Worst housing system in history

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Originally Posted by SilverSp

i highly doubt its less than 98% im not sure but im not going to be surprised if its around 90-98% of playerbase who are excluded from the housing. Before you type something make sure you have proffered of what your saying.

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Since you demand others to provide proof of what they type I'd like to see you do the same. You claim 95% of the player base is left out of housing, please cite sources.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

I have to disagree with this system being a decent system when it’s difficult for even half of the playerbase to have access to it for…reasons. And the developers keep putting bandaid after bandaid on this ward system, but they’re slowing finding out that nothing they do to preserve the wards will really make the issues go away. I think at this point they’re operating more off of sunk cost fallacy than anything else. A combination of wards + instanced housing seems like a decent middle ground for people that want the ward/neighborhood feeling while also allowing everyone to have access to the feature should they desire it. And, clearly, the desire for housing in this game is fairly high.

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Go play wow then, if you think that is better, 30 to 50% of all houses is never or rarely used.

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Originally Posted by SilverSp

Thats why i said "im not sure" and "i wouldnt be surprised if" statements. Read it again i never certified data. Read the statement again and try harder next time . no date was certified and no statement was attested it was said in "probability "

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Show proof then.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Go play wow then, if you think that is better, 30 to 50% of all houses is never or rarely used.

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I swear, this has become the Godwin's Law equivalent for MMOs. Criticise anything about another MMO in the genre and you'll inevitably have someone scream, "Go play WoW!!!" when they have no argument worth making.

The hilarious irony here is WoW doesn't even have a housing system because it largely doesn't appeal towards aesthetics. Meanwhile, MMOs like Black Desert, which has a substantially smaller budget, has a vastly better housing system. And guess what? Their entire playerbase can access it! What a novel concept.

Perhaps, instead, of dismissing valid criticism, we demand better from FFXIV?

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

I swear, this has become the Godwin's Law equivalent for MMOs. Criticise anything about another MMO in the genre and you'll inevitably have someone scream, "Go play WoW!!!" when they have no argument worth making.

The hilarious irony here is WoW doesn't even have a housing system because it largely doesn't appeal towards aesthetics. Meanwhile, MMOs like Black Desert, which has a substantially smaller budget, has a vastly better housing system. And guess what? Their entire playerbase can access it! What a novel concept.

Perhaps, instead, of dismissing valid criticism, we demand better from FFXIV?

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Fanboys and girls have tunnel vision. It makes me smile :)

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

I swear, this has become the Godwin's Law equivalent for MMOs. Criticise anything about another MMO in the genre and you'll inevitably have someone scream, "Go play WoW!!!" when they have no argument worth making.

The hilarious irony here is WoW doesn't even have a housing system because it largely doesn't appeal towards aesthetics. Meanwhile, MMOs like Black Desert, which has a substantially smaller budget, has a vastly better housing system. And guess what? Their entire playerbase can access it! What a novel concept.

Perhaps, instead, of dismissing valid criticism, we demand better from FFXIV?

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If you don't like the how houses work in FFXIV, then play a game that matches your need and requirements, also alot of actually unused property right now, and I am not speaking of all the plots free in Ishgaard, if personal housign is a severe need you could play the sims or something on the side of playing FFXIV to satisfy your needs, as for the game itself, no you don't need a house and if all of what you want to do is about having one, then you hit such a little unimportant fraction of the game.

The only obstacle is how to get a house, as for the amount of houses I don't really want anymore wards I rather want the current areas expanded much further in size making each ward 3x as big or something, with more features around as well instead.

Houses would be more worthwhile, if there was actual things to do with them and around them, such as various activities, most wards any server is most of the time dead empty for people.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

If you don't like the how houses work in FFXIV, then play a game that matches your need and requirements, also alot of actually unused property right now, and I am not speaking of all the plots free in Ishgaard, if personal housign is a severe need you could play the sims or something on the side of playing FFXIV to satisfy your needs, as for the game itself, no you don't need a house and if all of what you want to do is about having one, then you hit such a little unimportant fraction of the game.

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Once again, you are invoking the MMO equivalent of Godwin's Law instead of acknowledging a flawed system and demanding better from a game who advertises a feature the vast majority of players can't interact with. In fact, take the housing limitations and apply them to any other piece of content. Imagine if Savage was the only way to achieve max ilvl for each respective even patch cycle. After all, you don't need ilvl 600 right now to do any content besides Savage itself or Ultimate. People want it. Just like they want a house. If I wanted to play the Sims, I would. I prefer FFXIV but am not going to white knight an objectively terrible system.

For reference sake, I already own a house. None of these issue apply to me. It doesn't change how poorly designed housing is in FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Houses would be more worthwhile, if there was actual things to do with them and around them, such as various activities, most wards any server is most of the time dead empty for people.

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Earlier you said FFXIV's neighborhood system was "pretty good" yet now you're acknowledging the wards are essentially ghost towns. The problem with adding "actual things to do" is they're entirely restricted to only a small portion of the playerbase as those without a house can't interact with them. Put simply, you've just shown yet another reason the neighborhood, in its current state, is flawed. It cannot be expanded upon feature wise without alienating even more players, thus the wards remain dead, defeating entire point of having a neighborhood to begin with.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Once again, you are invoking the MMO equivalent of Godwin's Law instead of acknowledging a flawed system and demanding better from a game who advertises a feature the vast majority of players can't interact with. In fact, take the housing limitations and apply them to any other piece of content. Imagine if Savage was the only way to achieve max ilvl for each respective even patch cycle. After all, you don't need ilvl 600 right now to do any content besides Savage itself or Ultimate. People want it. Just like they want a house. If I wanted to play the Sims, I would. I prefer FFXIV but am not going to white knight an objectively terrible system.

For reference sake, I already own a house. None of these issue apply to me. It doesn't change how poorly designed housing is in FFXIV.



Earlier you said FFXIV's neighborhood system was "pretty good" yet now you're acknowledging the wards are essentially ghost towns. The problem with adding "actual things to do" is they're entirely restricted to only a small portion of the playerbase as those without a house can't interact with them. Put simply, you've just shown yet another reason the neighborhood, in its current state, is flawed. It cannot be expanded upon feature wise without alienating even more players, thus the wards remain dead, defeating entire point of having a neighborhood to begin with.

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Not really, there is MMOs out there that has supreme housing, however very old, but still very good.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Go play wow then, if you think that is better, 30 to 50% of all houses is never or rarely used.

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Weird how you claim that 30-50% of housing in WoW is never used when WoW has no housing. Can't use what doesn't exist.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Not really, there is MMOs out there that has supreme housing, however very old, but still very good.

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It's also mainly instanced. Very few MMOs have gone with a non-instanced system and none of those have been very good in practice, ending up with many of the same problems we have here.

I don't know why you're so attached to this system when so many of the complaints you make are a result of it not being fully instanced.

Some of you "housers" might enjoy SwtOR. They give you 4x individual fortresses to decorate separately instanced. Only pain was their terribad placement squares you were hindered by. I played for 5 yrs and was reasonably pleased. Oh, WoW does not have housing.