Paladins Invuln Capping in Onsal Hakkar

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Originally Posted by Gserpent

10 sec of invuln isn't enough time to run up to a node from outside of attack range and capture it.

If your team is letting them that close to the node *before* engaging them, you have a different problem you should focus on rectifying first, before complaining about some dumb cheese.

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Nice try attempting to move the goal posts to avoid the issue. In many cases you don't even need to pop your invuln before even getting to the node with how tanky paladin is. Even if you would have to pop invuln beforehand, you can still take a beating on the way to the node before going invuln and get about 4 seconds of invuln travel time to get to the node and start capping to abuse this nonsense because of how long the invuln is and how short the cap time is comparatively.

It's very obviously unintended and unbalanced design, very likely because SE seems to have put in virtually no effort into trying to balance any of the pvp changes for Frontlines. It's honestly pretty laughable that anyone would actually attempt to defend this as being 'intended and balanced', unless of course they're trying to cover for their own abuse of it, or they're just trying to be contrarian.

This is "working as intended" according to a bug report on JP forums.
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/463109

does this mean that 10 paladins covering eachother and then one using invuln could direct 10 people of damage to one invunrable person?

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Originally Posted by BluCross

This is "working as intended" according to a bug report on JP forums.
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/463109

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But it's "accepted bugs" on EN Forum
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-making-claims

:(

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Originally Posted by Xylira

Nice try attempting to move the goal posts to avoid the issue. In many cases you don't even need to pop your invuln before even getting to the node with how tanky paladin is. Even if you would have to pop invuln beforehand, you can still take a beating on the way to the node before going invuln and get about 4 seconds of invuln travel time to get to the node and start capping to abuse this nonsense because of how long the invuln is and how short the cap time is comparatively.

It's very obviously unintended and unbalanced design, very likely because SE seems to have put in virtually no effort into trying to balance any of the pvp changes for Frontlines. It's honestly pretty laughable that anyone would actually attempt to defend this as being 'intended and balanced', unless of course they're trying to cover for their own abuse of it, or they're just trying to be contrarian.

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That isn't moving the goalposts, it is directly responding to your claims. You may want to look up the precise definition of "moving the goalposts," because you misunderstand it.

If your team is letting a PLD, or even a pair of PLD, just walk up to the node without CC chaining them, pushing them back, slowing them, or otherwise killing them... that's on you, dude. If you force them to pop invuln 40 yards out, they won't have enough invuln left to cap the point before you can stun them again.

It is a problem, but not one nearly to the magnitude you portray it as. As with so many complaints here, there's a lot of PEBKAC stuff that needs to be addressed.

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Originally Posted by Mandudez

Found the person who exploits glitches and makes up excuses to justify it.

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Ignore Gserpent. He doesn't know how to play and thinks everything is perfectly balanced.

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Originally Posted by AnnRam

Garbage design.

DRK / PLD in pvp are pure cancer seriously, how you can give them 10 seconds of immunity? There is actually 0 counter play to it unlike before the rework where SMN could delete their barriers.

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There's a lot of stuff right now that has little to no counter play to them and its pretty annoying. Hopefully they make some heavy changes in 6.2

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Originally Posted by AnnRam

Garbage design.

DRK / PLD in pvp are pure cancer seriously, how you can give them 10 seconds of immunity? There is actually 0 counter play to it unlike before the rework where SMN could delete their barriers.

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These 2 jobs has no real damage.
They are now the tank job.
Unlike 5.0 where PLD is a mobile cannon that can easily kill any jobs, they are now just a damage absorb.

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Originally Posted by Gserpent

If your team is letting a PLD, or even a pair of PLD, just walk up to the node without CC chaining them, pushing them back, slowing them, or otherwise killing them... that's on you, dude. If you force them to pop invuln 40 yards out, they won't have enough invuln left to cap the point before you can stun them again.

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You're trying to defend this terrible design claiming that it can be stopped, I've never claimed that it can't be stopped, in fact I have stopped it before. The issue that I and many other players have with this 'tactic' is that it's far too easy to make an attempt to abuse guardian this way and have it pay off, compared to the amount of effort needed to counter it by opposing players. Yes, it's possible for a team to be hyper vigilant and keep watch for any paladins and immediately try to focus them down, or to break their guard with a limit break if you have the right class around with their limit break available. But that still doesn't mean that paladins don't still have an unreasonable advantage specifically in Onsal Hakkar with the way their abilities work.

Or let me put it another way... playing in Onsal Hakkar matches against one or more paladins trying to abuse guardian to cap nodes isn't fun. Rather than focusing on the overall match and flow of battle, I feel like I have to hang back as a warrior or monk with my LB and CC up, scanning around for said paladins trying to abuse guardian, so I can attempt to disrupt them from stealing a cap out from under my team. It's irritating and boring gameplay having to specifically focus on countering guardian node capping.

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Originally Posted by Xylira

You're trying to defend this terrible design claiming that it can be stopped, I've never claimed that it can't be stopped, in fact I have stopped it before. The issue that I and many other players have with this 'tactic' is that it's far too easy to make an attempt to abuse guardian this way and have it pay off, compared to the amount of effort needed to counter it by opposing players. Yes, it's possible for a team to be hyper vigilant and keep watch for any paladins and immediately try to focus them down, or to break their guard with a limit break if you have the right class around with their limit break available. But that still doesn't mean that paladins don't still have an unreasonable advantage specifically in Onsal Hakkar with the way their abilities work.

Or let me put it another way... playing in Onsal Hakkar matches against one or more paladins trying to abuse guardian to cap nodes isn't fun. Rather than focusing on the overall match and flow of battle, I feel like I have to hang back as a warrior or monk with my LB and CC up, scanning around for said paladins trying to abuse guardian, so I can attempt to disrupt them from stealing a cap out from under my team. It's irritating and boring gameplay having to specifically focus on countering guardian node capping.

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Where am I defending it? What is it with you people and thinking in binary terms? I've literally said, multiple times, that it needs to be fixed and changed.

But I'm not interested in pointless whining or caterwauling over things that *do* have solutions. They are not ideal solutions and they are not a replacement for SE getting off their asses and fixing the actual problem, but there *is* counter-play available to this tactic.

You and the others like you need to learn to slow down and actually process what you're reading and responding to, *before* composing a response. If you can't or won't do that, then maybe a discussion board isn't the place for you.

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Originally Posted by Xylira

It's very obviously unintended and unbalanced design

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It is literally the same interaction it had for years when Cover was in PvP before it got taken out :p