Can we insert negative consequences for stacking jobs in FL?

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Originally Posted by Xylira

You forgot that they also have 50% more health, so they can survive burst damage a lot easier as well.

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Pretty sure BH doesn't give any increase to HP or Defense, only Damage and Healing including Recuperate.

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Originally Posted by kayll

Pretty sure BH doesn't give any increase to HP or Defense, only Damage and Healing including Recuperate.

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I could have sworn it did, it always feels like an uphill battle trying to take out high BH players compared to lower BH players. Might just be that shields and healing scale so significantly with it, which again is an issue with recuperate and how many more classes get shields.

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Originally Posted by Xylira

I could have sworn it did, it always feels like an uphill battle trying to take out high BH players compared to lower BH players. Might just be that shields and healing scale so significantly with it, which again is an issue with recuperate and how many more classes get shields.

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Its probably cause melee have an innate 50% less damage taken so they tend to die less and keep BH, while ranged only have 25% less damage taken, and RDM and DNC have 35%.

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Originally Posted by kayll

Its probably cause melee have an innate 50% less damage taken so they tend to die less and keep BH, while ranged only have 25% less damage taken, and RDM and DNC have 35%.

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That I knew. It's likely that in combination with the buff to healing scales so much with BH that it makes it significantly harder to kill high BH players.

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Originally Posted by Valence

I think it could be better to actually give drawbacks to it, like reduced DR, and/or a lot more penalty tactical points when you die with a BH, and the higher the more points the team loses.

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Yeah, I'm not sure how it's survived so long with no drawbacks. It's kind of a weird break from traditional SE design.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

Battle high may be the last, best hope to actually encourage people to engage in fights. Although that'll likely never happen on Shatter.

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I've been doing a bit of testing and I found it easier to encourage pvp by playing tank jobs and ccing targets and groups for people to scoot in and burst on. It's something at least.

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Originally Posted by Xylira

I could have sworn it did, it always feels like an uphill battle trying to take out high BH players compared to lower BH players. Might just be that shields and healing scale so significantly with it, which again is an issue with recuperate and how many more classes get shields.

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It's just the skill difference, and I'm not even trying to be edgy or elitist about it. They're hard to kill because they use their defensive toolkit correctly at the proper time, as well as positioning with a lot more care and thought, especially since the pvp rework they can't just bring their pocket healer with Rescue, or Fetter Ward their way out of any trap. It is however possible that recuperate gets buffed by it though, haven't really paid attention.

Just give salted earth and other aoes a cap of 5, excluding limit breaks.
These aoes are balanced around CC not frontlines

The devs should prevent Battle High for multiple jobs in the same party lol

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Originally Posted by Wilford111

The devs should prevent Battle High for multiple jobs in the same party lol

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How would that work when you have two people who queue up separately but are on the same job? You can't just punish a player because someone choose to play the same job as you.

Make it so that once you are KO'd, you cannot respawn into the same job and must change to another to trigger the respawn for your next frontlines 'life'. Existing abusers won't quick-throw that 2nd job life to then respawn back into the first, because they would lose battle high (perhaps make it so you lose ALL battle high from now on too). To make this fair, limit break bar no longer gets reset when changing jobs. Players must now have at least 2 jobs unlocked in order to use frontlines etc.