Summoner 7.0 Wishlist

Remove Physick and Resurrection. Leave the healing to Scholar; turn Summoner into pure Magic DPS. Arcanist can do both (but not as good as either) since it's the pre-requisite Class for the two Jobs, but we need to specialize once the Jobs are in play.

Since we don't have DOTs anymore, give our Carbuncle the ability to attack again; if our Fairy can heal on it's own, Carbuncle should be able to deal damage on it's own.

Since our “summons” aren't actually summons in the previous sense of the word (from previous expansions) anymore, and are more temporary techniques akin to the Demi-Summons of Bahamut and Phoenix, let us have the other three Primals as “summons”. Having Ramuh, Leviathan, and Shiva would let this job feel complete and more like the old-school Summoners of previous games. Preferably, have them aligned with each elemental polarity; wind, lightning, and fire for Phoenix, and water, ice, and earth for Bahamut.

Add some more complexity to the rotation other than just Ruin/Tri-Disaster spam until summons are available → Gemshine/Precious Brilliance spam once summons are usable → Ruin/Tri-Disaster spam until summons are available again. Make Bahamut and Phoenix feel like different summons again. Maybe add some kind of resource management to spice things up.

Add some more glamour for our egis; personally, I like to keep my summons in Carbuncle form, so corresponding colors to any possible new summons would be great.

If they're going to remove Resurrection and leave the healing to Scholar, then I demand a better weapon.

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Originally Posted by remiff

They had marketed 6.0 Summoner as a job with a real strategic aspect in the choice of summons, but in the end, that's clearly not the case,
The only aspect that can sometimes be strategic is the gap closer, but it's limited to just that one part of the rotation.

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I keep seeing people say this and I don’t think that’s actually what he meant. When he said that he meant for the primals themselves if my memory serves me right. He said you will have to be strategic in which primals to use for mechanics like for example. If you have to move allot then Titan and Garuda will be the ones to use and if the boss is standing still for a bit then Ifrit will be the one to use.

I means obviously you can’t use Ifrit if there is allot of movement going on. Right? So technically he was correct. Well you can use him but the ruby abilities you cannot since they have a cast time attached. I think his words are being twisted here a bit.

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Originally Posted by SweetPete

I keep seeing people say this and I don’t think that’s actually what he meant. When he said that he meant for the primals themselves if my memory serves me right. He said you will have to be strategic in which primals to use for mechanics like for example. If you have to move allot then Titan and Garuda will be the ones to use and if the boss is standing still for a bit then Ifrit will be the one to use.

I means obviously you can’t use Ifrit if there is allot of movement going on. Right? So technically he was correct. Well you can use him but the ruby abilities you cannot since they have a cast time attached. I think his words are being twisted here a bit.

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5,6second of cast and the rest gemshine instant cast spam is anything but strategic.

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Originally Posted by SweetPete

Summoner has always been flashy. Summoner is about summoning. My opinion is more summons please.

I know people saying it’s silly to give us ramuh, leviathan and shiva because it adds nothing to the job and it will only be recolours of what we currently have. It adds flashiness. Summoner in previous games always had these 6. They are the OG original and need to be added to make final fantasy XIV summoner feel complete. It just doesn’t feel complete without ramuh, shiva and Levi.

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There's no reason, other than devs not setting aside the proper time to develop the job feel, that the skills which were kept weren't reworked to be summons.

The Radiant Aegis shield shouldn't need Carbuncle to be deployed as an idle pet, it should summon Carbuncle to bestow a shield.

Fester has no connection to biological magic anymore because that no longer exists for SMN and should upgrade to 'Ramuh Trance' which manifests a ghostly Ramuh beside you to blast lightning the same way Deathflare manifests Bahamut's head.

Searing Light should create a vision of Sri Lakshmi or Susano or Ravana to buff everyone instead of being a nothingbeam from the summoner's body.

Even Physick could receive a flavor upgrade to 'Summon Mog' and flash King Mog into existence to cast Pom Cure for a trifling amount.

And they should rewrite and retcon whatever lore is necessary to have more summons at this point, because flinging magic missiles and book beams for 80% of your GCDs isn't summoning.

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Also if people want carbuncle to attack then resurrection and physic needs to go. The job can’t have it all.

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I don't want the pet to attack, I want the pet to not exist. Trying to preserve and expand the crappy demi-summon system instead of just making the summons into visual effects is what's hamstringing the job. I'll keep the utility rez and the meme heal, thanks.

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Originally Posted by vetch

I don't want the pet to attack, I want the pet to not exist. Trying to preserve and expand the crappy demi-summon system instead of just making the summons into visual effects is what's hamstringing the job. I'll keep the utility rez and the meme heal, thanks.

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well, it's not like it's the carbuncle's fault that they decided to ruin it with demi-summons. The demi summons could easily be visual effects and nothing more, the carbuncle worked so well before SB and before ghosting.

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Originally Posted by Ggwppino

5,6second of cast and the rest gemshine instant cast spam is anything but strategic.

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Hey I feel you lol. I’m just saying what he said about the whole strategic thing with summoner.

In my opinion, however, they sold something that isn't. Quite dishonest, Yoshi-P first and foremost, just so as not to immediately create discontent with EW's imminent release. They made fun of those who liked smn, or even were their favorite class. From those words we expected a heavy rework, but with the right tactics and optimization like the old one had, but instead it is nothing more than a spam broil without cast.

I do wish with you that Carbuncle should do something (although I'd rather it not exist as a useable pet if it's not possible) and Aethercharge making Ruin instant at lower levels sounds okay though since it IS pre-Astral Flare/Scarlet Flame. Do the same with the AoE actions as well and it's golden because why not.

I, too, would like to post wishes that will likely never come into fruition for funsies ...

- Remove Carbuncle; it becomes a visual effect similar Reaper on Carbuncle-based actions.
- Remove Physick from Arcanist.
- Give Radiant Aegis an effect that removes and/or protects from Esuna-able detrimental effects, allow it to be used on allies; allow Radiant Aegis to have different effect based on elemental attunement on use ... Long removed Radiant Shield but deals damage surrounding when absorbed/expired for Ifrit, Macrocosmos-based party shielding when absorbed/expired for Titan, not-really-Hallowed Ground for Garuda?? (it is a massive stretch, really)
- Add another Carbuncle-based ability that restores HP to self only based on INT at a cost to Aetherflow.
- Energy Drain upgrades to Energy Siphon; restores HP and MP based on targets hit.
- Remove Fester, replace with Painflare; remove Aetherflow cost for Painflare, give an effect that increases potency based on aetherflow charges.

- If you want "strategy", limit to only 2 summons per minute. Allow summons to fight alongside you for a short time, then go away.

- Swap attunement costs from elemental Ruin and Rite to Astral Flow-based actions instead (unlimited elemental Ruin and Rite until you summon something else).
- Allow Ruin III instant cast while under any elemental attunement.
- Ruin IV ... still exists as a free cleave from Energy Drain/Energy Siphon (leave the coolest Ruin effect alone please).
- Give cast times to Topaz Rite and Emerald Rite.
- Give Slipsteam reactive action to 'denonate' its pet windstorm.
- Give Mountain Buster an effect that makes the next Topaz Rite instant cast.
- Allow Crimson Cyclone and Crimson Strike to auto-crit and/or direct hit.
- Add another ability to recharge elemental attunement to maximum at an Aetherflow cost.

- Change Bahamut to have its PVP-variant's Megaflare cast on summon.
- Allow Rekindle to be applied on downed player characters for resurrection.

I would be all for getting rid of Carbuncle, it adds nothing and creates problems. We already summon Carbuncle at low levels and then move on to better summons. I was only thinking of the people that might have grown attached to little guy. Adding other ways of healing ourselves seems roundabout though ... why not just fix the one we do have? Other people want to remove it and rez entirely, don't entirely understand why but fair enough.