Euphrosyne feels a bit lacking

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

People thought the Nier raids were hard?

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Mostly they felt like the bosses had too much HP for what they did, so the fights dragged. That and the second boss in the Bunker, but that was mostly trolls aiming the stack laser at other parties.

Not really digging Euphrosyne, but I wasn't that thrilled by Aglaia either. The Twelve just aren't a very interesting topic to me, and the gear isn't my style, so running it feels more like an obligation than actually wanting to do it.

People suddenly realizing that FFXIV is actually an easy game?

And before anyone says Ivalice or Nier where harder, no. The mechanics were just as easy to follow as then.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Never found them difficult.



Some people are just really bad at reading mechanics.



People still stand under pillars today.

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You not having issues with those two bosses doesn't change the fact that a large part of the other 23 players did. Why do you think Construct 7's math mechanic turned into such a meme?

I don't really care about difficulty as much as I care about how Aglaia was way more creative and entertaining. Nophica's fight is also awful for the eyes.
Euphrosyne really feels like just another dungeon.

The mechanics are very much the standard thing we get in the game, the execution was probably a bit more demanding on Ivalice and Nier than what Euprhosyne has. Because overall, yeah, this one, new alliance raid is very, very easy.

Easier than normal. That's what people mean.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

You not having issues with those two bosses doesn't change the fact that a large part of the other 23 players did. Why do you think Construct 7's math mechanic turned into such a meme?

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Because people didn't read the information given to them?



Everything turns into memes these days. Basing things on whether or not it's Meme status is silly.

mostly the problem is that they've really undertuned boss health.
If they could get an HP bar buff and move faster on mechanics it might pick up.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

I agree, the Devs pay way too much attention to the complaining that happens on this forum in regards to difficulty. A lot of players don't want the game to be a punishing hell hole of wipes that makes uber casual people quit, me included. But we also don't want the game to be a snooze fest steam roll.

I highly enjoyed the Orbonne Monastery difficulty when it came out, and people were.... wait for it..... actually communicating and collaborating in chat to defeat the boss. What a novel concept in an MMO. unfortunately, the disadvantages that came with that is that the content was dead after it wasn't popular anymore because noone wanted to run it and risk wiping.

Maybe the solution to this problem is to make it difficult like Orbonne Monastery while the loot cap exists and the raid is current, and after the loot cap drops in the same patch give it a 20% echo that makes it a snoozefest, that way people won't mind running it for new players in the future.

Surely their design can standardize a 20 minute runtime for alliance raids on average with Echo tweaks so people don't cheat their way into CT all the time. But while its the hot item. Give us satisfying raids please.

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This is precisely where I'm at too. Even as someone who does all the high end content, I still enjoy a good chunk of the more casual stuff. 24 mans were always a highlight but since Shadowbringers, they've all been exceptionally easy. Their excuse with YorHa was they deliberately undertuned it because of potential players who were fans of those games but not necessarily experienced with MMOs. Admittedly, it's a pretty flimsy excuse considering by level 80, you'd expect people to have the basics down but c'est la vie. I and many others expected more of a return to Ivalice or Mhach but instead we seem to have gotten an even easier (or on par) 24 man series with the Twelve. While I do find the raids far and away better than YorHa, the lack of even the slightest difficulty really brings them down. I'm not looking for a wipe fest in casual content but I'd expect something above kindergartener level for the 24 man.

Once again, it just feels like Endwalker is doubling down even harder on making the game incredibly easy save for very few exceptions.

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Originally Posted by Simple_Barghest

mostly the problem is that they've really undertuned boss health.
If they could get an HP bar buff and move faster on mechanics it might pick up.

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While I agree, they don't really have the mechanical variance to justify too much of an HP increase. A bigger issue is the bosses spend WAY too much time showing off their gimmick before ramping up. Rhalgr had the same problem. By the time he finally starts mixing up his portal mechanic, he's well over half dead. Upping their HP would help but I also think they just need to add more mechanics and trim the "learning process" down. We shouldn't be waiting upwards of 50% of a boss' HP before they get going.

Even though a good group plows through them in no time, I still prefer it to the slugfest that was Nier raids with weaker groups, the bosses there took FOREVER.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Their excuse with YorHa was they deliberately undertuned it because of potential players who were fans of those games but not necessarily experienced with MMOs. Admittedly, it's a pretty flimsy excuse considering by level 80, you'd expect people to have the basics down but c'est la vie.

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