Thoughts on restricting ress more?

Weird thing to say, but this reminds me of Path of Exile where the developers admitted to balancing the super hard boss fights around the player being able to log out and save their character with no penalty. When you have the option to completely tap out of a fight and not go back to it, you have a greater luxury of making it hard so that the player returns more prepared and relatively unharmed (compared to if the character was in Hardcore mode and couldn't log out to safety, dying to the tough fight and losing the character forever).

Possibly the fights in FFXIV are balanced around being able to Resurrect and not caring about resurrect sickness, to a point. OFC it's not even like FFXIV allows this everywhere, like Baldesion Arsenal and Savage Criterion.

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Originally Posted by VictorSpoils

Rezzes are rarely enough to save a run in Unreal/Extreme/Savage. They're pretty fine elsewhere.

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I mean healing in casual content in general is slightly overpowered compared to the more difficult content out there. And that's to be expected. There's nothing really wrong with it.

Nope.

PUGs are not always great with the mechanics.

I have had several PUGs where more than 1 person has been one-shot because they failed at the mechanics. Happens a ton of Ultima Weapon. I don't think there is a one-shot there, but certainly times when you could die in 2 shots without the healer being able to get a heal off on you.

Me being able to res at least one of them means that we rarely fail at the fight. In PUG dungeons, I only ever drop the res when swiftcast is up. Don't have time for those 8-second reses. If the fight lasts long enough, the second person will get resed too.

If I had no res, the whole thing starts again.

I think a lot of non-healers fail to realise the amount of damage the players take. It isn't their concern, but one slip-up from anybody (especially the healer), and everybody is dead.

Most are, the one I replied to was not.

No I am fine with the way it is. I dont want to have to suffer who knows how many trys for normal content just because we wipe when someone dies. That just feels like a playground for toxic people. In really hard content a dead can already mess up the whole run and I see no reason why one should bring this to the casual content too.

And I you wanna have it harder just do the dungeon with NCPs. There you wipe if you die. I can tell you that even though I enjoy running it with NPCs it makes every mistake you do quite risky. I would not want to have that with randoms that unlike the npcs are not programmed to do the right thing.

I do play healer and also summoner. I’ve dragged quite a few parties across the finish line with ress after ress. DR pugs especially lol…

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Originally Posted by Conadrium

I do play healer and also summoner. I’ve dragged quite a few parties across the finish line with ress after ress. DR pugs especially lol…

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I've done this as well, even in some extreme fights. :) It's very satisfying (even though people can be ungrateful :rolleyes: )


It bothers me to think they've actually considered dropping raise from summoner.

We have similar feature in Delubrum Reginae Savage (bozja) and The Baldesion Arsenal (Eureka)

it's no fun i tell you

No bonusses in hard content, you are supposed to do the mechanics not just suicide in one of them and get revived.

There is FC boosts that lower that timer though, but the run is already over when people start dying.

I think it would make it to easy if people is not restricted heavy in Savage/Ex/Ulti content.

Besides raid ways today is not like the old days.. and even before wow where you had to encounter trashmobs and more and no skips between bosses like eg. it is in FFXIV Savage... they made Raids Ulimate Trials long story told short.

No, just no. Res doesn't really help that much in endgame raiding and it makes the game bearable for newbies and doesn't let you rely heavily on a player who might just burn the whole group down on his own if given the chance. For example if you couldn't resurrect players the tank just has to die and the whole dungeon boss fight well is a wipe, what if the tank never learns the fight properly? 3 people will suffer cause of this and spend probably 90min without clearing low tier content, the lowest of the low tier contents. And kicking the player isn't a really valid option since you could get well some forced vacation time for that, ToS be thanked...or cursed.

Maybe stop treating low tier content as if it has to be as hard as savage raiding. If you want unforgiving fights where you can't just rezz the whole group hundred times then well PLAY WHAT THE GAME ALREADY OFFERS YOU TO SATISFY THAT NEED OF YOURS, namely savage and ultimate and all that stuff even criterion. I will never get why certain people want to make literally EVERYTHING the same like there can't be any nuance to the game.

Tho i have to say, i also wish for more meaningful midcore content where things are a bit more punishing and healers have to actually heal. And that also having some sort of gear progression tied to it, like i wished that Criterion gave you a slightly worse itemlevel gear than what savage raiders get. So people have actually a way to fight for a piece of better gear that doesn't come from just always savage. Which would also solve the gearing your alt jobs problems that is atm a really hot topic.