along with GC-lock was actually kinda awful, I agree. But what we have now is miles away from that and definitely miles away from solo-queue-only.

I think it is a healthy middle.

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I think what people are looking for is the option of a solo-only queue. You may not agree with the growing hostility towards premades, but the fact is it exists. The twin queue idea has been criticized on the grounds that if there were two queue modes, one that allows light parties and one that does not, the former would never pop. I find this somewhat amusing.