Wesk Alber's poll on Jobs

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Originally Posted by Renathras

No, that was Ty.

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No, it really is you. Everything I've said has been about how there are reasons why information like the census data isn't 100% accurate, which is quite literally a statement you could make about nearly any pool of data and be correct. That does not discount data in its entirety, but it's advice against treating that data as gospel, particularly because it's unofficial and limited in scope. Or reasons why Scholar and Astro may be less popular (something you decided to interpret as an attack on White Mage and Sage for some bizarre reason that I can't comprehend).

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

I'd wonder if the results are down to a newer or more casual minded viewer base? I've never heard of this channel before so that's purely conjecture on my part OFC.

WHM has always been the goto pick for casual healers even when it was at it's worst towards the end of HW. Now it's still pretty simple and straightforward to play and is actually in a good spot. If Sadge wasn't the new expansion job I'd wager WHM would be in first place TBH.

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Another thing to keep in mind which probably contributes to Sage's popularity is that it starts at 70. If I were a DPS player who, for some reason, wanted or needed to level a healer I would pick the one that requires me to spend the least amount of time leveling it, because sitting through boring dungeons with 4 skills for hours is just not a fun experience to me.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Another thing to keep in mind which probably contributes to Sage's popularity is that it starts at 70. If I were a DPS player who, for some reason, wanted or needed to level a healer I would pick the one that requires me to spend the least amount of time leveling it, because sitting through boring dungeons with 4 skills for hours is just not a fun experience to me.

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Why pick a healer at all then, you are still using 5 skills at Level 90

At level 40 you are using ruin, bio, AOW whispering dawn and lustrate
At level 90 you are using broil 4, biolysis, AOW2, whispering dawn and sacred soil

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Why pick a healer at all then, you are still using 5 skills at Level 90

At level 40 you are using ruin, bio, AOW whispering dawn and lustrate
At level 90 you are using broil 4, biolysis, AOW2, whispering dawn and sacred soil

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Two simple reasons, 1. fast queue times 2. most people don't even engage with the gameplay enough to realize how awful the healer design, or really any of the more recent design, actually is.

Best example is the 2 minute meta, most people who complain about the atrocious design of "just hit everything on cooldown" that Endwalker brought us already had a firm grasp on XIV's combat before this change, they most likely already dabbled in fight optimization and buff alignment when it actually took effort.

Your average MSQ enjoyer just presses random buttons at inconsistent timings and never notices anything wrong, they probably don't even know what the 2 minute meta is.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

Two simple reasons, 1. fast queue times 2. most people don't even engage with the gameplay enough to realize how awful the healer design, or really any of the more recent design, actually is.

Best example is the 2 minute meta, most people who complain about the atrocious design of "just hit everything on cooldown" that Endwalker brought us already had a firm grasp on XIV's combat before this change, they most likely already dabbled in fight optimization and buff alignment when it actually took effort.

Your average MSQ enjoyer just presses random buttons at inconsistent timings and never notices anything wrong, they probably don't even know what the 2 minute meta is.

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I mean more in response to your why picking a level 70 healer is better

Having 6 more oGCD’s than you realistically need doesn’t add anything to the job even for a MSQ enjoyer, even they aren’t going to randomly press oGCD’s when the tank is above 90% health and call it good gameplay

So in that vein it really doesn’t matter whether the healer you pick is WHM at 1, SCH/AST at 30 or SGE at 70 because even MSQ enjoyers can see they basically feel the same at every level

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

So in that vein it really doesn’t matter whether the healer you pick is WHM at 1, SCH/AST at 30 or SGE at 70 because even MSQ enjoyers can see they basically feel the same at every level

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There is a difference, if you are only leveling a healer for roulette queues then you obviously pick the one that you have to invest the least amount of time into.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

There is a difference, if you are only leveling a healer for roulette queues then you obviously pick the one that you have to invest the least amount of time into.

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I can’t imagine the Venn diagram of “notices a significant and meaningful difference between level 50 and level 90 healers that improves their perception of gameplay” and “regularly plays an off job for roulettes to makes queues go faster” has very significant overlap

Especially because the majority of those in the former group have been taught by Facebook and mainsub to be scared of shield healers for……reasons

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I can’t imagine the Venn diagram of “notices a significant and meaningful difference between level 50 and level 90 healers that improves their perception of gameplay” and “regularly plays an off job for roulettes to makes queues go faster” has very significant overlap

Especially because the majority of those in the former group have been taught by Facebook and mainsub to be scared of shield healers for……reasons

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They need a healer at max level for roulettes, so they pick the healer that requires the least amount of investment to get it to max level, it's really not that complicated.

This has never been about noticing a difference, that was only a comment from my perspective because I despise playing any job below max level, the job kits below 90 are incredibly clunky and often not even coherrent.

And why would they be scared of shield healers? They just don't make use of those, they just spam Diagnosis and whatever oGCD they happen to accidentally hit. The state of "casual" content in this game is at a point where you can play Sage like a pure healer and do just fine.

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Originally Posted by Absurdity

This has never been about noticing a difference. They need a healer at max level for roulettes, so they pick the healer that requires the least amount of investment to get it to max level, it's really not that complicated.

And why would they be scared of shield healers? They just don't make use of those, they just spam Diagnosis and whatever oGCD they happen to accidentally hit. The state of "casual" content in this game is at a point where you can play Sage like a pure healer and do just fine.

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I mean if they are so casual they are playing SGE like a pure healer why do they “need” a healer at level 90 for roulettes over any other job (say a tank if it’s a matter of queues)

This group of people that you are referring to just doesn’t make any logical sense as to their existence

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

I mean if they are so casual they are playing SGE like a pure healer why do they “need” a healer at level 90 for roulettes over any other job (say a tank if it’s a matter of queues)

This group of people that you are referring to just doesn’t make any logical sense as to their existence

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Because tank queues aren't actually that good in Endwalker. Even when tank was the supposed "adventurer in need" it still took 15 minutes for the queue to pop, whereas healers got instant queues.
But adventurer in need provides bonuses that you might want to take advantage of anyway, so having one of each role is beneficial.