Rival Wings balancing needs a major rework.

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Originally Posted by Cidel

Really though, the problem highlighted in these large-scale PvP is that LB generation is too fast in largescale modes. For the amount of shenanigans they can cause with stacking and synchronization (early Frontlines had this issue with caster LB before it was nerfed), they charge way too quickly for certain jobs, not helped by the passive accumulation just from running from one place to another on the maps. Most jobs shouldn't be getting off more than 2 LBs per match under normal circumstances. They should be calculated and impactful, not up and ready for every major engagement every one and a half to 2 minutes. This is also where passive LB regeneration when outside of battle is a problem as well. If they won't nerf LB gauges to be slower in general, they should at least prevent them from charging if you're not engaged (Frontlines Battle music playing) with an enemy. Only one of two of these solutions can feasibly happen, because they are system adjustments for Frontlines rules that can be tweaked rather than gutting individual job kits that will spill over into CC (which they never will do).

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2 LBs per match ? Absolutely no way. 1 LB roughly every 8 min when it's so central to the new pvp since 6.1 is silly. It's just a big cooldown you use like you would in other MMOs with pvp. If anything adjusting it to the regular 2min timer, or even 3 might be a good start. Partially because you'd have to choose if you want to use mid, merc, lanes, against mechs and so on. And even then some jobs would probably be too neutered as a result.

If a job is "neutered" without it's LB then you don't really know how to play it. The fact that post initial charge BLM always has LB running makes it a perfect poster child for the imbalance. BLM is really strong when you sequence correctly and don't go solo diving the enemy teams but when you have your LB up it basically negates the majority of the danger as you can free cast while chasing or retreating. Most people use their LB incorrectly anyway so it's kind of disingenuous to say it's central to play.

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Originally Posted by Elfidan

If a job is "neutered" without it's LB then you don't really know how to play it. The fact that post initial charge BLM always has LB running makes it a perfect poster child for the imbalance. BLM is really strong when you sequence correctly and don't go solo diving the enemy teams but when you have your LB up it basically negates the majority of the danger as you can free cast while chasing or retreating. Most people use their LB incorrectly anyway so it's kind of disingenuous to say it's central to play.

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Tell that to sam players.

only thing that keep them from being totally useless is their lb.

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Originally Posted by Llynethil

Tell that to sam players.

only thing that keep them from being totally useless is their lb.

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I mean I've already said it over and over. The skill ceiling is too high on SAM for most of the player base. And that's a shame.

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Originally Posted by Elfidan

I mean I've already said it over and over. The skill ceiling is too high on SAM for most of the player base. And that's a shame.

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And the floor is way too low to use the LB.

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Originally Posted by Elfidan

I mean I've already said it over and over. The skill ceiling is too high on SAM for most of the player base. And that's a shame.

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No, they just have a meh skillset outside of their lb, anything sam does, the other melee jobs do better.

Whenever I see a sam I just think too myself, thank god it's not a monk, nin or drg.

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Originally Posted by Llynethil

No, they just have a meh skillset outside of their lb, anything sam does, the other melee jobs do better.

Whenever I see a sam I just think too myself, thank god it's not a monk, nin or drg.

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I'm torn between feeling bad/happy for you that you haven't encountered a good one yet then.

I mean you're not wrong Nikoto, but lots of the LB are like that. lol~

Good luck getting square to even think of rebalancing Rival wings when we can't even get them to make competent front line changes. Shame they throw away wasted potential that pvp has in this game. Dev's just don't seem to care or listen to feedback. CC is the only thing that matters in their eyes.

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Originally Posted by Archeron

Good luck getting square to even think of rebalancing Rival wings when we can't even get them to make competent front line changes. Shame they throw away wasted potential that pvp has in this game. Dev's just don't seem to care or listen to feedback. CC is the only thing that matters in their eyes.

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Live letter announced adjustments to LB generation and Dmg modifier for frontline. Though it is still doubtful if that includes Hidden Gorge, it may be they ignore it.

But good to see they finally took up on the many suggestions to do something more out of Hellhound weapons, they get a particle effect and hopefully you can spend your Series currency or wolf collars for them to upgrade them.

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Originally Posted by Elfidan

If a job is "neutered" without it's LB then you don't really know how to play it. The fact that post initial charge BLM always has LB running makes it a perfect poster child for the imbalance. BLM is really strong when you sequence correctly and don't go solo diving the enemy teams but when you have your LB up it basically negates the majority of the danger as you can free cast while chasing or retreating. Most people use their LB incorrectly anyway so it's kind of disingenuous to say it's central to play.

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This is RW, some jobs are extremely reliant on their lb to fill their niche, and they're significantly less menacing without it, to the point of what I said precisely because of how lb generation works.

And because of the smaller pool of players grinding the game mode, and it being more niche, there are many good people who use their LB to great effect, and they're very centralizing.